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Published: Friday, May 30 2014 7:04 a.m. MDT

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CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Another article on college football (regardless of the team being Y or U) and the same old comments. We are better than you are. I sometimes wonder if many of the posters even read the article. Ignoring all the petty bickering ...

Of course BYU should try to schedule this game. Yes it would mean only 5 home games that year which is a legitimate concern but what an opportunity. The thought that it would make the schedule too difficult, to me, is a terrible excuse. Teams in good conferences play 6 to 10 difficult games every year, something the Y has never done. Take the game with Alabama and see if you can compete with teams like Nebraska, Michigan, and Alabama to offset the other games against teams like UNLV and several other teams the Y should beat handily. I can't imagine any true Cougar fan is excited about their schedule this year. Playing a couple of big name teams every year, along with a handful of less competitive P5 teams, and half the games against MWC (or similar) teams isn't big time football.

CO Ute
PARKER, CO

One quick one for Worf - both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So does that make them good teams? Spin your way out of that question.

If you are happy playing Idaho, Idaho State and similar teams in order to generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is you call.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Lonestar Runner

"BYA won the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU didn't start playing football until 1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU didn't have a single 4-year player until 1925"

Actually that is incorrect! Utah and BYA tied their series in the 1890's 3-3. Look it up!

Like I said, BYU's greatest success was in the WAC from 1972-1998. Can't dispute that! But Utah still owns the rivalry 57-34-4. Can't dispute that either!

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Clark W. Griswold

"Total Conference Championships: Utah 24, BYU 23"

Not all conference champions are created equal.

Of BYU's 23 conference champions
19 (82%) won 8 or more games
19 (82%) played in a bowl
14 (61%) were ranked in the AP Top 25

Of Utah's 24 conference champions
9 (38%) won 8 or more games
5 (21%) played in a bowl
3 (13%) were ranked in the AP Top 25

It speaks volumes about insignificance of the vast majority of Utah's conference championship teams when only THREE of them were good enough to be ranked and only FIVE of them played in a bowl, NONE before 1964.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Clark W. Griswold

Actually, 3-2 is correct.

Utah padded their record by counting a spring scrimmage as an actual game. Seriously, only the Utes would be so desperate as to count a spring scrimmage as a real game. Look it up!

Utah had no meaningful success on a national scale in their first 99 seasons of football.

Prior to 2003, not a single Utah team had won a conference championship and finished in the AP Top 25 in the same season.

sammyg
Springville, UT

CO Ute

If you're happy criticizing BYU for playing Idaho State when scheduling options were limited as an independent newcomer, I'm ok with that.

Well, well, well, look who's playing who on Aug 28th at RES... The mighty Idaho State Bengals.

I guess when you're looking at another miserable 2-7 conference season like last year it's really important to pad your schedule to desperately hope for a miracle's chance of being bowl eligible, huh?

That's ok right? But for BYU to just get ANY game to fill out its independent schedule at the last moment, it's not?

You hug and cherish that Idaho State win as it will become one of just 4-5 'signature' wins the Utes will have in 2014 as a 'prestigious PAC12 member'.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Lonestar Runner

That April game does count. It was an unusual time to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game. So the game counts and the series was tied 3-3 in the 1890's. So I'm correct! It shouldn't matter to BYU fans anyway since they don't count their games played when they were known BYA.

@ Broken Truth Machine

"Not all conference champions are created equal"

Really? Is that all you got? Utah has more conference championships and you have to down play it. It's just like saying BYU's national success was built upon playing weak sauce teams in the WAC.

What's the difference between the WAC and the Rocky Mountain Conference? Many of the WAC members were former members of the Mountain States Conference. Utah dominated the Mountain States Conference like BYU dominated the WAC.

I guess it just ruins BYU's argument that they don't have more conference championships than Utah.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Haven't commented about this article yet. Looking at all the comments it would be easy to get sucked into the back and forth same ole same ole but I won't bite...besides, as COUte pointed out it's all the same drivel anyway.

BYU should work out a deal with one of the lesser teams on their schedule to swap a home and home arrangement and schedule Bama. If you want to be considered a P5 program you have to step up and play P5 opponents whenever the opportunity presents itself. Looking at the schedule, there are other P5 programs with openings as well. Time to put your money where your mouth is BYU...no excuses, schedule them.

worf
Mcallen, TX

CO Ute,

If you are happy playing Northern Colorado, Idaho State and similar teams in order to generate 8 wins a year and make a bowl game, that is you call. Didn't work, did it?

How about Colorado, Cal, and Washington State? Soft teams, and still no bowl game.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

CO Ute

"both Buffalo and UNLV made bowl games last year. So does that make them good teams?"

Not necessarily, but with over 70 teams qualifying for bowls, playing in a bowl should at least be the minimum standard for being considered "good" regardless of schedule and conference.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ sammyg

Accusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is just silly. Utah probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the country. But you knew that.

Cosmo1974
Woods Cross, UT

Clark,

If you are talking strictly in terms of head-to-head matchups, then yes, Utah has been the better team. But most of the rest of the country consider the overall record at the end of the season, SOS, Sagarin rankings, etc. as indicators of which team is better. So if you use those criteria, BYU is the better team. And I'm sure you or one of your fellow "fans" will come up with some obscure stat in an attempt to prove Utah is the OVERALL better team.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

They should try and do a home and home. It kinda sucks that that most the big games are away games and not quite fair. They should try and do it anyway. We could get creamed, or like at Oklahoma come away with a win. Even if we lost to Bama by a couple touchdowns it wouild show we could play with them at BYU.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Clark W. Griswold

"That April game does count. It was an unusual time to play the game. But both Utah and BYA agreed to play the game."

They agreed to a scrimmage, nothing more.

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"Really? Is that all you got? Utah has more conference championships and you have to down play it."

He's just stating the facts, which obviously show that the vast majority of Utah's conference championships don't even come close to comparing to a WAC, MWC or PAC championship.

Utah fans are already beating their chests about how much more meaningful a PAC championship would be, versus a WAC or MWC championship.

The difference between a Skyline / Rocky Mountain Conference championship and a WAC / MWC championship is even greater.

From 1936, when the AP poll was started, to 1962, when the WAC was founded, Utah won 10 conference championships. NONE of those teams was ranked or played in a bowl.

Why?

Because, winning the RMC or Skyline championship was so inconsequential, that no one outside of the Rocky Mountain area even noticed.

sammyg
Springville, UT

2fer

So what do you call it? All the more reason to pad a schedule huh?

Utes had a choice to schedule Idaho State and probably several other teams but chose them. We know by sad experience that the Utes will probably always be on the bubble to win 4 out of 9 conference games.

Getting an easy win is pretty critical now isn't it?

So I get a little tired of hearing U guys accusing BYU of choosing to have a soft schedule to get a bowl game. It is what it is. U guys on the other hand are really desperate to get in by any means now.

Now if you really want to talk about padding a schedule would you like to talk basketball?

Carson
Provo, UT

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ sammyg

Accusing Utah of "padding" it's schedule is just silly. Utah probably has one of the top 5 most difficult schedules in the country. But you knew that.

He knows it, He's just having a real hard dealing with the direction his team is taking.

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

All of the utes SOS talk is ridiculous.

Do they play a tougher schedule than BYU? Of course they do, but they act like losing your games against a tough schedule makes you some kind of juggernaut.

Guess what? I could throw some 2A High School team into the Pac-12 and they could miss bowl appearances just as easily as utah.

I know that utah is far better than a 2A High School, as the HS would finish 0-12, but I'm just making the point that your schedule does nothing if you don't win games.

Also, the utes have their fair share of easy opponents this year. Idaho St, Fresno St, Wash. St, Colorado. I'm not calling their overall schedule easy, but it's not the 12 game mine field that they try to make it sound like.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

IF BYU can get a home and home take the game and schedule it the second to last game of the season when the tradition rich SEC schedules the Weber State and Idaho States their conference. If not BYU/ESPN should argue for a neutral site game in Texas.

In the event of not getting the game, BYU should look to get a one and done. Maybe invite Wyoming since we finished the series in Laramie. I wouldn't mind seeing a top of the league MAC team like Northern Illinois.

As for ALL the Utah comments, Utah needs to take care of itself. Its going to be a VERY tough year with only Idaho State as a guarantee win. Washington State and Colorado, teams BYU would never lose to are toss ups for Utah. We all believe that Utah isn't going to win more games than last year, so if they can manage to get to a bowl the state should give the team a parade.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Cosmo1974

Sagarin ratings 2013

34- Utah (SOS 3)
35- BYU (SOS 38)

How's that for an obscure stat?

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ sammyg

Playing one warm-up game before conference is not the same as padding over half the schedule with teams like UNLV, UNR, MTSU, Savannah St, Cal, UCONN, and Virginia.

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