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  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    Oct. 16, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    "Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in 2015?"

    Well, yeah. Why is that even a question?

  • Westy Sheboygan, WI Sheboygan, WI
    Oct. 13, 2014 12:54 a.m.

    I guess it depends on how badly BYU wants to get beat. I am a BYU alumni. They have a nice football program, but they cannot compete with Alabama. They lost to Central Florida this week. I know that the injuries have been awful and unfortunate. I do not understand why they thought that being an independent was the way to go.

    I saw them play Wisconsin last year. UW beat them easily and UW is not an elite team, though they are pretty good.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Oct. 5, 2014 1:25 a.m.

    Heck yes I would love to see a seventy to ten beat down by the "Y".

  • Boy of Fall Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 2, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    @KH
    "Utah will continue playing in the 2nd best conference in the nation, only behind the SEC." If Utah wasnt in the conference it would probably be the best conference in college football...quit holding the pac 12 back! Its not fair to them.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    Sept. 29, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Hill will be a Sr. and it would be good for his Heisman hopes if byu beats them at Alabama...he won't win it this year. Weak schedule. Would watch that one, though. Utah grad, but we beat them, why not byu, so they can brag, too.

  • Keith Of Utah Roy, UT
    Sept. 29, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    It's obvious we'd play them if at all possible, home and home would be the best scenario. If we could play an SEC team, go for it! It's that simple, you play who you can play from a power five any time you can. That will help recruiting and it will help our case for being considered a top power five opponent as an independent, especially if we are beating these teams on a consistent basis. Anyone who thought any different would be crazy. BYU is a program that is on the rise and deserves to be considered a power 5 opponent and if it wins those games and has that kind of schedule every year, then we will be invited to the Big XII and we will become the program we want BYU football to become. You are right, it's a no brainer.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 24, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    Oh how I would love to see this happen. Bama would win by 40 points.

  • owesley Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    As a cougar fan I would love to see a game versus the Tide. However there are multiple problems: Huge ones at that.
    First. It is not a neutral site with neutral or so-called "non-power 5" officials. Like what Utah enjoyed. No, this game is at home for The Tide, with SEC officials guaranteeing an Alabama victory. And, if that wasn't enough, after watching the first 4 games of the season this year and knowing that it is clearly the worst officiating in the history of College football, it would be a boring boring game to watch. Every play for a loss for Alabama would result in a PF against BYU. Every play over five yards by BYU would be called back for a phantom holding call. Every failed long bomb by Alabama would be a First and 10 after an equally phantom like PI penalty.

    Nope. Sorry, but that game can't happen in Tuscaloosa. If ESPN would arrange the game and put it in Dallas with Big 10 Officials, then that would be a fabulous game to attend!!

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Sept. 24, 2014 8:47 p.m.

    "If Alabama is going to play any non-conference teams in the heat of SEC play, it's going to be a FCS cupcake team."

    BYU in November it is.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 5, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    @2Fer,

    Utah is stuck playing AZ, AZ St. Colorado, USC and UCLA each year. All those teams are on the rise currently. While I believe Utah is getting better too, its not keeping up with the neighbors.

    Utah has a very slim shot at bowling. They must win 3-4 conference games. Colorado currently is a toss up. USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Arizona State are all likely losses. Some years Utah will beat Cal, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona and Stanford (which they match up well with at home). I only see them bowling about thirty percent of the time right now.

    I am looking forward to seeing a SWAC team. While I prefer Grambling Savannah State will do fine. This is the last chance probably to see such a program.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    June 3, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    BYU had a bigger history than Utah from about the 1970s to around 2000.

    Utah owned BYU before the 1970s and since 2001 is 9-3 against BYU, including the last four games.

    Utah's ONE bowl game brought in more money for the team than BYU's THREE bowl games. Combined.

    Not to mention that Pac 12 membership the money is spread around too. That means a bigger budget towards athletics and improving their research facility in medicine among other things.

    But if you really want history, here you go:

    Number of January bowl games: Utah 2 BYU 1

    All time series: Utah 57 BYU 34 Ties 4

    While BYU has more top 25 finishes than Utah and by a long shot, the vast majority of those were in the LaVell Edwards era though Roscoe has had a few good seasons, though nothing special as their repeated losses to top tier competition have been disappointing.

    Remember, Whittingham WAS BYU's first option before Bronco. Whittingham decided to go to Utah instead. We are happy to have him.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    2fer

    "Well that's the great thing about being a fan; hope springs eternal. Utah had two bad years,..."

    More like two good years and over a hundred years of mediocre to bad seasons.

    You can count Utah's 11+ win, Top 25 teams on two fingers, and with only one more finger, you can count Utah's Top 25 ranked conference champions.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 3, 2014 7:47 p.m.

    Mexican,

    "Utah is the only program with a future."

    Two losing seasons with a tougher schedule than last year is having a future? How about we analyze the present before discussing the future. One team can't make a bowl and the other hasn't missed a bowl since 2005. Some future to look forward to for a certain team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    @ backpacn

    Well that's the great thing about being a fan; hope springs eternal. Utah had two bad years, but it isn't a death sentence like BYU fans are making it out to be. Washington was horrible from 2004-2009. They won 1, 2, 5, 4, 0, and 5 wins respectively in each of those seasons. But they managed to recover and have been to bowl the past four seasons, and won their bowl game with authority in 2013. Once the coaching and QB carousel settles down Utah will be a respectable player in the PAC-12. They're probably not going to be perennial contenders, but being an upper half team with an outside shot of winning conference every 4-6 years is possible.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    Money is not the only incentive to being in a conference. Bowl tie-ins and schedule stability are both HUGE incentives. I would say that those two things are what BYU fans complain about the most since BYU went independent. Not to mention, if you lose a game, the season isn't over. You can still compete for the conf. title, or at least a good position in conference to earn a berth in a good bowl.

    If BYU was in the Big 12, I doubt many Coug fans would be bored watching OU, Texas, Baylor, etc. roll through Provo. Also, I don't understand your point about playing new teams being fun. Savannah St. is new, but I can guarantee you that it will not be a fun game. Playing CSU late in November with conf. implications on the line would be infinitely better, IMO.

    Weber has the same chance of hosting BYU in Ogden, as BYU does of bringing the Tide into Provo. A neutral site game would be more likely, but even then I doubt Alabama would be willing to match up with BYU. Alabama only plays neutral site games against P5 (former BCS) teams.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 3, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    @Mexican Ute

    The future of the Ute program is likely going to be similar to the past.

    The Utes will always be at a recruiting disadvantage in their league due to the lack of an ocean/tradition/lifestyle that top recruits want.

    The Utes will likely not make a bowl.

    They will always changing either a head coach, Offensive or Defensive coordinator yearly.

    The Utes fans will always flock to the Y message board to remind us that they once beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and Pitt in the Fiesta. (and the Y fans 1984 Championship and Detmer's Heisman)

    The Utes will be a tough game at home (thank you altitude) and will be an easier game on the road.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 3, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    @2fer

    I am a bit older BYU fan. Back in the early nineties when I attended the Y the groundswell for independence was already started. It was the ideal dream. BYU wasn't ready and independence nearly crushed USU around that time so it was time to make the MWC. With the realignment and the need to own the rights to rebroadcast games BYU finally did the right thing. Sure many would like to be in the Big 12 or PAC 12. I am not one of them. I get bored of the same old teams coming in no matter who the program is. There is little incentive in being stuck in a league besides money.

    I love seeing teams from all over the country play BYU. I really don't care who BYU is playing if its someone new.

    In regards to Alabama, they still owe us a return trip they chickened out of after the close call last time BYU played them. I want a neutral site game in Texas in an NFL stadium with Bama. I think that BYU should schedule two neutral site big games a year and only play teams willing to come to Provo.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    June 3, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    One of my friends, a Ute fan, told me this:

    BYU is the only program with a history. Utah is the only program with a future.

    Go Utes!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 3, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    2fer

    "But when (not if) Utah does put together another great season they will be playing for national titles."

    Don't hold your breath. A program that only has 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes isn't likely to have flash-in-the-pan great seasons very often. Arizona was a MUCH better program in the WAC and the Wildcats have yet to play in a Rose Bowl after more than 30 years in the PAC.

    It's laughable that you talk about the "benefits of being in a P5 conference" when U haven't even been good enough to qualify for a bowl in two of your three seasons in the PAC.

    Playing a better schedule doesn't mean much if you don't win.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 12:39 a.m.

    @ backpacn

    Utah and BYU had the same number of MWC championships. However, I agree with the majority of your post. Utah doesn't have a great history of accomplishments on the national scale. But when (not if) Utah does put together another great season they will be playing for national titles. Nobody will admit it, but Utah is the only team in this state with the potential to do so. One of the benefits of being in a P5 conference....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 12:34 a.m.

    @ Rockwell

    I did define competitive. Utah has been "in" the vast majority of conf. games played so far. As in, not very many blow outs. Hopefully Utah will get over the hump this year.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 2, 2014 6:40 p.m.

    Yes, yes, and yes again.

    We should definitely schedule Alabama and do it now before we miss the boat.

    When we are out of the (mid major) catagory, we can afford to negotiate and make sure
    that we have a good deal or at least a fair deal in (back to back) or (home and away)
    arrangements.

    We are not yet considered a significant team when compared to the teams of the Big 5 conference. I suggest that playing as many Big 5 teams as possible, win or lose, and as few mid major teams as possible and no teams below the mid major level, this is the activity that
    will cause the college football world to start thinking of us as a major.

    If that means that we have to travel away in order to get a Big 5 conference team on our schedule, than so be it.

    We need to stop bickering and get the job done. Schedule now. Turn off the computer and make that call.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 2, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    Should not even be a question. Look at this schedule! BYU also plays E Carolina, UConn, Cincinnati and Fresno. I would rather see BYU play a mammoth schedule than schedule Western Maine.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 2, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    2fer

    Operative word "was".

    Utah was only up for only a couple of brief periods, 2003-2004 and 2008-2009.

    Other than that, Utah's entire football history is one of middle to bottom of the conference mediocrity in the WAC/MWC or simply being less mediocre than the extremely mediocre teams of the Skyline/RMC.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 2, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    2fer

    "Utah was met with a huge jump in competition after switching conferences, but at least the Utes were competitive."

    Define competitive.

    Only under the crimson bubble on the hill would they consider 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 competitive.

    With a gift-wrapped PAC South there for the taking, U couldn't even beat a 10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years on your home field - and that was in your best season.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    4-8 Utah St. was a horrible team. They were blown out by SDSU, Boise, and Fresno.... and the Aggies were also blown out by Nevada, Hawaii, and IDAHO (in Logan). They were not similar to Utah at all. The Aggies played in the WAC, like they had for the previous 13 years, and they had a SR. QB playing. Utah was met with a huge jump in competition after switching conferences, but at least the Utes were competitive. The blowouts have been few are far in-between. The 2010 Aggies got blown out nearly every time they stepped on the field. There is no comparison between the two; except that they beat BYU.

    Cal was a top 10 team, ten years ago. WSU was in the Rose bowl in 2001. CU was a national champion in the 90's. Just because Utah is down now, doesn't mean they will be forever.

    You are in the extreme minority if you would choose the PAC-12 over Indy. BYU created their own party while the rest of the country labeled the Cougars a mid-major program and left them out of the P5.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 2, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    @UtePAc

    That 4-8 USU loss wasn't to a bad team. They were very similar to the Utes program these past two years albeit with less experience under their belt. They lost to some very good teams (Boise State, SDSU and Fresno). They should have beat Oklahoma on the road though.

    Its far more embarrassing to lose to Colorado at home when a trip to the PAC championship was on the line (a team that hadn't won a conference road in three years) than it is to lose to Virginia on the road to start the season. The stakes are much different. You are also ignoring the the Utes lost to EVERY team in the MWC under Whit.

    Yep, the Utes are at the party in the PAC12; however they are sitting at the kiddie table with Cal, Washington State and Colorado all looking at the big boys USC, Washington, Stanford and Oregon. That isn't about to change.

    If I had to choose between the PAC12 and Indy, I would stick to Indy at this point. Its simply better to CREATE your own party than to go to someone else's or to let others define who you are.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 2, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    U-PAC

    "tickets to Ute game these days are 5 times-plus more expensive than at LES"

    Laughing out loud at your crimson-clouded delusion.

    Season Ticket Prices (not including donations to the Cougar or Crimson club)
    LES - $110 to $750
    RES - $130 to $475

    And let's not forget, Utah gives football tickets to its students; BYU students have to pay $190 ($300 guest) for Reserved and $125 ($180 guest) for General Admission ROC Passes.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    u-pac

    "After Utah curtailed the annual rivalry a few years ago, Tom Holmoe begged Dr. Hill and he agreed to schedule BYU for one game in 2016 at RES."

    That's an outright fabrication! (I'd use a stronger word, but the DN screeners wouldn't allow it.)

    BYU never has and never will agree to a 2 for 1 with Utah.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    u-pac

    "Even Utah has gifted games to BYU on a 2 for 1 deal..... 2016-17-18 is all."

    Silly Utah, the last series scheduled ended with the 2013 game in Provo and the 2016 game in SLC. The 2017 and 2018 were the latest editions to the series.

    BYU will NEVER agree to a 2-1 with the Utes, unless its 2 games in spacious LES, for 1 game in tiny LES.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 2, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    sammyg,
    How many "warm-up games" does byu have before they play in their meaningless bowl.

    And what's your insight on why holmoe chickened out of playing Alabama?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 2, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    I think it's funny that the term "warm-up game" is now the new Ute PC phrase for 'padding my schedule game'.

    I wonder what Idaho State fans call their games against Div. 1 teams?

    Obviously one team is putting it on the line and the other is well... just looking to get closer to maybe a snowball's chance to get a third tier bowl game as the 7th placeholder.

    Wow

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:07 a.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    Bronco lost to SDSU in 2005, and a 4-win Utah St. in 2010. Bad losses happen to everybody.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 2, 2014 12:04 a.m.

    @ mussingaround

    I agree with you. 2008 was a lot of fun, but it doesn't mean a thing when our team takes the field this summer. I can guarantee you that I have never claimed anything different. However, I do think Utah is getting better, despite the W/L record. The schedule has been brutal, and Utah hasn't had the horses to compete week in and week out. I'm optimistic that the Utes will be able to put it together in the next year or two.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 1, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    @2Fer,

    Granted Virginia was a bad team that the Cougars had no business losing to. I could point out the flood in the visitors tunnel or that the Cougars were playing two time zones away that made the game more difficult. The fact is the Cougars should never have lost that one; however it was the first such bad loss under the Mendehall era. Whittingham has a history replete with inexplicable losses while the lone loss is very unlikely to be duplicated.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 1, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    2fer

    What Utah did in 2008, with completely different players, in a completely different conference, is also completely irrelevant to Utah's team today, yet Utah fans like U somehow think that 2008 somehow proves that the Utes can be competitive in a big boy conference...

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7 says otherwise.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    @ mussingaround

    What Utah did in 2006, with completely different players, in a completely different conference some how effects their team today? Nice logic. CU was a bad loss, but that happens to every program. Alabama lost to UL-Montroe in 2007, could the Tide also lose to anybody on BYU's schedule.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 1, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    To the multiple posters on here pointing finger at WAZZU, they should re-think their position. Last season WAZZU outplayed Auburn in Auburn down to the wire before narrowly losing. They also beat USC in L.A. When has byu ever beat USC? They concluded the regular season 6-6 against what was ranked at the time the #1 SOS in the nation.

    I get that byu fan avoids SOS like the scourge because it literally destroys his illusion of byu football's standing in relation to the big boys, yet it's entirely 100% relevant. Just ask those in charge of our brand-new playoff-format of its import.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    June 1, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    BYU should schedule Bama. Try to get the game as bad as you can, using any means possible.

    Doesn't mean they will win. Bama will run roughshod over them, probably beating them by at least four touchdowns.

    The Sagarin stat is telling, that a Utah team that didn't even make it to a bowl game, still ranked above an 8 win BYU team (who got curb stomped by Washington in their bowl game btw).

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 1, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    2fer

    Considering Utah has lost to 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado, as well as New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and Washington State, the Utes have proven that they're capable of losing to anybody on BYU's schedule.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    "Washington State and Colorado, teams BYU would never lose to......."

    That's a bold claim considering what happened in Virginia last year.....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    Playing one warm-up game before conference is not the same as padding over half the schedule with teams like UNLV, UNR, MTSU, Savannah St, Cal, UCONN, and Virginia.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 1, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    @ Cosmo1974

    Sagarin ratings 2013

    34- Utah (SOS 3)
    35- BYU (SOS 38)

    How's that for an obscure stat?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 1, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    IF BYU can get a home and home take the game and schedule it the second to last game of the season when the tradition rich SEC schedules the Weber State and Idaho States their conference. If not BYU/ESPN should argue for a neutral site game in Texas.

    In the event of not getting the game, BYU should look to get a one and done. Maybe invite Wyoming since we finished the series in Laramie. I wouldn't mind seeing a top of the league MAC team like Northern Illinois.

    As for ALL the Utah comments, Utah needs to take care of itself. Its going to be a VERY tough year with only Idaho State as a guarantee win. Washington State and Colorado, teams BYU would never lose to are toss ups for Utah. We all believe that Utah isn't going to win more games than last year, so if they can manage to get to a bowl the state should give the team a parade.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    May 31, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    All of the utes SOS talk is ridiculous.

    Do they play a tougher schedule than BYU? Of course they do, but they act like losing your games against a tough schedule makes you some kind of juggernaut.

    Guess what? I could throw some 2A High School team into the Pac-12 and they could miss bowl appearances just as easily as utah.

    I know that utah is far better than a 2A High School, as the HS would finish 0-12, but I'm just making the point that your schedule does nothing if you don't win games.

    Also, the utes have their fair share of easy opponents this year. Idaho St, Fresno St, Wash. St, Colorado. I'm not calling their overall schedule easy, but it's not the 12 game mine field that they try to make it sound like.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    May 31, 2014 8:39 p.m.

    Two For Flinching
    Salt Lake City, UT

    @ sammyg

    Accusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is just silly. Utah probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the country. But you knew that.

    He knows it, He's just having a real hard dealing with the direction his team is taking.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 31, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    2fer

    So what do you call it? All the more reason to pad a schedule huh?

    Utes had a choice to schedule Idaho State and probably several other teams but chose them. We know by sad experience that the Utes will probably always be on the bubble to win 4 out of 9 conference games.

    Getting an easy win is pretty critical now isn't it?

    So I get a little tired of hearing U guys accusing BYU of choosing to have a soft schedule to get a bowl game. It is what it is. U guys on the other hand are really desperate to get in by any means now.

    Now if you really want to talk about padding a schedule would you like to talk basketball?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 31, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    "That April game does count. It was an unusual time to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game."

    They agreed to a scrimmage, nothing more.

    ----------------

    "Really? Is that all you got? Utah has more conference championships and you have to down play it."

    He's just stating the facts, which obviously show that the vast majority of Utah's conference championships don't even come close to comparing to a WAC, MWC or PAC championship.

    Utah fans are already beating their chests about how much more meaningful a PAC championship would be, versus a WAC or MWC championship.

    The difference between a Skyline / Rocky Mountain Conference championship and a WAC / MWC championship is even greater.

    From 1936, when the AP poll was started, to 1962, when the WAC was founded, Utah won 10 conference championships. NONE of those teams was ranked or played in a bowl.

    Why?

    Because, winning the RMC or Skyline championship was so inconsequential, that no one outside of the Rocky Mountain area even noticed.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    May 31, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    They should try and do a home and home. It kinda sucks that that most the big games are away games and not quite fair. They should try and do it anyway. We could get creamed, or like at Oklahoma come away with a win. Even if we lost to Bama by a couple touchdowns it wouild show we could play with them at BYU.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    May 31, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    Clark,

    If you are talking strictly in terms of head-to-head matchups, then yes, Utah has been the better team. But most of the rest of the country consider the overall record at the end of the season, SOS, Sagarin rankings, etc. as indicators of which team is better. So if you use those criteria, BYU is the better team. And I'm sure you or one of your fellow "fans" will come up with some obscure stat in an attempt to prove Utah is the OVERALL better team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 31, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    Accusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is just silly. Utah probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the country. But you knew that.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 31, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    CO Ute

    "both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So does that make them good teams?"

    Not necessarily, but with over 70 teams qualifying for bowls, playing in a bowl should at least be the minimum standard for being considered "good" regardless of schedule and conference.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 31, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    CO Ute,

    If you are happy playing Northern Colorado, Idaho State and similar teams in order to generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is you call. Didn't work, did it?

    How about Colorado, Cal, and Washington State? Soft teams, and still no bowl game.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 31, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    Haven't commented about this article yet. Looking at all the comments it would be easy to get sucked into the back and forth same ole same ole but I won't bite...besides, as COUte pointed out it's all the same drivel anyway.

    BYU should work out a deal with one of the lesser teams on their schedule to swap a home and home arrangement and schedule Bama. If you want to be considered a P5 program you have to step up and play P5 opponents whenever the opportunity presents itself. Looking at the schedule, there are other P5 programs with openings as well. Time to put your money where your mouth is BYU...no excuses, schedule them.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 31, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    @ Lonestar Runner

    That April game does count. It was an unusual time to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game. So the game counts and the series was tied 3-3 in the 1890's. So I'm correct! It shouldn't matter to BYU fans anyway since they don't count their games played when they were known BYA.

    @ Broken Truth Machine

    "Not all conference champions are created equal"

    Really? Is that all you got? Utah has more conference championships and you have to down play it. It's just like saying BYU's national success was built upon playing weak sauce teams in the WAC.

    What's the difference between the WAC and the Rocky Mountain Conference? Many of the WAC members were former members of the Mountain States Conference. Utah dominated the Mountain States Conference like BYU dominated the WAC.

    I guess it just ruins BYU's argument that they don't have more conference championships than Utah.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 31, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    CO Ute

    If you're happy criticizing BYU for playing Idaho State when scheduling options were limited as an independent newcomer, I'm ok with that.

    Well, well, well, look who's playing who on Aug 28th at RES... The mighty Idaho State Bengals.

    I guess when you're looking at another miserable 2-7 conference season like last year it's really important to pad your schedule to desperately hope for a miracle's chance of being bowl eligible, huh?

    That's ok right? But for BYU to just get ANY game to fill out its independent schedule at the last moment, it's not?

    You hug and cherish that Idaho State win as it will become one of just 4-5 'signature' wins the Utes will have in 2014 as a 'prestigious PAC12 member'.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    Actually, 3-2 is correct.

    Utah padded their record by counting a spring scrimmage as an actual game. Seriously, only the Utes would be so desperate as to count a spring scrimmage as a real game. Look it up!

    Utah had no meaningful success on a national scale in their first 99 seasons of football.

    Prior to 2003, not a single Utah team had won a conference championship and finished in the AP Top 25 in the same season.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    "Total Conference Championships: Utah 24, BYU 23"

    Not all conference champions are created equal.

    Of BYU's 23 conference champions
    19 (82%) won 8 or more games
    19 (82%) played in a bowl
    14 (61%) were ranked in the AP Top 25

    Of Utah's 24 conference champions
    9 (38%) won 8 or more games
    5 (21%) played in a bowl
    3 (13%) were ranked in the AP Top 25

    It speaks volumes about insignificance of the vast majority of Utah's conference championship teams when only THREE of them were good enough to be ranked and only FIVE of them played in a bowl, NONE before 1964.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    @ Lonestar Runner

    "BYA won the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU didn't start playing football until 1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU didn't have a single 4-year player until 1925"

    Actually that is incorrect! Utah and BYA tied their series in the 1890's 3-3. Look it up!

    Like I said, BYU's greatest success was in the WAC from 1972-1998. Can't dispute that! But Utah still owns the rivalry 57-34-4. Can't dispute that either!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 30, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    One quick one for Worf - both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So does that make them good teams? Spin your way out of that question.

    If you are happy playing Idaho, Idaho State and similar teams in order to generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is you call.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 30, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Another article on college football (regardless of the team being Y or U) and the same old comments. We are better than you are. I sometimes wonder if many of the posters even read the article. Ignoring all the petty bickering ...

    Of course BYU should try to schedule this game. Yes it would mean only 5 home games that year which is a legitimate concern but what an opportunity. The thought that it would make the schedule too difficult, to me, is a terrible excuse. Teams in good conferences play 6 to 10 difficult games every year, something the Y has never done. Take the game with Alabama and see if you can compete with teams like Nebraska, Michigan, and Alabama to offset the other games against teams like UNLV and several other teams the Y should beat handily. I can't imagine any true Cougar fan is excited about their schedule this year. Playing a couple of big name teams every year, along with a handful of less competitive P5 teams, and half the games against MWC (or similar) teams isn't big time football.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 30, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold,

    Schedule envy?

    Excuses are a sign of weakness.

    You're barking up the wrong tree.

    If you can't bowl, you're not very good. Period! Can't spin your way out of it.

    Byu has it, and the utes don't.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 8:48 p.m.

    @BlueCoug
    Orem, UT

    Uteology

    It's laughable that you have to invalidate everything BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some imaginary "BCS" line of demarcation just to help you sleep at night.

    -----------

    It's laughable that you think the BCS era was imaginary.

    I think Edwards and Chow were greats, they accomplished a lot at BYU. But that doesn't take away form the fact that during the last 16 years BYU only has Quest t-shirts and Airport Celebrations to show as accomplishments. No major wins, no major bowl wins, nothing.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 8:30 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    Again, Kyle Wittingham (Utah) and Gary Paterson (TCU) had the top two most wins as mid-major coaches against BCS teams, including PAC-12 and Big 12 teams.

    Now, Bronco has a better record then both those coaches vs PAC-12 and Big 12 opponents. But Bronco still has a losing record against P5 teams overall, including 8 straight loses to both Kyle and Gary.

    TCU and Boise build "a resume worthy of national championship consideration" yet they still couldn't get into the national title game. In fact, the best mid-major team ever under BCS rules was the 2008 Utah team (16 AP votes).

    Regardless, forget Utah or TCU. I am still waiting for you to post BYU's BCS Resume.

  • portlander Arlington, WA
    May 30, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    Two things. Yes BYU should play 'Bama if it has the opportunity. BYU could get great exposure as a tough, willing independent school on the same level as a Notre Dame.

    Also, except for the fact that the roles are reversed, Ute fans remind of Duck fans. Neither one can stay off of the others blog "turf" trying to muddy the face of their main rival.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 6:08 p.m.

    In 1964, Utah won their first WAC championship and played in the Liberty Bowl.

    In 1965, BYU beat Utah for only the third time and won their first conference championship.

    By the time Utah won their second WAC championship, in 1995,

    BYU had won a National Championship, SEVENTEEN WAC championships, a Heisman Trophy, had played in NINETEEN bowl games, had finished in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN times, and had beaten Utah 22 of 30 times.

    Utah didn't play in a single bowl game from 1965 to 1991, and didn't crack the AP Top 25 until 1994.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but Utah's period of head-to-head domination ended when BYU and Utah joined the WAC.

    On a significant achievement level, Utah didn't have a single conference winning, AP Top 25 season until 2003.

    It's easy to see why BYU fans don't think much of Utah's pre-2003 "accomplishments" - there weren't any.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 5:42 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    "Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4 including a whopping 39-5-4 record between 1922-1971."

    BYA won the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU didn't start playing football until 1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU didn't have a single 4-year player until 1925.

    Then from 1943 to 1945, BYU suspended their football program because of WWII, while Utah kept right on playing. So once again, in 1946, BYU was starting over from scratch, while Utah had been playing continually since 1894.

    Add to that, the fact that 22 of the first 31 games were played at Utah, because BYU devoted so few funds to football that BYU didn't even have their own football field, and it's easy to see why Utah "dominated the series from 1922 to 1961.

    The BYU got serious about football, build a stadium, joined with Utah to help create the WAC, and the two programs went in opposite directions:

  • Proud Ute ,
    May 30, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule

    pocatello, ID

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

    * BYU has bowl games--Utes non
    * BYU has more national exposure

    Surprised you're bring national exposure up.....starting with your bowl game humiliation to being declared pretty much a non-entity by the major conferences to now your very public NCAA problems is that what you want to crow about?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 30, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

    * BYU has bowl games--Utes non
    * BYU has more national exposure

    That's it! Everything else are excuses!

    _________

    More wishful thinking from a Coug.
    Since when does national exposure make you a better team? National exposure has brought more losses against ranked teams.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    Griswold,

    "One plays a weak sauce schedule and gets to bowl eligibility."

    An SOS in the top 1/3 of the country is not "weak sauce" but you keep telling yourself that.

    "the other (team) stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show."

    I can understand them enjoying the show since it's getting pretty comfortable sitting on that couch. And we all know they have the same spot reserved for this year's holidays!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    @ BlueCoug

    "Since 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18 of 20 from 1972 to 1991.
    Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has owned the series 29-23"

    It's kind of sad that BYU fans resort to selective stats to make their argument. Why not trace the rivalry back to it's beginnings in 1896 or 1922? I already know the answer to that. BYU can only trace their success back to 1972. Before then BYU was irrelevant!

    Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4 including a whopping 39-5-4 record between 1922-1971.
    Since Utah joined the PAC-12 and BYU went Independent, Utah is a perfect 3-0 against BYU.

    Total Conference Championships:
    Utah 24
    BYU 23

    It's quite obvious who has owned who in the history of this rivalry.

  • xam Provo, UT
    May 30, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    @phoenix
    There's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past rankings.

    Did BYU beat any teams that finished the year ranked during that "legacy" period? It's quite possible that Utah beat as many ranked team in 1996 (3) and 2008 (4) as BYU has beat in their entire football history.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2014 2:43 p.m.

    MyPerspective,

    My my, you make it seem you're privy to the goings on. The only thing BYU has to do is say "yes" and Alabama's on the schedule for 2015? I guess no one ever taught you what happens when you assume...

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    @ worf

    "One goes bowling, and the other not good enough. Can't win more then half their games"

    One plays a weak sauce schedule and gets to bowl eligibility. The other plays one of the toughest schedules in college football and does not get to bowl eligibility.

    One team goes to a bowl game and gets humiliated on national TV and the other stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show.

    BYU last year proved that they can't beat anyone good on their schedule. The Washington loss was the nail in the coffin.

    It's just that simple!

  • vancougarfan Brush Prairie, WA
    May 30, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    Yeah schedule the game already! Especially with the new NCAA bowl design, it's the closest to a shot at a national championship BYU will get. (Playing a team that consistently competes for the national championship.) While the odds are definitely not in our favor, hey upsets happen every year! Odds were against Utah when they beat Alabama in 08-09. I watched that game and it was awesome! Utah has earned its football reputation by winning big games. You can't beat the big boys unless you play them! Here's hoping it gets scheduled! Go BYU!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    Nope. For weeks the cougar faithful, supported by the local media, have complained about being "snubbed" as they were relegated to mid-major status by the SEC. Plenty of comments declared that the SEC wouldn't schedule byu because they were afraid of losing.

    Well, here we are. Alabama needs a game with a mid-major opponent (any mid-major opponent) and the cougs claim they belong in the P5. It's time to either step up or shut up.

    My guess is that the cougs will not step up but the talk will continue unabated.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 30, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    Since 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18 of 20 from 1972 to 1991.
    Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has owned the series 29-23.

    WAC/MWC Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    It's quite obvious who has owned who in the last half century.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 30, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable that you have to invalidate everything BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some imaginary "BCS" line of demarcation just to help you sleep at night.

    Especially convenient, that you chose to leave out 1996, when BYU finished 14-1, ranked #5/#5, with a win in the Cotton Bowl, the domino that set in motion the events that made it possible for Utah to play in a BCS game in 2004.

    As far as "BCS" accomplishments go, let me help you complete this particular statement:

    BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish [during the BCS era] than Utah [has during their entire football history].

    "62% of Bronco's total wins were against teams with a losing record (which explains 11+ wins and no major wins)"

    LOL at your self-serving, delusional spin.

    2006 BYU(11-2) SOS #74, Utah(8-5) SOS #73; BYU stomped Oregon 38-8
    2007 BYU(11-2) SOS #59, Utah(9-4) SOS #60; BYU beat UCLA 17-16
    2009 BYU(11-2) SOS #61, Utah(10-3) SOS #75; BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon St 42-20

    If BYU's schedule was so "easy" in 2006, 2007, and 2009, why didn't Utah, with similar schedules, have 11+ wins?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 30, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold,

    It's not a fluke. I can flip a coin and come up with 4 straight heads or tails.

    No excuses!

    One goes bowling, and the other not good enough. Can't win more then half their games.

    Just that simple.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    As far as building a resume worthy of national championship consideration goes, please explain how three consecutive unranked seasons, from 2005 to 2007, built momentum for a national championship run for Utah in 2008.

    Utah started 2008 coming off an unranked, 2007 season in which the Utes were shut out 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV and narrowly escaped finishing the season on a two-game losing streak by pulling off a narrow win over Navy(8-5) 38-35 in their bowl game.

    Utah wasn't even on the national championship radar when 2008 began and wasn't ranked as high as #8 until November 9th.

    In 1984, BYU was already ranked #8 by September 11th.

    Whether BYU would have been included in a BCS championship game if one had existed in 1984 is pure speculation, but any fan who claims that the team that finished the season ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls wouldn't have been given VERY SERIOUS consideration for the BCS championship game simply isn't being honest.

    Utah, on the other hand, finished 6th in the final BCS standings, completely out of the picture as far as the BCS championship game was concerned.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 30, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    MyPerspective
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Alabama needs a game. Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the cream of a P5 conference would be just too tough."

    Not scared to play Texas, not scared to play Notre Dame, not scared to play Wisconsin, not even scared to play Utah, but scared to play Alabama?

    Right...

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Alabama needs a game. Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the cream of a P5 conference would be just too tough.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable how you're to use the same one season accomplishment in a multitude of ways just the hide that fact that Kyle was nothing but a one hit wonder.

    Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams, with wins over UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Washington St, Oregon St, Arizona, and Utah.

    Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams, and after three full seasons in the PAC 12, Kyle still hasn't beaten Oregon or Washington.

    Bronco's teams have played in nine straight bowl games, including 2005, when Bronco was rebuilding the program decimated by Crowton.

    Kyle's teams have only played in seven bowl games.

    Bronco has FOUR consecutive AP Top 25 finishes.

    The Utes have never had more than TWO consecutive AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    @ worf

    Usually the team that wins the head-to-head match up is the better team.

    Utah is better than BYU because:

    4 in a row
    9 of the last 12
    57-34-4

    That is not a one time fluke! That is a trend of Utah consistently beating up on little brother BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    @phoenix

    There was no AP top 25 poll in 1984, but if you want to count "others receiving votes" then AF was tied with Notre Dame: #24 Air Force 26, #24 Notre Dame 26. So AF finished tied for #24.

    Avg winning margin:
    2004 Utah - 25 points
    1984 BYU - 21 points

    Opponents Win-Lose:
    Utah 61-76 (45%)
    BYU 66-85 (42%)

    Closes Games:
    Utah - +14 AF
    BYU - +3 Pit (3-9), +5 Hawaii, +3 Wyoming, +5 AF, +7 Utah, +7 Michagon

    Conclusion, the 1984 BYU team nor the 2004 Utah team deserved the national title. Utah and TCU playing in a P5 conference has proven how difficult it is to play a real schedule. BYU fans have had a taste of it as well (2003, 2004, and 2013).

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 30, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    You all can cherry pick the stats to make yourself feel good if you like. The only facts that matter are this:

    Utah - IN
    byU - OUT

    Thanks, and have a nice day

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    @ sammyg

    That's fine because I never accused anybody of being jealous. Begs the question, what's your point?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 30, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    If Alabama does not ask byU to play them, will DN get a "guest" columnist to write that the reason Alabama did not ask byU is that they were afraid?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 30, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

    * BYU has bowl games--Utes non
    * BYU has more national exposure

    That's it! Everything else are excuses!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    "As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!"

    Who's hiding behind LaVell Edwards' accomplishments.

    Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle

    ------------

    That's your BCS Resume?

    BYU's BCS Resume (revised):

    * Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle
    * No undefeated seasons in the BCS era
    * No BCS bowls
    * No BCS Bowl wins
    * No top 10 finishes (Utah 2, TCU 4)
    * Losing record against BCS teams
    * Losing record against top-mid majors (3-9 vs. Utah, 2-5 vs. TCU, and 1-3 vs. Boise)
    * Losing record against PAC-12 teams in the BCS era (12-14)
    * 62% of Bronco's total wins were against teams with a losing record (which explains 11+ wins and no major wins)

  • Lacadoodle LAS VEGAS, NV
    May 30, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Who cares if they lose to all three! Michigan, Alabama, and Nebraska! Exposure would be great and there would be excitement in those games. Recruits would be interested. As an independent exposure and big game opponents is about all BYU can sell to recruits (no conference championship, no P5 BCS access really).

    DO IT!!! And just as Utah State or UNLV to come to Provo and then return the favor two years at their place in a row.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    @giantfan
    Farmington, UT

    Uteology,

    I'm confused. Couldn't you say the same thing about all fans hiding behind the accomplishments of the coaches and players of the teams that they root for? And we're not just talking about Lavell Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here. How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does the entire Ute Football history have compared to Bronco? We can go top-25 finishes next, if you'd like.

    --------------

    Bronco Quested for what Kyle did twice, that's all you need to know about the two coaches.

    During the current era that just ended, BCS era:

    * BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish than Utah
    * ZERO top 5 finishes
    * ZERO undefeated seasons
    * ZERO major bowl wins (6-6 overall in bowls)
    * Losing record against Utah, TCU, and Boise
    * Losing record against P5 teams while playing a mid-major schedule
    * Producing lesser talent according to the NFL

    Did I miss something? This is where your program is TODAY and ONLY when you have to go back to the early 90s does that change.

    No one cares what you did in 30 years ago, for details contact ACC, SEC, and the NFL.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Uteology

    "As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!"

    Who's hiding behind LaVell Edwards' accomplishments.

    Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win, Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    In fact, Bronco has MORE 11+ Win, Top 25 Finishes (THREE), than Utah has in their entire history (TWO).

    That's all in addition to what LaVell Edwards accomplished.

    Unlike Utah, BYU's national caliber football resume began before 2004.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    @phoenix

    Boise and TCU had MULTIPLE years of top 10 finishes, both never sniffed a national title game. Your 1984 team would have made a BCS game and most likely got THUMPED, much like the 2007 Hawaii team.

    No one cares, specially the ACC and SEC, about what you did in the 70s and 80s, just like no one cares about Yale's football history. Your BCS resume speaks for itself.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 30, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    This is much ado about nothing. byU will not be playing Bama in 2015, although I really think they should. They're one and only shot at any type of a decent bowl game will be gone on week one, so why not make some money at Bama. They will end up in the exact same bowl game if they lost to Alabama also, so give it a shot.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    xam

    There's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past rankings.

    The fact that BYU was ranked in both polls is proof enough that they deserved to be ranked.

    Show me a season where Utah deserved to be ranked, but wasn't.

    btw, Utah's BCS busting 2004 team, didn't play a single ranked team during the regular season, in fact, the Utes only played three opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5.

    And, Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent finished LOWER in the final AP poll, #25, than BYU's 1984 regular season opponent, Air Force, which finished #24 in the final AP poll.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    @Johnny Triumph

    This has been debated over and over. There was no BCS in 1996. The rule that kept mid-majors out was broken by Utah broke in 2004. That's why Utah is known as the Original BCS Buster.

    The rules for non-AQ teams was the same in 2004 as it was in 1998. The rule changed after the 2005 season, from the requirement of being a top 6 to a top 12 when a 5th BCS game was added:

    “Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane (12-0, No. 10 in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a shot. Utah did break through, finishing sixth in 2004."

    -- Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports)

    Notice BYU's 1996 season wasn't even mentioned.

    @Uteanymous: "Still waiting for your power conference resume."

    Why? You can't do your own research?

    Utah's P5 Resume:

    * 2011 SOS #49 8-5
    * 2012 SOS #41 5-7
    * 2013 SOS #3 5-7

    BYU's "slightly similar" MWC schedule:

    * 2003 SOS #14 4-8
    * 2004 SOS #11 5-6
    * 2013 SOS #38 8-5

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    Uteology,

    I'm confused. Couldn't you say the same thing about all fans hiding behind the accomplishments of the coaches and players of the teams that they root for? And we're not just talking about Lavell Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here. How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does the entire Ute Football history have compared to Bronco? We can go top-25 finishes next, if you'd like.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 30, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    Uteology

    The glaring omission in your analysis is your inability to consider the context in which seasons are judged.

    BYU's 1984 #104 ... 13-0
    Utah's 2008 #56 ... 13-0

    BYU didn't just appear on the national scene out of nowhere in 1984. The Cougars had been building a national championship caliber resume since 1979.

    1979 (11-1) #13/#12
    1980 (12-1) #12/#11
    1981 (11-2) #13/#11
    1982 (8-4) unranked
    1983 (11-1) #7/#7
    1984 (13-0) #1/#1

    66-9 overall record, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, SIX conference champions, and 24 straight wins is what BYU's 1984 National Championship was built on, NOT a #104 SOS

    Compare that to Utah 2008

    2003 (10-2) #21/#21
    2004 (12-0) #4/#5
    2005 (7-5) unranked
    2006 (8-5) unranked
    2007 (9-4) unranked
    2008 (13-0) #2/#4

    59-16 overall record, TWO Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, THREE conference champions, and 14 straight wins, is what Utah's failed national championship dream was built on, NOT Utah's #56 SOS

    BYU also had an endless succession of Heisman Trophy contending quarterbacks - Wilson, McMahon, Young and Bosco.

    Utah had Alex Smith and overachieving Brian Johnson.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    MyPerspective,

    Oh the irony of first lambasting "lame" comments and then following that up with one of your own. "Maybe Provo High is available in 2015". That's rich.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    As usual, you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of actual results.

    Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO seasons long.

    BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR DECADES long.

    -------------
    As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    @ Rose Bowl call yet?

    What does this stat tell you?

    4 in a row
    9 of the last 12
    57-34-4

    Head to head Utah OWNS BYU!

    The stats you provided are irrelevant to what Utah has done to BYU over the years.

    Your a typical BYU fan that hides behind other teams that beat Utah because your team can't get the job done. The PAC-12 has been tough for Utah, but it won't last forever. Eventually Utah will start winning and getting back to bowl games.

  • xam Provo, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    ND95CA, The question was, from the list below what teams did BYU beat that finished the season ranked. All impressive legacies have impressive wins.

    1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
    1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
    1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
    1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
    1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
    1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
    1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
    2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    Good grief, these comments are lame. So...back to the topic.

    Alabama has an opening on their schedule and literally looking for someone / anyone to fill the vacancy but Holmoe is too scared to step up to the plate. It's certainly easier for byu fans to talk like they can beat any team in the nation and talk like they belong in the P5 than it is to stand tall and actually take on one of the giants.

    byu doesn't belong. Never has...never will. Maybe Provo High is available in 2015. They'll fit in with the rest of byu's schedule just fine.

  • lixircat Indianapolis, IN
    May 30, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    If we really want the national respect we claim we deserve, then we should not even flinch at playing Michigan, Nebraska, and Alabama. Any Big 10 team who schedules Alabama would have a similar, if not even tougher schedule. If you want a shot at a playoff spot, you accept this schedule.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Uteology

    Still waiting for your power conference resume.

    Other than your flash-in-the-pan 2004 and 2008 seasons, what season-long accomplishments on a national scale has Utah had that prove that Utah deserves to be in a power conference.

    Don't give me upset wins like Appalachian State over Michigan. Don't give me cumulative wins over mediocre teams that happen to be in power conferences.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    Clark

    What does this stat tell you?

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7

    It tells you that a team with only two 11+ win, Top 25 seasons doesn't belong in a P5 conference.

    You couldn't even win the PAC South when every other team in the division, except ineligible USC, finished with losing records.

    With the other teams improving, Utah's fate as a perennial, bottom-dwelling, bowl less team is sealed.

    It's time to stop pretending that you're anything more than shark bait for the big boys of the conference.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    May 30, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    xam

    It's hilarious how Utah fans beat their chests about every P5 team Utah beats, and then claim that BYU's wins versus Texas and Oklahoma don't count as "quality" wins.

    What's even more laughable is Utah fans using rankings to measure "quality" opponents, and then claiming that the rankings invalid when it's BYU who's ranked.

    Utah fans seem to struggle with the concept that its where YOU finish, not where your OPPONENTS finish, that matters.

    Nobody cares if you pull off an occasional upset, like Utah versus Stanford in 2013, if you're not good enough to be ranked or qualify for a bowl.

    Bottom line is this:

    11+ Win, Top 25 Seasons

    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
    1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
    1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
    1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
    1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
    1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
    1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
    2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
    2004 Utah(12-0) #4/#5
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

    BYU was ranked using the exact same criteria used for every other team.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    @Uteology - you forget that the 1996 BYU team paved the way for BCS busting. Or maybe you've forgotten all the mess with the Cotton Bowl team that finished #5 and should have been in the BCS. That year helped forge the rules changes to the BCS that allowed for inclusion of previously excluded teams. And while it was great going to the Cotton Bowl it was no BCS game.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Still not the same as playing in a P5 conference."

    More labels and hyperbole.

    BYU played much tougher schedules in the MWC in 2003 and 2004, than Utah played in the PAC in 2011 and 2012.

    Bowls, SOS and AP ranked opponents
    2003 BYU(4-8) #14 (#1, #16, #21) - no bowl
    2004 BYU(5-6) #11 (#1, #5, #12) - no bowl
    2011 Utah(8-5) #49 (#6) - BOWL
    2012 BYU(8-5) #63 (#18, #16, #20, #4, #21) - BOWL
    2012 Utah(5-7) #41 (#16, #20) - no bowl
    2013 BYU(8-5) #38 (#22, #20, #25) - BOWL
    2013 Utah(5-7) #3 (#14, #10, #19, #5) - no bowl

    Notice that BYU played a tougher schedule with more ranked teams in 2013, than Utah played in 2012, yet BYU still qualified for a bowl.

    Bowl Games after Playing a Top 40 Schedule
    BYU 1 of 3
    Utah 0 of 1

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    I honestly think that if BYU played Bama the Cougs would lose by 5+ touchdowns, and that's being generous.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Yes, I believe BYU can hang with Bama. 1998 Bama might have been a different team but what's not to say the 2015 version will match up with the recent past? Saying that is like saying the 1998 team should have rolled BYU because of the Bear Bryant days. Get real, teams change, players change, and anything is possible. If BYU doesn't take chances then what is gained? Utah took a chance on the PAC12 and it's been a tough learning curve; but they made the move. Does Utah's success in the 2000s translate to immediate success in the PAC12? Obviously not. Does it mean Utah will remain at the bottom of the conference forever? Certainly not. Why should BYU be any different? If BYU is not shooting for the top then why even sponsor football?

    So please don't tell me BYU shouldn't do this based on Bama's recent history.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    May 30, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    BYU football is in trouble. They are dealing with NCAA violations, they have been declared irrelevant by the ACC and they are aren't doing anything to get to the elite level (new coach?)
    Why would Alabama want to schedule them?
    Holmoe has the toughest job in athletics.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    Uteology

    And how many OC's have the Utes gone thru?

    Bwaaaaaaaaaah!

    Ute memory is a selective thing.

    And just so you know... I wasn't thinking pink slips for OCs.

    Next level up please... and the fans will call for it... "Mark it down"

  • xam Provo, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    What quality teams did BYU beat during the seasons listed below? Teams that actually finished the season ranked. 3-7-1 Pitt doesn't count, nor does 2013 unranked Texas, 2009 unranked Oklahoma, or unranked UCLA.

    I'll start the list for you and you can finish it
    1- Kansas State 1996
    2- ???
    3- ???
    4- ???

    What you will discover is that BYU rarely beat a quality ranked team in the seasons you are propping up.

    1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
    1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
    1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
    1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
    1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
    1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
    1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
    2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 30, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    I bet you have all those stats saved on a word doc so you can always refer to it when your losing an argument.

    The fact is the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, and PAC-12 have all labeled BYU as a "mid-major". I guess they weren't impressed by BYU's WAC legacy 30 years ago.

    Your stats are meaningless especially when BYU loses to their hated rival 4 straight years and 9 of the last 12 years. Utah is just a better team than BYU.

    BYU talks about how their the better team, while Utah shows their the better team on the field and let the scoreboard do all the talking.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    May 30, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    Why not make it a game at a nuetral location! This would fill out both schedules and be huge. Similiar to BYU beating Oklahoma in the house that Jerry built. The Superdome in New Orleans would be huge! Call it a home game for Alabama if you want. Reschedule or sweeten a deal with Southern Miss that year or try swap the home and away with S. Miss so they play in Provo next year and at S. Miss in 16.

    Of course BYU should only do this if they get a return commitment from Alabama to play in Provo in 16 or 17.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Uteology

    As usual, you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of actual results.

    Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO seasons long.

    BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR DECADES long.

    Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes

    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
    1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
    1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
    1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
    1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
    1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
    1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
    2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
    2004 Utah(12-0) #4/#5
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    BYU has been a perennial AP Top 25 team since 1977 (17 of 34 seasons - 50%).
    Utah didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994.

    Bronco has had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes since 2006 (FOUR), as the Utes have had in their entire history (FIVE).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    @TruthMachine

    The truth is, prior to 2013, Utah had NEVER played a Top 40 SOS; BYU has played THREE Top 40 schedules since 2003!

    Sagarin Top 40 SOS
    2003 BYU #14
    2004 BYU #11
    2013 BYU #38, Utah #3

    Why don't you try using facts once in awhile, instead of your usual label-based hyperbole?

    -------------

    Still not the same as playing in a P5 conference.

    Also, BYU went:

    2003 4-8
    2004 5-6
    2013 8-5

    Playing in the MWC and "being home for the holidays" two straight years, then mocking Utah for doing the same in the PAC-12! Priceless!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 30, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    Rockwell

    "Utah certainly doesn't belong in a power conference - the record speaks for itself:

    Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes"

    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    shush

    Don't tell the PAC-12 sticker happy Utes that the conference elevator that they boarded wan't headed to the penthouse, it was only headed to the basement.

    On the bright side, they are getting a nice paycheck for losing, bowl less seasons.

  • never break .500 Los Angeles, CA
    May 30, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    yeh, ute fans…you don't get it…you knee jerk assume "power 5" teams are all predictably difficult…see Cal, Wazzou, Colo, Az, ….when you take teams like USC, MI, Tx, and Nebraska…those are a little different….surely you can see that? So with a few of the top Power 5 teams, with Boise State, you have a tough September…get it now?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    @Rockwell

    It's quite obvious which team really deserves to be in a power conference, and which team only got there by being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

    --------------

    It is obvious to everyone why Utah and TCU deserve to be in a power conference.

    Utah's BCS Resume:

    * Original BCS Buster
    * 2 major bowl wins
    * 2 top 5 finished, including highest ranked mid-major team under BCS rules
    * Top winning percentage vs BCS teams as a mid-major

    TCU's BCS Resume:

    * 1-1 in major bowls
    * 4 top 10 ranked teams, including 2nd highest ranked mid-major team under BCS rules
    * 2nd best winning percentage vs BCS teams

    BYU's BCS Resume:

    * Quest t-shirts
    * Airport celebrations
    * Losing record vs BCS teams

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 30, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    81Utes

    What about NO TEAMS, ANYWHERE after November? (see Utah since 2012)

    Those who live in crimson tinted, glass houses, should avoid throwing stones.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Speaking of whining about a tough schedule, you wouldn't understand considering you've never played one."

    The truth is, prior to 2013, Utah had NEVER played a Top 40 SOS; BYU has played THREE Top 40 schedules since 2003!

    Sagarin Top 40 SOS
    2003 BYU #14
    2004 BYU #11
    2013 BYU #38, Utah #3

    Why don't you try using facts once in awhile, instead of your usual label-based hyperbole?

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 30, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    It seems that I am not up on events/schedules of BYU in September 2015 BYU already has a couple of one and dones. Michigan and Nebraska have no return dates to Provo. I guesss you might as well play all your early games as one and done. Get the Tide on the schedule and go 1-3 in Sept.

    Good teams on the road early and poor teams at home late, I am truly sorry that you cougs must go through this.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT

    2fer

    " I can promise you that nobody is jealous of an independent mid-major, sanctions pending, program."

    Fair enough.

    And I can assure you that no one is jealous of being home for the holidays, pink slips in December (and I'm not talking about clothing), QB drama, this year's winning lotto football numbers of 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, and ?, AND whining about how tough it is in a 'big boy' conference.

    ----------------

    Speaking of pink slips in December, see Brandon Doman.
    Speaking of QB drams, see Heaps and Riley.
    Speaking of this year's winning lotto numbers: BYU 0-2 in a two game schedule
    Speaking of whining about a tough schedule, you wouldn't understand considering you've never played one.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 30, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Why do BYU fans like yourself feel compelled to pretend you belong in a power conference?"

    Utah certainly doesn't belong in a power conference - the record speaks for itself:

    Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes

    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
    1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
    1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
    1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
    1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
    1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
    1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
    2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
    2004 Utah(12-0) #4/#5
    2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
    2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
    2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
    2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

    It's quite obvious which team really deserves to be in a power conference, and which team only got there by being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

    Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes (THREE),
    than Utah has in its entire history (TWO).

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    May 30, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    @WACPaddling - yep, just like Utah

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 30, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT
    upinthenight

    "Care to talk about BYU and its WAC Legacy there BlueCoug?"

    You're just jealous that Utah has no WAC legacy - only 2 WAC championships in 37 years in the conference.

    In fact, your ENTIRE legacy lasted only two years, 2004 and 2008.

    2fer

    "Please don't even try to pretend that the Tide was even a shadow of the team they currently have..."

    When was the last time Utah even played an SEC team at home or on the road. Don't belittle BYU, when the Utes are too chicken to even venture into SEC country and too insignificant to entice an SEC team to come to RES.

    "What exactly are Utah fans jealous of?"

    Why else would you feel compelled to constantly hang out on BYU blogs?

    __________

    Yawn. Anyone can post here. Why do BYU fans like yourself feel compelled to pretend you belong in a power conference? Some day if you are invited, no matter what, you will always be considered leftovers.

  • maddog Hooper, UT
    May 30, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    BYU would be idiots not to take the opportunity to play an Alabama. How are they ever going to get past being the "has been" on the 1980s if they don't take the chance to knock off a power house SEC team like Bama, (good luck with that). BYU is known for scheduling "cupcake" teams in order to just break 500 each year. Time to take the risk and run with the big dogs if opportunity knocks, else stop whining and schedule Idaho State yet again and keep that sweet 500 streak going. Roll Tide !!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 30, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    2fer

    " I can promise you that nobody is jealous of an independent mid-major, sanctions pending, program."

    Fair enough.

    And I can assure you that no one is jealous of being home for the holidays, pink slips in December (and I'm not talking about clothing), QB drama, this year's winning lotto football numbers of 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, and ?, AND whining about how tough it is in a 'big boy' conference.

    LOL

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 30, 2014 12:49 a.m.

    @ LonestarRunner

    Utah doesn't have to venture into SEC territory. We play a whole PAC-12 schedule. But, congrats on being "significant enough" to get Mississippi State to come to Provo 14 years ago. It must have been awesome getting blown out by the least competitive team in the SEC. Lastly, FWIW I wasn't belittling BYU. My comment only said that just because BYU had a close game with the Tide in 1998, doesn't mean they would have one next year.

    We're here because the vast majority of the college football news this offseason has come out of Provo. BYU is still Utah's main rival, and therefore there is interest in what happens with the Cougars. I can promise you that nobody is jealous of an independent mid-major, sanctions pending, program.

  • xam Provo, UT
    May 30, 2014 12:12 a.m.

    @CougarSunDevil
    Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule

    When was the last time BYU or ASU beat 4 teams that finished the season ranked? Utah accomplished that with their 2008 "WAC schedule". A little research might help you out with future posts.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    upinthenight

    "Care to talk about BYU and its WAC Legacy there BlueCoug?"

    You're just jealous that Utah has no WAC legacy - only 2 WAC championships in 37 years in the conference.

    In fact, your ENTIRE legacy lasted only two years, 2004 and 2008.

    2fer

    "Please don't even try to pretend that the Tide was even a shadow of the team they currently have..."

    When was the last time Utah even played an SEC team at home or on the road. Don't belittle BYU, when the Utes are too chicken to even venture into SEC country and too insignificant to entice an SEC team to come to RES.

    "What exactly are Utah fans jealous of?"

    Why else would you feel compelled to constantly hang out on BYU blogs?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 29, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    TrollPolice
    Salt Lake City, UT said:

    ""Utah football: Game times, TV plans announced for three 2014 games" = 9 comments

    "BYU football to play Texas on Fox Sports 1 in prime time" = 27 comments

    "Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in 2015? = 60 comments

    Almost 100 comments total on the two BYU articles, the vast majority from jealous Utah fans; it's hilarious how obsessed the kids on the hill are with their big brothers."

    Big brother?

    BYU complains about the SEC & ACC scaling them second class.
    Uptight you were not invited to the PAC 12.
    The list goes on.

    Bad example set by big brother.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    @ TrollPolice

    What exactly are Utah fans jealous of?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 29, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    When sports writers start sounding like fans, both sides of a story go out the door. No opinion or observation from the other side.

    BYU fans have indeed cornered the market and monopolized frantic, folklore BYU football.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    @ BlueCoug

    Bama in 1998 went 7-5. Please don't even try to pretend that the Tide was even a shadow of the team they currently have...

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 29, 2014 8:50 p.m.

    BlueCoug
    Orem, UT said:
    Chris B

    ""Why doesn't BYU just set up a home and home?"

    Remind us that last time Utah played an SEC team at home.

    Hint: Not a single SEC team has ever agreed to visit tiny RES."

    Care to talk about BYU and its WAC Legacy there BlueCoug?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 29, 2014 8:48 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph
    American Fork, UT said:

    "ESPN will drive this thing, they'll want an Alabama game on their network and will do what it takes to get it."

    Makes you wonder why ESPN has not pushed BYU in the first place.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    "Utah football: Game times, TV plans announced for three 2014 games" = 9 comments

    "BYU football to play Texas on Fox Sports 1 in prime time" = 27 comments

    "Should BYU try to schedule Alabama in 2015? = 60 comments

    Almost 100 comments total on the two BYU articles, the vast majority from jealous Utah fans; it's hilarious how obsessed the kids on the hill are with their big brothers.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Exactly. Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty similar.

    -------------

    I did and you are wrong. Utah's 2008 SOS is actually "mighty similar" to as ASU's 2012 SOS. BYU's 2013 SOS "mighty similar" to their WAC 1984 SOS.

    SOS Rankings:

    Utah's 2008 #56 ... 13-0
    ASU's 2012 #52 ... 8-5

    BYU's 1984 #104 ... 12-0.
    BYU's 2013 #97 (currently) ... 10-2 (My projection)

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    May 29, 2014 6:27 p.m.

    Amazing how right after the ACC and SEC snubbed BYU, many ute fans began talking about how BYU would never possibly schedule an SEC team.

    And yet, here we are, just a few weeks later, and it's being discussed. I understand that it's a long shot to get Alabama on the schedule and this is still far from actually getting an agreement to play them, but we have not been shunned by the SEC.

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:58 p.m.

    Although we are 2-12 against ranked opponents...we need to take this game to earn some respect. So we play 4 hard teams in a year...big deal...take a look at Notre Dames schedule that so many of our delusional fans say we are even par with. We take this game anytime and go be competitive. Thats how we raise the level of our brand. Lets do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    Go for it!

    I, for one, am excited to see the possibility of BYU playing Nebraska, Michigan, and possibly Alabama in the same year. (Boise State? time will tell. New coach and they are projected as the 53rd ranked team for next year.) Winning even one game against the first 3 is how BYU will start to gain national respect!

    And I love to see the excitement of cougar fans in these posts. Now I hope you understand why I, and most Utah fans, have loved the PAC-12 even when we have only won 30% of our games!

    To put in perspective the 2014 projected ranking of Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, and Boise State is #4,#18, #43, and #53 respective. Now look at Utah's 2014 schedule: In eight straight games Utah plays (with 2014 projected ranking in parenthesis) Michigan (18); Washing State ($9); UCLA (5); Oregon State (28); USC (13); Arizona State (16); Oregon (2); and Stanford (8) I know, I know, another Ute fan playing the Strength of Schedule card!

    A sincere hope you do schedule Alabama and good luck with the other "high profile" games in 2015!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    "byu already has Nebraska and Michigan and that makes their schedule possibly already difficult enough?

    LOL - ya, for a WAC team maybe"

    Exactly. Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty similar.

    --------------

    In 2008, Utah beat 4 ranked teams, #6, #7, #18, #25. When was the last time ASU did that, ... BYU has beat 3 ranked teams since 1996.

    When was the last time ASU beat a WAC team? 0-3? Really?

    Boise State L 24-56
    Hawaii L 24-41
    Louisiana State L 31-35

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    Holmoe, do what it takes. BYU needs to play every SEC team with a hole in their schedule.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    Don't do it, you already have a 1 and None in 2015 (Michigan). Two of them will make you look like an lower division school chasing the money. Have a little pride will ya.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    Article says Bama's AD has been busy calling dozens of teams to fill that slot.

    Meaning, it hasn't even occurred to him to contact BYU... despite the fact they're independent and likely have slots to fill. He's struck out so far because everyone in a conference has the 15 schedule filled already, as they have only three/four nonconference games to schedule. So shouldn't his first thought be to look at the non-conference affiliated independents? One would think.

    The fact that Bama's AD hasn't contacted BYU -- when they should have been among the first teams to pop into his head -- tells you everything you need to know about how the SEC views BYU.

    Which is to say, they're invisible.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    Aggie238
    Logan, UT
    If BYU doesn't schedule this game, the entire athletic department should be fired.

    Wanna prove you can hang with the big boys and that it was a mistake for the SEC and ACC to snub you? Here's your chance. Money, meet mouth.

    ---------

    Problem is, I guarantee you there have been two dozen other teams that have beaten BYU to it. Once word of this story got out, I bet the Bama AD's phone has been ringing off the hook. I mean, he's basically offering $1 million to the first team to fill that spot.

    By the time BYU calls, I'll bet that slot has been long since filled.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    Also, for the record, I'd gladly ignore my conscience and cheer for BYU in that game.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:48 p.m.

    If BYU doesn't schedule this game, the entire athletic department should be fired.

    Wanna prove you can hang with the big boys and that it was a mistake for the SEC and ACC to snub you? Here's your chance. Money, meet mouth.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph
    American Fork, UT

    BYU hung with Bama in 1998, why not now?

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    There's no way you can possibly be serious with this.

    Do you honestly believe the 1998 Tide are nearly as good as they are now? Oh goodness.

    1998- (7-5 record, played just two ranked teams, lost to every one of the decent ones, and even lost to a few mediocre ones)

    2013- (11-2 record, arguably the best team in CFB, coming off three national titles in the last five years)

    Please say you were joking.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    Mormon Ute
    Kaysville, UT
    Why would BYU shy away from this opportunity?

    --------

    Because BYU hasn't even remotely been offered this "opportunity."

    The author is trying to make it sound like the offer has already been made. In other words, he's dishing the blue kool aid and every BYU fan is drinking it.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 29, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    @ Johnny Triumph

    "BYU hung with Bama in 1998, why not now?"

    East Carolina also hung with Bama and only lost by one point (23-22). Alabama back in 1998 was an average SEC team going 7-5 and 3rd in the SEC west division. Alabama today under Nick Saban is a very strong team winning 3 National Championships in the last 5 years. The Crimson Tide would roll all over BYU if they played today.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty similar.

    ----------

    And rightfully so, we didn't lose a game. Why don't you give that a try sometime?

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    It's almost as if Texas or Miami would never come to LES either. Crazy talk if you ask me.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    @ChrisB - You can't tell me that Utah would view a game vs a MWC team the same way BYU would. Those are the teams I'm talking about, those who will always love to play BYU. If BYU can swing one game vs Alabama then they should go for it, UNLV will always be there.

    BYU hung with Bama in 1998, why not now?

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    KH - I couldn't agree more. If only...

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    I just literally laugh out loud every time CB makes a "big boys" comment. As if her team isn't a goldfish in a shark tank.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    Why would BYU shy away from this opportunity? If the hole in Alabama's schedule matches up date wise with BYU's it should be a no brainer. BYU wants to get into the playoff and the only way to do that is to play top level teams in as many games as possible each year. Shying away from a killer month isn't going to make that happen. Schools in the Big 5 conferences don't get that luxury during their conference seasons and if BYU wants to sit back and enjoy that kind of a schedule they will never prove the belong in the playoff.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 29, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    No guts, no glory. Schedule the game.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 29, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    U-PAC

    "BYU would have to pay Alabama at least $500k to play AT Alabama."

    LOL at the delusional crimson cloud that constantly hangs over the hill.

    Alabama would have to pay BYU at least $1 million to play at Alabama.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    "You are totally right. That would suck bad to have to play USC instead of Nebraska, or UCLA instead of Michigan. L"

    Tyler,

    The difference is that Utah plays these teams every single year. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure byu has those two games with Nebraska and Michigan scheduled just once.

    Nice try. Oh, and I also named more than two teams in my last post. USC, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona St, and thanks for reminding me about UCLA.

    Too easy.

  • Yankees24 SLC, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    Who cares if Utah plays in the Pac. They don't compete. I haven't heard Kentucky beating their chest about playing in the SEC. Probably because they are the cellar dweller.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 29, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    BYU should give Alabama the Tony Kornheiser salute.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Why doesn't BYU just set up a home and home?"

    Remind us that last time Utah played an SEC team at home.

    Hint: Not a single SEC team has ever agreed to visit tiny RES.

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    @KH

    You are totally right. That would suck bad to have to play USC instead of Nebraska, or UCLA instead of Michigan. L

  • PizzInovations Chandler, AZ
    May 29, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    Doesn't Alabama owe BYU a game in Provo already after BYU played in Tuscaloosa in 1998. Why was this not even addressed in this article? Seems like a pretty important detail.

    I say schedule this game in 2015 -- providing they give BYU 2 games in Provo. Do it Tom!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Lifelong Ute

    "Please please please make this game happen! I'd be laughing for 3 straight hours..."

    Shows just how clueless you are about BYU football. The last time BYU played Alabama, the Crimson Tide barely avoided an upset loss. The game was tied 24-24 late in the 3rd quarter, before Alabama pulled off a narrow 38-31 win.

    The close win spooked Alabama into cancelling their scheduled return visit to BYU.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 29, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    By all means schedule this game. Humility is a good thing even when you are compelled to be such. Alabama would not just beat BYU but completely destroy their pride.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    Tyler11385,

    I noticed that you failed to mention USC, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona St., etc. Therein lies the difference. Your team can go on playing that cute little schedule and win 8-10 games. Utah will continue playing in the 2nd best conference in the nation, only behind the SEC.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph,

    "If it means dropping someone then OK, those teams will always be happy to schedule BYU."

    Its that kind of attitude that has byu OUT of the big boy conferences.

    And your comment is only true about those teams being happy always to schedule byu..

    unless its the ACC

    or the Big 12

    or the Big 10

    or the Pac 12

    or the SEC

    or the MWC who doesn't like you either

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    Wait, byu has only 2 power conference teams on their schedule and this article suggests that maybe that schedule is already too difficult?

    LOL!

    So you want to be one of the big boys but won't play 3 games against the big boys that year?

  • Yankees24 SLC, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    I don't think fans of either school have room for much trash talking. BYU can't beat Utah in football. Utah can't make a bowl game. Both teams are mediocre. It's okay to accept the truth.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    ESPN will drive this thing, they'll want an Alabama game on their network and will do what it takes to get it. If that means a tough September for BYU then so be it. If it means dropping someone then OK, those teams will always be happy to schedule BYU.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    Why doesn't byu just set up a home and home?

    Alabama needs a home game in 2015 and then they can go to Provo in 2016.

    Why doesn't Holmoe suggest this?

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Or can you imagine also having to play UW or Oregon State instead of Boise State? We need to stick to our easy WAC schedule or we will turn out like another instate program...and I'm not referring to the Aggies.

  • Conosticator Boring, OR
    May 29, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Speak for yourself, El Chango Supremo. Real BYU fans root for BYU and whomever is playing Utah this week.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 29, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    @ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT - "change supremo, We don't care that you cheered for us. USC doesn't care if san diego state or fresno fans cheer for USC. You're irrelevant."

    Chris B., and yet you still comment.

    If BYU is so "irrelevant" then why do you spend so much time trying to beat us down?

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Oh I also forgot to mention the mighty Buffalos as well instead of San Jose...

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    May 29, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    "byu already has Nebraska and Michigan and that makes their schedule possibly already difficult enough?

    LOL - ya, for a WAC team maybe"

    Exactly. Look no farther than Utah's 2008 football schedule to see the cupcake WAC schedule Utah played. Looks mighty similar.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 29, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    @ Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT - "byu already has Nebraska and Michigan and that makes their schedule possibly already difficult enough? LOL - ya, for a WAC team maybe. 2 games against power conference teams is all they could schedule and they're already talking up how difficult that schedule is? LOL"

    2 comments:

    1) Chris B. must work for the Deseret News. His buddies must tell him the nano-second a BYU football-related story is going to hit the net. That's how he often ends up being the first poster. Never could figure out why such a devoted Utah fan comments more on the team he hates than his own team. Weird.

    2) Chris B., so how's that 3-season losing record treating you? Love those bowl games you guys have played in recently.

    Oops....

    As far as the story goes, yes, BYU should schedule Alabama.

    Pitt. Miami. Oklahoma. Alabama.

    Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?...

    Go Cougars!

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Alabama is tough and all, but they are definitely no PAC 12 team, let alone Utah. Can you imagine how much harder our schedule would be if we had to play WSU instead of Fresno, or Cal instead of Utah State, or Arizona instead of Cincinnati. Just would just ruin us if we had to play a PAC 12 schedule.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 29, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Dear Y Fans,

    Utah fans (including myself) read and comment on BYU articles because it's the end of May and there is nothing else going on in the world of college football. There isn't much to talk about right now with Utah or any other P5 program because this is the dreaded summer time that is full of "way too early predictions" that don't mean anything. Utah is in a great spot with their seat amongst the big boys in place. BYU on the other hand is the exact opposite, their program is at a very interesting point in their history. The events over the next few months and years will define the future of BYU Football, for better or worse. It's incredibly intriguing. To say that we read and comment on BYU articles because we are obsessed is naive.

    With that said, BYU should do whatever it takes to make this game happen.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 29, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    @ brs27

    "It's to the point I have to ask.....Do Ute fans have nothing better to do than read AND COMMENT on articles about BYU????"

    You might want to check the Utah articles and you'll be surprised to find how many Cougar fans with nothing better to do than read and comment on Utah articles. It does go both ways and I know that may come as a shock for you.

    Last I checked, these are public forums so anyone can write comments on any article if they like.

    Lastly, the reason BYU is getting so much attention and attracting so many people to comment on articles is because BYU is in the news due to the SEC and ACC snub, BYU breaking NCAA rules and conducting an internal investigation, and possibly BYU turning down a chance to play Alabama because their not a WAC team that they're used to playing.

  • Al Thepal Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    Of course we should try to schedule Alabama. It would be a big mistake to not schedule them if the option is available. Drop San Jose State or UNLV or Southern Miss, or make a deal with one of them to switch to playing at BYU that year. Do whatever it takes. Who cares if we already have a few power conference opponents who happen to be big name programs themselves. That would make the deal even sweeter. Bring it On. Isn't that kind of what we are trying to do? Build a schedule that is respectable each year? Scheduling Alabama in the same year we have Nebraska and Michigan would be a HUGE step forward, even if it is a one and done with Alabama.

    As for Chris B and his fellow BYU hater trolls trolls, yes I remember when Utah beat Alabama. As a matter of fact, I was cheering for Utah. Why? Because as a BYU fan my life doesn't revolve around hating Utah.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Yes! We'll play them and beat them to!

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    May 29, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Of course they should schedule that game!

    Chris B, of course we Cougar Fans remember that game Utah played against the Crimson tide... Most of us were watching and cheering for our neighbors to the north!

  • brs27 Beaver, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    It's to the point I have to ask.....Do Ute fans have nothing better to do than read AND COMMENT on articles about BYU???? I think the only semi-Ute related article I've even taken time to read was the one from today that mentioned both Dres Anderson and Jordan Leslie. I've joked about this privately for a while, wondering if these people have nothing better to do with their lives; but now I'm starting to regret my needling, I'm starting to really believe that these people have some serious situation in their lives that leaves them with so few options that they spend time and energy reading and commenting about someone else's team. I'm really sorry guys, my best to you during these difficult times in your lives.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    PP,
    Utah fans are excited about the upcoming season. What's to get excited about in happy valley?

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Wow - 10 posts and 9 are from ute "fans". That is impressive for all the wrong reasons. Little bro is alive and well at 5-7 and struggling for relevance.

  • Alex 1 Tucson, AZ
    May 29, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Take it!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 29, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    Thanks, Lafe, for giving all our U fans something to laugh about. By next December, laughs will be few and far between. Again.

    Schedule the game. Do what it takes. The answer is always "NO" to the question you don't ask, and you absolutely will not win the games you don't play. Schedule the game.

    Utah State has been exceptionally kind to BYU. Maybe they would consider changing a home game to an away game as part of a 2 for 1 in their favor. Maybe Boise would. Get creative, but schedule the game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 29, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    BYU should do what ever it takes to make this game. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    Funny, the predicament that byu has put itself in. Right now, given recent events, byu is the only team in the country that would question whether or not they should try to schedule a game with the Alabama. On one hand it would certainly meet the "exposure" criteria and an upset would immediately get them the "prestige" that they lack. On the other hand, Alabama would have marching orders from the SEC, "under no circumstance do you lose to byu". It would give both, the SEC and byu a chance to put their money where their mouth is. Comments to follow will be interesting.

    On the side...Which is correct, itself or it's self?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 29, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    BYU should try to schedule every top tier team in the country that it can. You only get better by playing top competition. This is the whole reason we went independent. And we get exposure in the Eastern half of the country, more media coverage, etc.

    Then there's the whole matter of gearing up to play such a team. Bronco hasn't shown he is capable of doing it on a consistent basis. Anae even far less. Still, I'd rather see us be more ambitious in the scheduling.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Please please please make this game happen! I'd be laughing for 3 straight hours, kind of like I do during the Utah byu games.

  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    I would love to see this game. "Roll Tide Baby"

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 29, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    Yes, BYU should try to schedule Alabama in 2015. And I will try to get a date with Sophia Vergara.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    Not sure this topic warrants a story on the dnews. This is twitter fodder.