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Published: Friday, May 30 2014 7:04 a.m. MDT

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Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

"Alabama needs a game. Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the cream of a P5 conference would be just too tough."

Not scared to play Texas, not scared to play Notre Dame, not scared to play Wisconsin, not even scared to play Utah, but scared to play Alabama?

Right...

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

As far as building a resume worthy of national championship consideration goes, please explain how three consecutive unranked seasons, from 2005 to 2007, built momentum for a national championship run for Utah in 2008.

Utah started 2008 coming off an unranked, 2007 season in which the Utes were shut out 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV and narrowly escaped finishing the season on a two-game losing streak by pulling off a narrow win over Navy(8-5) 38-35 in their bowl game.

Utah wasn't even on the national championship radar when 2008 began and wasn't ranked as high as #8 until November 9th.

In 1984, BYU was already ranked #8 by September 11th.

Whether BYU would have been included in a BCS championship game if one had existed in 1984 is pure speculation, but any fan who claims that the team that finished the season ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls wouldn't have been given VERY SERIOUS consideration for the BCS championship game simply isn't being honest.

Utah, on the other hand, finished 6th in the final BCS standings, completely out of the picture as far as the BCS championship game was concerned.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Clark W. Griswold,

It's not a fluke. I can flip a coin and come up with 4 straight heads or tails.

No excuses!

One goes bowling, and the other not good enough. Can't win more then half their games.

Just that simple.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Uteology

It's laughable that you have to invalidate everything BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some imaginary "BCS" line of demarcation just to help you sleep at night.

Especially convenient, that you chose to leave out 1996, when BYU finished 14-1, ranked #5/#5, with a win in the Cotton Bowl, the domino that set in motion the events that made it possible for Utah to play in a BCS game in 2004.

As far as "BCS" accomplishments go, let me help you complete this particular statement:

BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish [during the BCS era] than Utah [has during their entire football history].

"62% of Bronco's total wins were against teams with a losing record (which explains 11+ wins and no major wins)"

LOL at your self-serving, delusional spin.

2006 BYU(11-2) SOS #74, Utah(8-5) SOS #73; BYU stomped Oregon 38-8
2007 BYU(11-2) SOS #59, Utah(9-4) SOS #60; BYU beat UCLA 17-16
2009 BYU(11-2) SOS #61, Utah(10-3) SOS #75; BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon St 42-20

If BYU's schedule was so "easy" in 2006, 2007, and 2009, why didn't Utah, with similar schedules, have 11+ wins?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Clark W. Griswold

Since 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18 of 20 from 1972 to 1991.
Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has owned the series 29-23.

WAC/MWC Championships
BYU 23
Utah 6

AP Top 25 Finishes
BYU 17
Utah 5

It's quite obvious who has owned who in the last half century.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Nope. For weeks the cougar faithful, supported by the local media, have complained about being "snubbed" as they were relegated to mid-major status by the SEC. Plenty of comments declared that the SEC wouldn't schedule byu because they were afraid of losing.

Well, here we are. Alabama needs a game with a mid-major opponent (any mid-major opponent) and the cougs claim they belong in the P5. It's time to either step up or shut up.

My guess is that the cougs will not step up but the talk will continue unabated.

vancougarfan
Brush Prairie, WA

Yeah schedule the game already! Especially with the new NCAA bowl design, it's the closest to a shot at a national championship BYU will get. (Playing a team that consistently competes for the national championship.) While the odds are definitely not in our favor, hey upsets happen every year! Odds were against Utah when they beat Alabama in 08-09. I watched that game and it was awesome! Utah has earned its football reputation by winning big games. You can't beat the big boys unless you play them! Here's hoping it gets scheduled! Go BYU!

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ worf

"One goes bowling, and the other not good enough. Can't win more then half their games"

One plays a weak sauce schedule and gets to bowl eligibility. The other plays one of the toughest schedules in college football and does not get to bowl eligibility.

One team goes to a bowl game and gets humiliated on national TV and the other stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show.

BYU last year proved that they can't beat anyone good on their schedule. The Washington loss was the nail in the coffin.

It's just that simple!

giantfan
Farmington, UT

MyPerspective,

My my, you make it seem you're privy to the goings on. The only thing BYU has to do is say "yes" and Alabama's on the schedule for 2015? I guess no one ever taught you what happens when you assume...

xam
Provo, UT

@phoenix
There's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past rankings.

Did BYU beat any teams that finished the year ranked during that "legacy" period? It's quite possible that Utah beat as many ranked team in 1996 (3) and 2008 (4) as BYU has beat in their entire football history.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ BlueCoug

"Since 1972, BYU owns the series 26-16, including 18 of 20 from 1972 to 1991.
Since BYU and Utah joined the WAC in 1962, BYU has owned the series 29-23"

It's kind of sad that BYU fans resort to selective stats to make their argument. Why not trace the rivalry back to it's beginnings in 1896 or 1922? I already know the answer to that. BYU can only trace their success back to 1972. Before then BYU was irrelevant!

Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4 including a whopping 39-5-4 record between 1922-1971.
Since Utah joined the PAC-12 and BYU went Independent, Utah is a perfect 3-0 against BYU.

Total Conference Championships:
Utah 24
BYU 23

It's quite obvious who has owned who in the history of this rivalry.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Griswold,

"One plays a weak sauce schedule and gets to bowl eligibility."

An SOS in the top 1/3 of the country is not "weak sauce" but you keep telling yourself that.

"the other (team) stays home eating popcorn and enjoying the show."

I can understand them enjoying the show since it's getting pretty comfortable sitting on that couch. And we all know they have the same spot reserved for this year's holidays!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

worf
Mcallen, TX
Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

* BYU has bowl games--Utes non
* BYU has more national exposure

That's it! Everything else are excuses!

_________

More wishful thinking from a Coug.
Since when does national exposure make you a better team? National exposure has brought more losses against ranked teams.

Proud Ute
,

WACPaddingOurSchedule

pocatello, ID

worf
Mcallen, TX
Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

* BYU has bowl games--Utes non
* BYU has more national exposure

Surprised you're bring national exposure up.....starting with your bowl game humiliation to being declared pretty much a non-entity by the major conferences to now your very public NCAA problems is that what you want to crow about?

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

Clark W. Griswold

"Since 1896 Utah owns the series 57-34-4 including a whopping 39-5-4 record between 1922-1971."

BYA won the 1890's series 3-2, but BYU didn't start playing football until 1922, three DECADES after Utah, so BYU didn't have a single 4-year player until 1925.

Then from 1943 to 1945, BYU suspended their football program because of WWII, while Utah kept right on playing. So once again, in 1946, BYU was starting over from scratch, while Utah had been playing continually since 1894.

Add to that, the fact that 22 of the first 31 games were played at Utah, because BYU devoted so few funds to football that BYU didn't even have their own football field, and it's easy to see why Utah "dominated the series from 1922 to 1961.

The BYU got serious about football, build a stadium, joined with Utah to help create the WAC, and the two programs went in opposite directions:

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

In 1964, Utah won their first WAC championship and played in the Liberty Bowl.

In 1965, BYU beat Utah for only the third time and won their first conference championship.

By the time Utah won their second WAC championship, in 1995,

BYU had won a National Championship, SEVENTEEN WAC championships, a Heisman Trophy, had played in NINETEEN bowl games, had finished in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN times, and had beaten Utah 22 of 30 times.

Utah didn't play in a single bowl game from 1965 to 1991, and didn't crack the AP Top 25 until 1994.

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but Utah's period of head-to-head domination ended when BYU and Utah joined the WAC.

On a significant achievement level, Utah didn't have a single conference winning, AP Top 25 season until 2003.

It's easy to see why BYU fans don't think much of Utah's pre-2003 "accomplishments" - there weren't any.

portlander
Arlington, WA

Two things. Yes BYU should play 'Bama if it has the opportunity. BYU could get great exposure as a tough, willing independent school on the same level as a Notre Dame.

Also, except for the fact that the roles are reversed, Ute fans remind of Duck fans. Neither one can stay off of the others blog "turf" trying to muddy the face of their main rival.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

Again, Kyle Wittingham (Utah) and Gary Paterson (TCU) had the top two most wins as mid-major coaches against BCS teams, including PAC-12 and Big 12 teams.

Now, Bronco has a better record then both those coaches vs PAC-12 and Big 12 opponents. But Bronco still has a losing record against P5 teams overall, including 8 straight loses to both Kyle and Gary.

TCU and Boise build "a resume worthy of national championship consideration" yet they still couldn't get into the national title game. In fact, the best mid-major team ever under BCS rules was the 2008 Utah team (16 AP votes).

Regardless, forget Utah or TCU. I am still waiting for you to post BYU's BCS Resume.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Uteology

It's laughable that you have to invalidate everything BYU accomplished from 1974 to 1997 with some imaginary "BCS" line of demarcation just to help you sleep at night.

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It's laughable that you think the BCS era was imaginary.

I think Edwards and Chow were greats, they accomplished a lot at BYU. But that doesn't take away form the fact that during the last 16 years BYU only has Quest t-shirts and Airport Celebrations to show as accomplishments. No major wins, no major bowl wins, nothing.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Clark W. Griswold,

Schedule envy?

Excuses are a sign of weakness.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

If you can't bowl, you're not very good. Period! Can't spin your way out of it.

Byu has it, and the utes don't.

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