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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    The Hannity fed criticism of everything all the time, constantly with a mean spirt is obviously wearing thin.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 30, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    @Owen
    Heber City, UT

    Benghazi...

    ==========

    We should just let them go with this one and let them chew on it.

    It will be unto President Hillary,
    as the "birthers" moved was for Obama...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    @Owen,

    Re: Your "Benghazi facts":

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    #1. "no coverup"...

    So... you know where President Obama was, and what he was doing during the eight hours that the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, was under attack?

    If you do... you're the only one. All we know is, he wasn't in the situation room with his generals. But where he actually was... nobody knows.

    If they would just answer that question... it would look a LOT less like there's a cover-up going on (to this day).

    8 hours... that's a full day's work for me. And nobody knows why he never showed up in the situation room during the whole 8 hour situation. Seems like he would find time to wander over and check in.... It's kinda his job...

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    #2. "more hearings than any issue in recent history"...

    Bogus.

    Remember the Valerie Plame investigation? Way more hearings. Scooter Libby actually went to jail for his role in the investigation (but Bush commuted his sentence).

    9/11 hearings? WAY more hearings on that (and rightfully so). But your claim that more hearings have been held on this than any other investigation... just bogus...

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    May 30, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    Benghazi facts: no coverup, more hearings than any issue in recent history, no one hiding from anything. Previous presidents not in the situation room when numerous consulates were attacked.
    IRS targeting fact: both extremes targeted as would be expected from a watchdog, no one hiding from rational inquiry.
    VA fact: problems have existed for decades, exacerbated by lack of planning before embarking on two wars.
    Obamacare fact: Romneycare twin with overwhelming support until adopted by a Dem.
    Facts about Hannity daily "he lied!" talking points: I am not a crook. We didn't trade arms for hostages. No new taxes. Iraq is buying yellow cake and aluminum tubes. Etc.
    Those are facts. So I guess your left with the stupidity of Fast and Furious. Care to measure the impact of that stupid decision to Iraq's death toll?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 29, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    re: Owen,

    It's not the Conservatives who want to hide from Benghazi. It's not the Conservatives who want to hide from the IRS scandal. It's not the Conservatives who want to cover up the deaths in the VA hospitals. It's not the Conservatives who want to disown "Fast and Furious". It's not the Conservatives who refuse to tell us where Obama was when his presence was needed in the situation room. It's not the Conservatives who foisted ObamaCare on us, knowing before hand that everything was a lie.

    In case your memory is short, it was Obama who told us that if we liked our doctor, that we could keep our doctor. It was Obama who told us that if we liked our health insurance plan, we could keep our health insurance plan. It was Obama who told us that if ObamaCare passed that every family in America would save $2,500 per year on health insurance premiums.

    You might want to run and hide from the facts, but they're all out there for everyone to read.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    May 29, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    re: Mike Richards - "...involved in a cover-up concerning Benghazi. ... used the IRS to harass political opposition. ... violated his oath of office and must be removed."

    Close-minded people repeat anything that supports their viewpoint. So many times they only want to hear from others who support their point of view, despite the lack of evidence to support those talking points.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    May 29, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    @Esquire - There isn't anything in Article II of the constitution defining the President's powers and duties that references pushing legislation and writing executive orders to change legislation. Of course, I am aware that most of our past presidents have done so, but like Political Parties it wasn't part of the original plan. Pres. Washington warned against these things, but he went unheeded.

    Those that say that the past presidents HAD to engage in these activities because of Congressional incompetence (or maliciousness) are proving my point that the Legislative Branch has suffered by Executive incursion.

    We would be a lot better off if the Legislature were allowed (and mandated) to get the job done themselves, and let the Executive branch focus on its own constitutional duties.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 29, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    ECR

    The Secret Service always know where the President is. Even when Bill Clinton was being entertained by Monica, they knew where he was and who he was with. And that's why they call them the "Secret" service. They don't and won't talk about anything they know about the activities of Presidents. As for any other people close to Obama, it is possible Obama was out of contact for several hours. And no matter where he or Hillary were, the American people deserve an answer, even if the Democrats don't "WANT" one. One thing we do know for sure, the next day Obama was on Air Force One flying to Las Vegas for a fund raiser. He sure wasn't going to let that opportunity pass because of a little scuffle in Libya, was he.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 29, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    "Every single plan on the insurance market that existed before Obamacare was passed could be kept"

    Kind of a true statement, but like everything with bho and other libs, more deception and lies then truth. Funny thing about this issue, is that in 2013 bho and his regime had to invent another lie, to cover for the original lie. I don't know how you even keep track of all the lies.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 29, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    To "ECR" actually Obama wouldn't have to be clairvoyant to have saved the lives of the ambassador and the security personnel there. He could have read the requests for additional security or he could have listened to the intelligence reports that were out there months ahead of time saying that violence was growing in Benghazi and that the Red Cross, England, and other nations were pulling out.

    So, rather than using the information at hand, what did Obama do? We still don't know where he was during the attack. I would think that if an embassy was being attacked that the President would at least get a phone call. Do you know where the President was during the attack? Don't you think it says something about his character that the story he keeps telling changes and deflects attention away from him?

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    Hey Gary! Can't wait to hear what you think when Hillary Clinton gets elected our next President!

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Coming from Texas, this weak re-hashing of right-wing sour-grapes sentiment doesn't surprise me at all.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 29, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    To "marxist" what has Obama done? According to economists, the financial crisis that we had in January 2009 was over by July 2009. The economy has not improved in 5 years. Is it Obama's job to slow the economy and prevent recovery?

    To "Blue" passing bills is not a sign of success. A successful administration is one that doesn't slow the economy down, and protects its people. It doesn't matter if they pass 10,000 new bills, if those bills slow the economy or harms the people.

    To "Roland Kayser" you do realize that when Obama promised to cut the deficit in half that the average deficit was around $400 billion. Obama has yet to return us to a pre-Obama deficit level. He still has nearly $300 billion to go before he is down to Bush deficit levels.

    To "SCfan" better yet, ask the Obama supporters to explain Obama's latest foreign policy.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    @ gmlewis, promoting legislation and issuing executive orders is part of his job, for crying out loud! Johnson pushed civil rights legislation. Bush pushed the Patriot Act. These are but few of the many examples going back to Washington.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    Teddy Roosevelt just used the bully pulpit to occasionally address the American people? You are kidding, right? He forced Congress to pay for the rest of the unauthorized world tour of the Great White Fleet (our Navy) when he used all funds available to him to get them as far as Japan. He started construction of the Panama Canal without Congressional authorization. Among the list of legislation he presented to Congress includes, consumer protection, meat inspection, conservation, designating national parks and monuments, more teeth in antitrust laws etc. He ended the coal miners strike by threatened military operation of the mines and forcing the owners to meet with the labor union in the White House. Presidents throughout our history have constitutionally exerted far more powers and duties than you have limited them too. They can propose legislation to Congress. Obama has been far less assertive than the presidents like Lincoln, T.R., Wilson, FDR, Truman, Johnson and Reagan.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    May 29, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    VST - There was a BIG difference between our planned mission to capture/kill bin Laden and the attack on the Benghazi compound. In the first one, we attacked someone else. In the second, someone else attacked us. If the present was clairvoyant perhaps he could have stopped the whole attack by being there in the situation before they attacked. Do you see how much sense your comment makes now?

    And just to verify you are saying that "according to one of his staffers" no one knew where the President of the United States was all evening. Now what is the likelihood of that? Just give it some thought.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 29, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Barack Obama will be judged by history as a great president who wrought a revolution in humane health care, brought recovery to a disastrous economy, ended the insane "war on terror," and established a new doctrine of hopeful, peaceful diplomatic leadership in the world. He did all this despite the obstructiveness of the bitterest opposition party since the Civil War, motivated by racism and selfishiness beyond belief. I thank heaven for Barack Obama... a true hero.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    May 29, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    @Esquire and others:

    In my letter, I didn't say that Pres. Obama was the only president who has a problem priorizing time and duties. I think that Pres. Washington was the only president who really understood the appropriate constitutional limits to his office. Ever since, presidents have steadily chipped away at the separation between executive and legislative functons.

    I also didn't condemn Pres. Obama for his liberal views. The issue I am addressing is that he spends a significant part of his time and attention pushing legislation or signing executive orders that modify legislation. He is distracted from focusing on those duties tha rightly belong to the Executive branch.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 29, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    What nonsense! Did the same standards apply to Bush, or to Reagan? Or is this just right wing partisanship, yet again?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    @HaHaHaHa
    Every single plan on the insurance market that existed before Obamacare was passed could be kept. The only ones that couldn't are plans created after Obamacare passed that didn't meet Obamacare requirements. The insurance companies knew when they made them that those would be temporary, unless Obamacare were changed or repealed.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    He also didn't know about... and won't accept responsibility for the long waiting lists (resulting in veteran deaths) at VA hospitals.

    And yet... he wants the VA system to be the prototype for the future for ALL of our healthcare?

    He didn't know about it till it broke in the news. But they were trying to hide it (so I don't totally blame him for that). But now that we know about it... it seems like with this President, the buck stops anywhere but with him...

    Seems like back when Bush was President, people said the buck ALWAYS stops with the President. Even stuff outside his control... like things terrorists did (not something he can control).

    But with this President... the buck NEVER stops with him... and the people who used to say "Regardless of his involvement, the buck always stops with the President, the executive in charge at the time"... now the same people insist the buck must NOT stop with the President... it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault, or another administration's fault.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 29, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    Can any of you bho worshippers name a specific lie that you claim Chris B listed in his post? None! The anointed one is a proven, known liar, and Chris B just scratched the tip of the iceberg on that fact.
    All you leftists want to give bho credit for cutting the deficit. I give him credit for raising taxes, which helped. I will give him credit for imposing the sequester, which is the biggest reason for improved deficit. However, the sequester is like shutting down the government, libs hate to admit their role in it!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Before anybody pretends I said this (because I didn't). I never said the President isn't intelligent. Obviously he is. Just the people around him, who are supposed to keep him informed on current events, don't seem to be doing their job very well.

    It seems like he's always just learning about something important when it shows up in the news papers (like the rest of us). Seems like he should already know about it and be briefed on it and be ready to comment on it (without having to retract that statement later claiming he didn't have the information info at the time).

    If I were him... I'd be VERY mad at the people who's job it is to keep me informed...

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 29, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    Too all the defenders of Obama here. Several questions. If he is doing so well (as your vivid immaginations seem to make you believe) why is he so low in the opinion polls? Why are Democrats running away from Obamacare and much of Obama in general if he is such a successful President? Why is America seen in the world as a weak country by both our allies and enemies? Why are the Democrats looking at losing the House and Senate in a few months? If that happens in the House, it will be the 3rd successful election keeping the T-Party in power. If it happens in both the House and Senate, Obama will become as lame duck as George Bush was after the 2006 elections. If those things happen, as polls show likely right now, then Obama will have left the Democrats in a shambles, just as Bush did for the Republicans when he left office. If this is your idea of a successful President, you can keep him.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    I'm proud to be an American too...

    That said... this President seems to be the least informed President we have had in my lifetime. It's like the people who are SUPPOSED to keep him informed, are actually TRYING to keep him in the dark!

    Seems like every situation, he either claims he knew nothing about it, or he makes a misinformed statement initially, and later has to retract and admit he wasn't informed when he made that statement.

    Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy -
    He came out initially with very harsh comments blaming the police, then later retracted that statement, saying he didn't have all the information at the time he made that statement.

    I suspect the Pew Research poll that found that 41 percent disapproved of Obama's "handling of the situation", while only 29 percent approved, and support from white voters dropped from 53 percent to 46 percent... had something to do with the retraction as well.

    IRS targeting opposition groups - I knew nothing about it..

    Benghazi - I didn't know the details initially (Who said it was a video protest? Where was he when the attack was going on? Still hasn't answered that question)

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 29, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    @Chris B
    Your laundry list of lies, pales in comparison to the last 4 presidents (I'm including Clinton) so nothing special there.
    But I appreciate your trying every day to say something negative against the POTUS, perfection is something you work towards, and Obama is Not perfect, thanks for pointing out his minor errors vs those major ones that got so many Americans killed for?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 29, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Roland Kayser

    You say Obama has cut the deficit in half in 5 years. How is that even important or relevent when during his 5 years the DEBT has risin from 10 trillion to 17 trillion? With numbers like that cutting the deficit is like buying a 400 thousand dollar Rolls Royce, and then claiming you are saving money by putting in "Regular Gas".

  • ECR Burke, VA
    May 29, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Liberal Larry said, "Its hard to understand the deep antipathy that the right holds for President Obama."

    Really? C'mon Larry. You know why. It's because, in their eyes, he's an uppity black man who doesn't know his place in society. It's because he proposes opportunities and programs - education, healthcare, housing, etc. - that only the upper class should have access to. And every time they see his face on TV it reminds them that they are slowly, but surely, losing the status they have held their whole life for nothing more than their name or their race.

    VST wrote, "They operate in a very detached non-functional way." I'm thinking of the pictures taken at the White House Situation Room where the President and his National Security Team sat suspensefully watching Navy Seals carrying our their mission to capture and/or kill Osama bin Laden. The stated evidence from Secretary Gates to others involved say the President considered evidence and arguments from both sides and then made the decision to carry on. It was not detached, it was classic collaboration of the best minds leading to the best decision.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 29, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    How convenient to forget Gary the huge Walter Reed VA scandal under Bush that was uncovered by reporters..not the administration. They were living with rats, and filth while waiting treatment.

    PS sir, if you were at all interested in the truth you would know treatment of wounded veterans has been a scandal after every war including the revolutionary war.

    Of course we've talked about Benghazi until you can hardly get the world out of your mouth, and the impossibility of securing embassies as evidenced by the 13 attacks under Bush and the one single embassy that was attacked under Regan 6 different times. But no let's not talk about how we could better secure our ambassadors, let's spend our time talking about whether the most recent incident was called a terrorist attack or a mob attack in the first twenty four hours. I'm sure the families of the next ambassador or civilian killed in an embassy will be very grateful to you all for making that distinction and at the same time cutting funding for the embassies.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 29, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    @Gary Lewis

    The President also has the duty of chief executive -- taking care that the laws are faithfully executed. Obama has made a mockery of this duty.

    He ignores laws he doesn't like, and uses executive orders and regulatory power to create laws he does like. (I'm talking about this whole business of using his phone and his pen to bypass Congress, which he brags about.) This does nothing but erode the rule of law, replacing it with rule by executive fiat.

    Working through the IRS, Obama is now making up Obamacare as he goes along. As if two thousand pages of new legislation weren't enough, the IRS now issues federal rulings that alter and extend Obamacare, making it virtually impossible for Americans to know from month to month what their obligations are under the law, and having little connection with the legislation approved by Congress. It is rule by making stuff up.

    Soon to come are a set of regulations called "affirmatively furthering fair housing" (AFFH), which will follow the same pattern. There is no way Congress will pass AFFH, but Obama intends to do it regardless.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    To Chris B: "barack told us he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term or he'd be a one term president"

    OK it took him five years to cut it in half. He underestimated by a year.

  • Betcha Waltham, MA
    May 29, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 29, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    What's funny is watching the right flip flop every other week calling Obama a wimpy pushover to dictator and bully.

    Which is it, repubs? It's so difficult to follow you when you're flip flopping so often!

    Furthermore, the letter writer attributes the issues with the IRS to the dysfunction between the executive and legislative branches. Interesting. Now, answer this truthfully, which party vowed to be so obstructionist that they'd make Obama a one-term President? Which party even admitted that his whole job was to hurt Obama politically?

    So how is it Obama's fault when one political party decided to be so obstructionist that they fight against their own ideas? How can our government operate when one political party wants to run the government into the ground so they can finally privatize and profit from it?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 29, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    Congress represents the people and the States, it does not represent the President and it has no obligation to listen to the President. The President MUST execute the laws passed by Congress unless the Court declares those laws unconstitutional.

    Clearly, the President does not understand his duties. He has refused to implement ObamaCare. He is involved in a cover-up concerning Benghazi. He has used the IRS to harass political opposition. If he does understand his duties or if he has misused his office, then he has violated his oath of office and must be removed. (Article II, Section 4) The House has the duty to impeach, which simply means that the House has found sufficient grounds for a trial to be held. The trial is held in the Senate.

    A simple resolution for Obama is to publicly apologize to the nation and then to restrict himself to the duties assigned to him by the People.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 29, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    Well Gary, get ready. I could almost list the posters who will come after you for telling the truth (which to them is disrespect) about the President.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    May 29, 2014 6:47 a.m.

    Its hard to understand the deep antipathy that the right holds for President Obama. He has faced almost unprecedented opposition by a far Right which is careening off into the irrational fringe.

    Every catastrophic "scandal" has turned out to be a unfortunate error followed by unrelenting howling by conservative pundits, most of whom are making a handsome living playing to the hardest of the hard right.

    Despite this President Obama has almost halved the federal deficit he inherited from Bush, he has brought down the unemployment rate from a Bush induced 10% to around 6.3% in April, He has almost completely extricated us from two Bush/Cheney wars. and we are seeing a sharp drop in the number of Americans without healthcare.

    Oh, and did I mention that teen pregnancy, violent crimes, and abortion rates have been falling throughout Obama's tenure?

    Sounds like a pretty good leader to me!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 29, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    Careful there Gary, you're right on the edge of the Earth and if you move any further to the right, you're going to fall right off.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 29, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    Holy Cow!
    If I wanted to listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck - I'd turn on my radio and listen to them...

    What a myopic, 100% biased - I hate Obama - letter.

    If the Do Nothing Congress, and their pitiful 9% approval rating, was doing their jobs - the President wouldn't have to be doing it FOR them.

    Where was this guy for the first 10 years of this Century?

    You'd have thought that after the last administration that the President's job was to --
    start wars over imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction,
    give non-bid multi-billion dollar contracts to your own Vice President's Company,
    wipe out a budget surplus and create a $10 Trillion deficient,
    and
    hand out free TARP bail-outs to your friends and bankers on WallStreet.

    Good Grief.
    Let me guess -- Benghazi?

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 5:32 a.m.

    I'm so proud to be an American.
    We have one of the best presidents in our Nation's history.
    He can't be replaced, but I have no doubt the next president will also be one we can be proud of!

    Can't say that much about the previous administration.
    The problems left by Bush/Cheney will be with us for decades.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 29, 2014 4:35 a.m.

    This letter hits pretty close to the mark. However, not all of these problems or issues stem from bho's self absorbed focus on his arrogant self, and focus on non presidential issues, but he is actually the cause of some of these issues. The IRS scandal doesn't come from his lack of attention, it more likely started with him.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 3:16 a.m.

    We currently have the least productive, most obstructive congress in history, EVER, and yet:

    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
    American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
    Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act
    Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act
    Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act
    Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
    Small Business Jobs and Credit Act
    Food Safety and Modernization Act

    That's a tiny, partial list of the legislative accomplishments of this administration.

    With the exception of the VA, the other "scandals" have proven to be smoke-and-mirrors from FOX.

    And if you think the genuinely scandalous problems at the VA began with Obama, or have nothing to do with 12 years of two foreign wars and chronic, hypocritical underfunding of the VA by Republicans who think that wearing a flag lapel pin is all it takes to say you "support our troops," then you're kidding yourself.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:23 a.m.

    barack told us he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term or he'd be a one term president

    He increased it

    He promised everyone would be able to keep their insurance plan with obamcare

    He was wrong(or he lied)

    He promised everyone they could keep their doctor under obamacare

    He was wrong(or he lied)

    Either barack doesn't understand what he's talking about or he's purposefully lying to all of us.

    Not sure which of those is worse?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    "If he had been attending to the duties of his office, he would have had the time and attention to devote to the issues that are now scandals. " I'm not sure how significant the "scandals" you mention are, I'll wait and see.

    However, let me draw your attention to 2009, the first year of Obama's presidency. As you may recall we literally didn't know where the economic bottom was - the economy was descending like a rock. It was a catastrophe for many. But in the hands of a less resilient personality it could have been terminal. So in 2009, at least, Obama did his job. However I may criticize him, I will always give him credit for that. So should you.