"well Texas is growing like crazy and NY is shrinking. What does that tell
ya?"Texas has an economy based on oil, and New York
doesn't? Just maybe?"Liberalsim DESTROYS Capitalism
"Um... liberalism and capitalism are not antonyms. You can have
both.... and both exist in a lot of places doing just fine. You can be pro
women's rights, and conservative on spending. You can be for better mass
transit, and still be for free trade. You can be pro gay rights, and own a shop
that is very capitalist. This crazy notion that people who
aren't deeply "conservative" are also any capital is bizarre. Some
of the wealthiest business people on this earth liver very "liberal"
life styles.Lets not confuse social values with economics. Being
very sensitive to the needs of the poor or minorities doesn't mean one
doesn't want to make as much as they can while working. The two have
absolutely nothing to do with each other. It like trying to make
the association that being a conservative means low government spending.....
history has shown us that is far from the truth as well.
Just speaking for myself, when I retire I intend to move to a state with lower
taxes. If I had more family in Utah, I'd probably stay.
@Patriot. What do you think will happen to Texas when all those liberals move
there because the companies moved there?Rick Perry is going to turn
Utah is a fairly highly taxed state (ranked 28th best by the Tax Foundation) but
we wouldn't dream of moving to a lower tax state like Arizona (ranked #2),
just for tax purposes. (although we may move out of Salt Lake Valley to find
cleaner air!)We wouldn't even move from our retirement place in
Kanab right across the boarder to Fredonia to pay lower taxes!Public
services require adequate funding, and as long as we feel that Utah government
is well run, would never move for tax reasons.Maybe things are
different in the Forbes 400 crowd, but I don't know of even one person
moving to lower their taxes!
re:Schneefirst of all Texas is NOT Mississippi or Alabama and the
education in Texas is light years ahead of ether state. Get your facts straight.
Second I don't think this discussion had anything at all to do about
insurance ...did it?? People are LEAVING the liberal stink holes of NY and LA
and other north eastern liberal run cites with their GIGANTIC TAXES and they are
indeed MOVING to Texas and the Dakotas and yes Utah because they can actually
start up a business or run an existing business without the state government
taking ALL their profits via taxation. This is a FACT!!! The governor of Texas
was actually in California recruiting business's to leave and come join the
prosperity of Texas. you liberals just HATE to face the facts that
people are leaving your HIGH-TAX states in record numbers. Liberalsim DESTROYS
Capitalism . You can keep your social welfare and phony fairness along with your
record unemployment numbers and your record food stamp numbers. We
don't want or need them!! We know that FREEDOM from taxation ALWAYS
produces prosperity from the lowest class to the upper class. A rising tide
@patriotTexas also has the highest rate of uninsured people in the nation
so it sure isn't creating many high quality jobs since those usually come
with employer healthcare. Education is pretty awful in the south, as are their
highest in the nation poverty rates (Mississippi, Alabama being 1 and 2).
I would never move to Texas. I do not care if they were giving money away. On another note, one has to be aware that no state income tax does not
necessarily mean an over all less tax burden. The property tax on a house like
mine in Texas would have an 8k property tax bill vs the $1800 I have in Utah.
Truth... ok, lets look at France. France per capita has a higher immigration
rate than does the US. California, with its high taxes, is still one of the top
fastest grown states as measured in immigration to the state and GDP growth.
What has changed in Texas is some to do with taxes, but more to do
with growth in the energy sector. The Dakota's exploding population growth
is not due to low taxes, its because of jobs. The city I live in North Carolina
has some of the highest taxes in the state, and has the highest growth rate of
jobs in the state.Extracting out a singular variable and trying to
extrapolate that it is the sole driver behind any event shows a high level of
either ignorance or unprofessionalism. In fact, For example France's
population has nearly doubled in the last 50 years - just slightly slower than
the US growth rate as a percentage. Not the narrative talk radio wants... but
one supported by numbers, not political rhetoric.
Tax rates are a very visible factor, but they are also indicative of the overall
climate of a state. Those which tax heavily usually have many other
disincentives for living there, as well as restrictions on economic and personal
freedom.But, among the very wealthy, which usually means very hard
working people, taxes are indeed a major consideration.
Although we spent most of our professional lives in California, we left the
very day we retired, and high taxes and burdensome regulations were a large part
of our decision to relocate. Years ago, a friend of mine moved his entire
business to Utah, even though his entire client base was in California.
He'd done the math, and could pay shipping for his goods and airfare for
employees easily out of cost savings. One of our sons turned down a much-needed
job because the employer demanded he create a Nevada address. The Nevada company
just couldn't make it paying California Worker's Compensation
Insurance rates for even one employee.
If low taxes caused people to move, then why are there so few people in Wyoming,
Alaska, and Nevada? none of those states have a state income tax.In
fact, Wyoming is the least populous state in the Union.Jobs cause
people to move.If Corporations relocate because of low taxes, than
people will follow, but low individual income taxes don't seem to make
According to Orzag, I'm not what he would consider "most" people.
Last year I was offered a promotion that I turned down. Why? Because the job was
near the DC beltway in MD. My other choice was to return to Utah. I picked Utah.
My pay would have been $15K more per year in a place that has really high taxes
and cost of living. I went to the Kaiser Foundation website to read data on what
tax rates were and other areas that affect quality of life. Sure I would have
made $50K more money after taxes after 4 years, but all of it would have gone to
a much higher cost of living. Taxes were higher and so was everything else. I
didn't hesitate turning down that offer. Others have since
asked me about moving to Montgomery, AL. When I was last there in 2007, that
city had a 10% sales tax. Whoa! Get this, if you're retired military with
1% VA disability rating, your kids go to state universities for FREE!!!! Heck
no. People can pay for their own kids like me. Taxes mean something. If the
author is right, then the US is done.
Sure, by this reasoning, you guys will love Somalia.
well Texas is growing like crazy and NY is shrinking. What does that tell ya?
No Lower taxes don't make people move......its the HIGHER taxes that make
people move.....just look at France!