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Published: Friday, May 30 2014 7:04 a.m. MDT

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never break .500
Los Angeles, CA

yeh, ute fans…you don't get it…you knee jerk assume "power 5" teams are all predictably difficult…see Cal, Wazzou, Colo, Az, ….when you take teams like USC, MI, Tx, and Nebraska…those are a little different….surely you can see that? So with a few of the top Power 5 teams, with Boise State, you have a tough September…get it now?

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Rockwell

"Utah certainly doesn't belong in a power conference - the record speaks for itself:

Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes"

BYU - 11
Utah - 2

shush

Don't tell the PAC-12 sticker happy Utes that the conference elevator that they boarded wan't headed to the penthouse, it was only headed to the basement.

On the bright side, they are getting a nice paycheck for losing, bowl less seasons.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@TruthMachine

The truth is, prior to 2013, Utah had NEVER played a Top 40 SOS; BYU has played THREE Top 40 schedules since 2003!

Sagarin Top 40 SOS
2003 BYU #14
2004 BYU #11
2013 BYU #38, Utah #3

Why don't you try using facts once in awhile, instead of your usual label-based hyperbole?

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Still not the same as playing in a P5 conference.

Also, BYU went:

2003 4-8
2004 5-6
2013 8-5

Playing in the MWC and "being home for the holidays" two straight years, then mocking Utah for doing the same in the PAC-12! Priceless!!

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

As usual, you hide behind labels and hyperbole, instead of actual results.

Utah's "power conference" resume is TWO seasons long.

BYU's "power conference" resume is FOUR DECADES long.

Lifetime 11+ Win, AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes

BYU - 11
Utah - 2

1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
2004 Utah(12-0) #4/#5
2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

National Championships
BYU 1
Utah 0

Heisman Trophy Winners
BYU 1
Utah 0

National Individual Award Winners
BYU 15
Utah 0

National Hall of Fame Players
BYU 6
Utah 0

AP Top 25 Finishes
BYU 17
Utah 5

BYU has been a perennial AP Top 25 team since 1977 (17 of 34 seasons - 50%).
Utah didn't even crack the AP poll until 1994.

Bronco has had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes since 2006 (FOUR), as the Utes have had in their entire history (FIVE).

AFCoug
Colorado Springs, CO

Why not make it a game at a nuetral location! This would fill out both schedules and be huge. Similiar to BYU beating Oklahoma in the house that Jerry built. The Superdome in New Orleans would be huge! Call it a home game for Alabama if you want. Reschedule or sweeten a deal with Southern Miss that year or try swap the home and away with S. Miss so they play in Provo next year and at S. Miss in 16.

Of course BYU should only do this if they get a return commitment from Alabama to play in Provo in 16 or 17.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Uteanymous

I bet you have all those stats saved on a word doc so you can always refer to it when your losing an argument.

The fact is the ACC, SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, and PAC-12 have all labeled BYU as a "mid-major". I guess they weren't impressed by BYU's WAC legacy 30 years ago.

Your stats are meaningless especially when BYU loses to their hated rival 4 straight years and 9 of the last 12 years. Utah is just a better team than BYU.

BYU talks about how their the better team, while Utah shows their the better team on the field and let the scoreboard do all the talking.

xam
Provo, UT

What quality teams did BYU beat during the seasons listed below? Teams that actually finished the season ranked. 3-7-1 Pitt doesn't count, nor does 2013 unranked Texas, 2009 unranked Oklahoma, or unranked UCLA.

I'll start the list for you and you can finish it
1- Kansas State 1996
2- ???
3- ???
4- ???

What you will discover is that BYU rarely beat a quality ranked team in the seasons you are propping up.

1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

sammyg
Springville, UT

Uteology

And how many OC's have the Utes gone thru?

Bwaaaaaaaaaah!

Ute memory is a selective thing.

And just so you know... I wasn't thinking pink slips for OCs.

Next level up please... and the fans will call for it... "Mark it down"

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

BYU football is in trouble. They are dealing with NCAA violations, they have been declared irrelevant by the ACC and they are aren't doing anything to get to the elite level (new coach?)
Why would Alabama want to schedule them?
Holmoe has the toughest job in athletics.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Yes, I believe BYU can hang with Bama. 1998 Bama might have been a different team but what's not to say the 2015 version will match up with the recent past? Saying that is like saying the 1998 team should have rolled BYU because of the Bear Bryant days. Get real, teams change, players change, and anything is possible. If BYU doesn't take chances then what is gained? Utah took a chance on the PAC12 and it's been a tough learning curve; but they made the move. Does Utah's success in the 2000s translate to immediate success in the PAC12? Obviously not. Does it mean Utah will remain at the bottom of the conference forever? Certainly not. Why should BYU be any different? If BYU is not shooting for the top then why even sponsor football?

So please don't tell me BYU shouldn't do this based on Bama's recent history.

Jeremy234
SLC, UT

I honestly think that if BYU played Bama the Cougs would lose by 5+ touchdowns, and that's being generous.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"Still not the same as playing in a P5 conference."

More labels and hyperbole.

BYU played much tougher schedules in the MWC in 2003 and 2004, than Utah played in the PAC in 2011 and 2012.

Bowls, SOS and AP ranked opponents
2003 BYU(4-8) #14 (#1, #16, #21) - no bowl
2004 BYU(5-6) #11 (#1, #5, #12) - no bowl
2011 Utah(8-5) #49 (#6) - BOWL
2012 BYU(8-5) #63 (#18, #16, #20, #4, #21) - BOWL
2012 Utah(5-7) #41 (#16, #20) - no bowl
2013 BYU(8-5) #38 (#22, #20, #25) - BOWL
2013 Utah(5-7) #3 (#14, #10, #19, #5) - no bowl

Notice that BYU played a tougher schedule with more ranked teams in 2013, than Utah played in 2012, yet BYU still qualified for a bowl.

Bowl Games after Playing a Top 40 Schedule
BYU 1 of 3
Utah 0 of 1

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

@Uteology - you forget that the 1996 BYU team paved the way for BCS busting. Or maybe you've forgotten all the mess with the Cotton Bowl team that finished #5 and should have been in the BCS. That year helped forge the rules changes to the BCS that allowed for inclusion of previously excluded teams. And while it was great going to the Cotton Bowl it was no BCS game.

ND95CA
Lincoln Park, IL

xam

It's hilarious how Utah fans beat their chests about every P5 team Utah beats, and then claim that BYU's wins versus Texas and Oklahoma don't count as "quality" wins.

What's even more laughable is Utah fans using rankings to measure "quality" opponents, and then claiming that the rankings invalid when it's BYU who's ranked.

Utah fans seem to struggle with the concept that its where YOU finish, not where your OPPONENTS finish, that matters.

Nobody cares if you pull off an occasional upset, like Utah versus Stanford in 2013, if you're not good enough to be ranked or qualify for a bowl.

Bottom line is this:

11+ Win, Top 25 Seasons

BYU - 11
Utah - 2

1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
2004 Utah(12-0) #4/#5
2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
2008 Utah(13-0) #2/#4
2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

BYU was ranked using the exact same criteria used for every other team.

Rose Bowl call yet?
Salt Lake City, UT

Clark

What does this stat tell you?

4-5, 3-6, 2-7

It tells you that a team with only two 11+ win, Top 25 seasons doesn't belong in a P5 conference.

You couldn't even win the PAC South when every other team in the division, except ineligible USC, finished with losing records.

With the other teams improving, Utah's fate as a perennial, bottom-dwelling, bowl less team is sealed.

It's time to stop pretending that you're anything more than shark bait for the big boys of the conference.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

Still waiting for your power conference resume.

Other than your flash-in-the-pan 2004 and 2008 seasons, what season-long accomplishments on a national scale has Utah had that prove that Utah deserves to be in a power conference.

Don't give me upset wins like Appalachian State over Michigan. Don't give me cumulative wins over mediocre teams that happen to be in power conferences.

lixircat
Indianapolis, IN

If we really want the national respect we claim we deserve, then we should not even flinch at playing Michigan, Nebraska, and Alabama. Any Big 10 team who schedules Alabama would have a similar, if not even tougher schedule. If you want a shot at a playoff spot, you accept this schedule.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Good grief, these comments are lame. So...back to the topic.

Alabama has an opening on their schedule and literally looking for someone / anyone to fill the vacancy but Holmoe is too scared to step up to the plate. It's certainly easier for byu fans to talk like they can beat any team in the nation and talk like they belong in the P5 than it is to stand tall and actually take on one of the giants.

byu doesn't belong. Never has...never will. Maybe Provo High is available in 2015. They'll fit in with the rest of byu's schedule just fine.

xam
Provo, UT

ND95CA, The question was, from the list below what teams did BYU beat that finished the season ranked. All impressive legacies have impressive wins.

1979 BYU(11-1) #13/#12
1980 BYU(12-1) #12/#11
1981 BYU(11-2) #13/#11
1983 BYU(11-1) #7/#7
1984 BYU(13-0) #1/#1
1985 BYU(11-3) #16/#17
1996 BYU(14-1) #5/#5
2001 BYU(12-2) #25/#24
2006 BYU(11-2) #16/#15
2007 BYU(11-2) #14/#15
2009 BYU(11-2) #12/#12

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ Rose Bowl call yet?

What does this stat tell you?

4 in a row
9 of the last 12
57-34-4

Head to head Utah OWNS BYU!

The stats you provided are irrelevant to what Utah has done to BYU over the years.

Your a typical BYU fan that hides behind other teams that beat Utah because your team can't get the job done. The PAC-12 has been tough for Utah, but it won't last forever. Eventually Utah will start winning and getting back to bowl games.

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