Lots of studies, polls and opinions out there.The key is finding the
one that gives you your desired results and proclaim it as fact.No sense
in questioning a study that tells us what we already know (or think we do)
Interesting. This article goes to great pains to point out possible problems
with the 2009 study, but simply states the findings of the new study as if there
could be no questions about the data or data sources, the methodology or
interpretation. I'm a blogger. I could check a few online
sources and declare I've done a study and start publishing my conclusions.
And, if you like my conclusions you can dismiss the other studies and imply I
must be right.
Found a loophole out of that one, eh?
One "research study" says Utah has high porn use and this new study
contradicts that study completely! What does all this prove? Most studies
conducted by people and organizations with an axe to grind or a political agenda
are not worth the paper they are printed on! Dishonest and manipulated
"science" is rampant!
"Edelman’s research focused solely on paid pornography subscriptions,
rather than on pornography usage as a whole."Probably
that's the key difference which is why I don't think it's
necessarily the case that one of the two numbers must necessarily be wrong. They
just measure different things and the only errors come from someone not
adequately portraying the context of the rankings.
There is so much free porn available on the net, it surprises me that hardly
anyone pays for it. Utahns are known for getting good value for their money so
The 'fact' that Utah would be the highest in paid porn viewing would
be out of character and a bit surprising.
Regardless -- For a State you breaks it's arm patting itself on
the back for being dead last in having the number of smokers, drinkers,
gamblers, and coffee drinkers -- being #4 out of 5 is still nothing
to crow or write home about...
So suddenly conservatives trust in polls and surveys now? Where's this
trust in science when it comes to issues such as evolution, global warming, and
Stormwalker... as one who lives in the world of so called "analytics", I
agree with you. Refuting a 5 year old study is about as worth while as
rewarming a grilled cheese sandwich.... you can do it, but why. The one thing
I do have to give credit to is that the person who did this study also published
their data - and I have already downloaded it. Not looked at it yet, too little
time... but peer review is a great way of learning more and validation. So
kudos.... even if I don't totally agree with the conclusions or the
validity. But maybe....
I wonder if the libs who have jumped all over the 2009 study will now equally
support this new one.But that wouldn't fit their agenda I'm not personally against porn in moderation and use by adults.
I just find the flip flopping if those who were certain the 2009
study was right now won't believe the study. Flip flop. Flip
I note that neither study has a way of separating out LDS from non-LDS cohorts.
If this could be determined it would tell a more accurate tale of reality.
@ LDS Liberterian, DN is reporting, not "crowing". However,
some Utahans will certainly crow over this and perhaps even use it to dismiss
the other study. However, being in the bottom 80% (meaning only 20%
of states use less) is something to crow about if you thought you had the
highest usage. If you were the worst player on a basketball team with 10
players. Then suddenly one day out of the blue that you are the third best on
the team. You would be happy. It's a matter of "improvement".
" . . .those Utahns who do consume pornography are more likely to pay for
it than users in other states."Well, you get what you pay
for.Porn connoisseurs, far more discerning than the average porn
consumer, would not be happy with just any old free pornography that anyone can
The bigger question is why at all. First one could arguer that porn is simply
attractive and accessible. But I would suggest the question goes farther than
this. The issue is why does Utah have a problem at all.First I
would suggest it may have to do with the cultural view of sex. This create
certain expectations and cultural norms. However people have desires and
expectations of their own outside the puritan norms. When these are not met
people - men - turn to other outlets (Porn). I would ask the
question also if men in this state feel that their spouses met their basic
sexual needs or wants. I wonder if that number correlates to anything
interesting.I am not blaming women - just asking how our culture
adds to the question of why - if it does at all. Nad maybe blaming them a
little if they are not helping the situation - we have all seen that. But some
guys are just not satisfied too.It might also be what we report as
porn - to some the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue is porn. Monogamy is Gods gift - how we treat each other is our gift to one another.
Folks, please read the article and not just the headline. According to the new
study, Utah is in the bottom 20% for internet porn use. That means that 80% of
states have more porn use per capital than Utah.
@Christopher B - not quit sure why this is a partisan issue.... can you help
me out here? Particularly in that in both studies Idaho and Utah (Both states
dominated by LDS folk) flip flop places. One study looks at paid content,
another looks at page views. Neither paint necessarily an issue that
isn't a problem. Both states have issue... its just how they consume the
product. Hence why the first presidency has been all over his issue every
conference.Moral transgression is something that happens to
conservatives and liberals alike. Wish as you may that this somehow fit into
some political profile, in the real world it is an issue whether you vote red or
blue. Politics has infested even the most nuanced corners of our
daily lives, and it is a total shame.
The earlier study was skewed by a national hotel ISP based in Utah that used to
run all hotel traffic from all over the US through Utah assigned numbers. In
the same way I can sit in my house VPN into my office and supposedly I'm
surfing from Massachusetts. The earlier study was not accurate. That
isn't to say that Utah doesn't have a problem with pornography, but it
is likely equivalent to most other parts of the country. Also, number of clicks
doesn't necessarily equate to those with a problem. If you've ever
gotten a charge on your Visa that you didn't authorize, your computer
through a virus may have been doing some surfing that you didn't see.
In the end it doesn't really matter. Pornography addiction is a tragedy on
an individual basis. Who cares if the percentage is slightly higher in Utah or
slightly lower, if it is a close friend or family member who is hooked it is a
problem. I've seen people loose their jobs because they couldn't use
a computer without being sidetracked by pornography. Is being 40th good? It is
not good enough, even the state in 50th place still has too many people hooked.
nicholdraperWest Jordan, UTThe earlier study was skewed by a
national hotel ISP based in Utah that used to run all hotel traffic from all
over the US through Utah assigned numbers.--- OK, then: just reminds
us that mormon-owned hotel companies profit from porn, liquor, and gambling with
impunity.Also, mormon-owned hotel companies back Gay rights, because
hotel work is very heavily a Gay profession, and not backing their rights would
cost them employees.It all speaks the idea that nothing is a sin if
it happens to non-mormons, and mormons make money from it
Yea, we have a study that shows that the people of Utah are cheap when it comes
to porn.How about we spend more time fighting the problem than
studying it. Porn is bad regardless of how much you pay for it.
Where Utah falls on the porn usage map is still in question. I noted that
Ricardo Carvalho, for instance, completely dismisses the earlier study. Many
will completely dismiss the new study. However, since Utah is largely LDS, and
the LDS Church has actually stated that they have a big problem with pornography
use among their membership, that still says a lot.Whichever study
you accept, and the reality is probably somewhere in the middle, Utah still has
a pornography problem. Utah clearly has a hypocrisy problem as well
when you take into account comments like those from Chris B., who is okay with
some porn usage but against gay marriage because it's a "moral"
Attempts to try and attack or discredit the Church step on each others'
toes. After "Utah ranks last in reading the Bible", there's not
much room to take data, studies, or claims that "Utah is in the top ten
porn-viewing states".Besides, there's quite a sizeable
anti-Mormon population there as well.
Years ago the University of Utah's student newspaper would point out that
Utah had an out of control teen pregnancy rate. It later came out that the
number of illegitimate births in Utah was 1/4 the national average.So whenever I hear statistics that used to show that Utah has problems, like
more suicides, etc. I think of the statistics about teenage pregnancy and I take
it with a grain of salt.
hope they did not break this down by county.. I would hate to see how the Beaver