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Published: Friday, May 30 2014 7:04 a.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

As usual, you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of actual results.

Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO seasons long.

BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR DECADES long.

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As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!

giantfan
Farmington, UT

MyPerspective,

Oh the irony of first lambasting "lame" comments and then following that up with one of your own. "Maybe Provo High is available in 2015". That's rich.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Uteology

The glaring omission in your analysis is your inability to consider the context in which seasons are judged.

BYU's 1984 #104 ... 13-0
Utah's 2008 #56 ... 13-0

BYU didn't just appear on the national scene out of nowhere in 1984. The Cougars had been building a national championship caliber resume since 1979.

1979 (11-1) #13/#12
1980 (12-1) #12/#11
1981 (11-2) #13/#11
1982 (8-4) unranked
1983 (11-1) #7/#7
1984 (13-0) #1/#1

66-9 overall record, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, SIX conference champions, and 24 straight wins is what BYU's 1984 National Championship was built on, NOT a #104 SOS

Compare that to Utah 2008

2003 (10-2) #21/#21
2004 (12-0) #4/#5
2005 (7-5) unranked
2006 (8-5) unranked
2007 (9-4) unranked
2008 (13-0) #2/#4

59-16 overall record, TWO Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, THREE conference champions, and 14 straight wins, is what Utah's failed national championship dream was built on, NOT Utah's #56 SOS

BYU also had an endless succession of Heisman Trophy contending quarterbacks - Wilson, McMahon, Young and Bosco.

Utah had Alex Smith and overachieving Brian Johnson.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Uteology,

I'm confused. Couldn't you say the same thing about all fans hiding behind the accomplishments of the coaches and players of the teams that they root for? And we're not just talking about Lavell Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here. How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does the entire Ute Football history have compared to Bronco? We can go top-25 finishes next, if you'd like.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Johnny Triumph

This has been debated over and over. There was no BCS in 1996. The rule that kept mid-majors out was broken by Utah broke in 2004. That's why Utah is known as the Original BCS Buster.

The rules for non-AQ teams was the same in 2004 as it was in 1998. The rule changed after the 2005 season, from the requirement of being a top 6 to a top 12 when a 5th BCS game was added:

“Prior to 2005, non-BCS schools had to finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. That meant the likes of Tulane (12-0, No. 10 in 1998) and Marshall (13-0, No. 12 in 1999) didn't get a shot. Utah did break through, finishing sixth in 2004."

-- Dennis Dodd (CBS Sports)

Notice BYU's 1996 season wasn't even mentioned.

@Uteanymous: "Still waiting for your power conference resume."

Why? You can't do your own research?

Utah's P5 Resume:

* 2011 SOS #49 8-5
* 2012 SOS #41 5-7
* 2013 SOS #3 5-7

BYU's "slightly similar" MWC schedule:

* 2003 SOS #14 4-8
* 2004 SOS #11 5-6
* 2013 SOS #38 8-5

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

xam

There's no need for BYU to prove anything regarding past rankings.

The fact that BYU was ranked in both polls is proof enough that they deserved to be ranked.

Show me a season where Utah deserved to be ranked, but wasn't.

btw, Utah's BCS busting 2004 team, didn't play a single ranked team during the regular season, in fact, the Utes only played three opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5.

And, Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent finished LOWER in the final AP poll, #25, than BYU's 1984 regular season opponent, Air Force, which finished #24 in the final AP poll.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

This is much ado about nothing. byU will not be playing Bama in 2015, although I really think they should. They're one and only shot at any type of a decent bowl game will be gone on week one, so why not make some money at Bama. They will end up in the exact same bowl game if they lost to Alabama also, so give it a shot.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@phoenix

Boise and TCU had MULTIPLE years of top 10 finishes, both never sniffed a national title game. Your 1984 team would have made a BCS game and most likely got THUMPED, much like the 2007 Hawaii team.

No one cares, specially the ACC and SEC, about what you did in the 70s and 80s, just like no one cares about Yale's football history. Your BCS resume speaks for itself.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!"

Who's hiding behind LaVell Edwards' accomplishments.

Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle

AP Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 4
Kyle 2

11+ Win, Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

In fact, Bronco has MORE 11+ Win, Top 25 Finishes (THREE), than Utah has in their entire history (TWO).

That's all in addition to what LaVell Edwards accomplished.

Unlike Utah, BYU's national caliber football resume began before 2004.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@giantfan
Farmington, UT

Uteology,

I'm confused. Couldn't you say the same thing about all fans hiding behind the accomplishments of the coaches and players of the teams that they root for? And we're not just talking about Lavell Edwards/Norm Chow accomplishments here. How many 11+ win seasons does Kyle have compared to Bronco? Heck, how many does the entire Ute Football history have compared to Bronco? We can go top-25 finishes next, if you'd like.

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Bronco Quested for what Kyle did twice, that's all you need to know about the two coaches.

During the current era that just ended, BCS era:

* BYU has ONE more AP top 25 finish than Utah
* ZERO top 5 finishes
* ZERO undefeated seasons
* ZERO major bowl wins (6-6 overall in bowls)
* Losing record against Utah, TCU, and Boise
* Losing record against P5 teams while playing a mid-major schedule
* Producing lesser talent according to the NFL

Did I miss something? This is where your program is TODAY and ONLY when you have to go back to the early 90s does that change.

No one cares what you did in 30 years ago, for details contact ACC, SEC, and the NFL.

Lacadoodle
LAS VEGAS, NV

Who cares if they lose to all three! Michigan, Alabama, and Nebraska! Exposure would be great and there would be excitement in those games. Recruits would be interested. As an independent exposure and big game opponents is about all BYU can sell to recruits (no conference championship, no P5 BCS access really).

DO IT!!! And just as Utah State or UNLV to come to Provo and then return the favor two years at their place in a row.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"As usual, you hide behind what LaVell Edwards and Norm Chow accomplished. No one cares!"

Who's hiding behind LaVell Edwards' accomplishments.

Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle

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That's your BCS Resume?

BYU's BCS Resume (revised):

* Bronco has more overall accomplishments than Kyle
* No undefeated seasons in the BCS era
* No BCS bowls
* No BCS Bowl wins
* No top 10 finishes (Utah 2, TCU 4)
* Losing record against BCS teams
* Losing record against top-mid majors (3-9 vs. Utah, 2-5 vs. TCU, and 1-3 vs. Boise)
* Losing record against PAC-12 teams in the BCS era (12-14)
* 62% of Bronco's total wins were against teams with a losing record (which explains 11+ wins and no major wins)

worf
Mcallen, TX

Two reasons BYU has a better football team:

* BYU has bowl games--Utes non
* BYU has more national exposure

That's it! Everything else are excuses!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

If Alabama does not ask byU to play them, will DN get a "guest" columnist to write that the reason Alabama did not ask byU is that they were afraid?

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ sammyg

That's fine because I never accused anybody of being jealous. Begs the question, what's your point?

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

You all can cherry pick the stats to make yourself feel good if you like. The only facts that matter are this:

Utah - IN
byU - OUT

Thanks, and have a nice day

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@phoenix

There was no AP top 25 poll in 1984, but if you want to count "others receiving votes" then AF was tied with Notre Dame: #24 Air Force 26, #24 Notre Dame 26. So AF finished tied for #24.

Avg winning margin:
2004 Utah - 25 points
1984 BYU - 21 points

Opponents Win-Lose:
Utah 61-76 (45%)
BYU 66-85 (42%)

Closes Games:
Utah - +14 AF
BYU - +3 Pit (3-9), +5 Hawaii, +3 Wyoming, +5 AF, +7 Utah, +7 Michagon

Conclusion, the 1984 BYU team nor the 2004 Utah team deserved the national title. Utah and TCU playing in a P5 conference has proven how difficult it is to play a real schedule. BYU fans have had a taste of it as well (2003, 2004, and 2013).

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ worf

Usually the team that wins the head-to-head match up is the better team.

Utah is better than BYU because:

4 in a row
9 of the last 12
57-34-4

That is not a one time fluke! That is a trend of Utah consistently beating up on little brother BYU.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

It's laughable how you're to use the same one season accomplishment in a multitude of ways just the hide that fact that Kyle was nothing but a one hit wonder.

Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams, with wins over UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Washington St, Oregon St, Arizona, and Utah.

Kyle is 13-21 versus PAC 12 teams, and after three full seasons in the PAC 12, Kyle still hasn't beaten Oregon or Washington.

Bronco's teams have played in nine straight bowl games, including 2005, when Bronco was rebuilding the program decimated by Crowton.

Kyle's teams have only played in seven bowl games.

Bronco has FOUR consecutive AP Top 25 finishes.

The Utes have never had more than TWO consecutive AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Alabama needs a game. Holmoe is scared. byu is scared. Having to play the cream of a P5 conference would be just too tough.

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