U. plans to use facility at its 'embassy' to downtown, gathering place for leaders
@ rhappahannockWith the amount of animosity the Church has to deal
with just in the state of Utah as it is. I think this is was wise move.It is better to build a bridge in Utah than to make a hole in the ground
in Africa.I have full confidence in the leadership of the Church.
Rhappahannock,rhappahannock,There are no shortages of
universities in Africa. The LDS Church is wise in not building another one. A
quick search on the web reveals the top 100 universities in Africa with at least
one in nearly every country with many more in addition to that list. Many get
foreign money from the U.S. for research projects and scholarships. It seems
the bases are covered. Those that want an education can get one. It is
working. A recent study showed that poverty rates in Africa are dropping
because of education. As stated, the Church provides financial aide to Church
members who apply for it to attend the school of their choice through the
Church's education fund. This is by far the best use of Church funds.
Building another university owned by the Church would be a very risky venture
due to the political instability and many times anti Christian activity in many
of these countries. A Church owned school could be forcibly taken away.
I predict that maybe 10 LDS students a year will attend classes in the Wall
Mansion the LDS church just donated. I would estimate that if the building were
sold for a few million dollars, the church could establish a university in
Africa that would serve 1000 students a year, expanding to 10K within a fairly
short time frame. Huge difference in number of saints served.Where
should the widows mite go? I think the widows mite should go to people who
really need it, not some secular institution that is mismanaging it's
current facilities, as recently reported. It is immoral to waste the resources
that should be used for spiritual goals.Bringing up PR value, this
donation has largely been forgotten mere days later. If the church were to
build a university in Africa, it would be a big positive story for years on how
the church has changed for the better. It is PR that would result in changed
attitudes and open doors, not just another forgotten press release.
rappahannock,I agree with Dutchman. You obviously
don't realize how many members of the Church attend the U and will benefit
from both donations. Until UVU grew to it's current size due to the
overflow from BYU in Utah County, the U of U had the largest LDS Institute of
Religion in the world with thousands of students enrolled each semester. Also,
in response to many member's comments similar to yours, President Hinckley
strongly encouraged members to attend state run colleges where they live and
take advantage of the Institutes of Religion the Church has built near every
university campus in the United States with some in foreign countries as well.
President Hinckley stated that the Church can't possible build enough
schools to educate all its members. So the Church makes donations to quality
institutions to support them in that effort.
rhappahannock,The LDS Church's education mission is worldwide.
As such more emphasis is now placed on supporting members worldwide to get an
education through the financial resources of the Church's education fund
and constructing facilities adjacent to public education campuses rather than
expanding the Church's education system by building expensive facilities in
other states and foreign countries. Members can apply for financial aide and
then attend a local college or university of their choice. Also, the Church has
built and is building institutes of religion in many states and countries
outside the U.S. next to existing public institutions. In conclusion, the
Church can donate to schools like the U and basically walk and chew gum at the
same time. It is a far more efficient use of resources.
Interesting but sad that what I read on this board is not Utah fans bashing the
LDS Church but others taking the opportunity to bash the U of U. Is it because
of some latent jealousy that the LDS Church makes regular donations to the U of
U and that the U has found a prestigious home in the PAC 12 conference? The U
has many buildings on campus named after prominent members of the LDS Church.
That in itself is a significant expression of gratitude. Here is a direct quote
from the former Dean of the Law School, Hiram Chodosh, when the LDS Church made
a donation to the construction of the new law school building like they have to
so many facilities on campus which help further the education of members and non
members alike: "The donation from the LDS Church will support the
college's efforts to construct a building that will produce incalculable
reputational benefits and substantial economic value for the state and the
community," Chodosh said.
runnerguy50, "Thank you" is just a phrase. I think the gratitude of the
U was well communicated in the article by their excitement to have the facility
and their commitment to restore it--which the church, will also appreciate.
Both this donation of a building and the donation to the law school are a waste
of the widows mite. The church should be taking care of it's own
educational institutions where appropriate, and expanding the church educational
system into Africa. The short-term positive PR does not compensate for the
longer-term benefit to members in need.
Lifelong Ute,I understood runnerguy50 perfectly, but I don't
know where he was getting he press release from. There was no link to it in the
article and I don't know of it being made available to the general public.
Generally these comments are in reference to the article they are linked to so I
was merely pointing out that I'm sure thanks were conveyed whether in the
press release or in person. The University of Utah and the LDS Church have a
very good, long standing relationship and the Church has made many large
donations to the University including a recent contribution to the new law
school building. Runnerguy50 just seemed to be trying to stir up controversy
where it doesn't exist.
I agree with Dutchman. Nowhere in the report we see any comment on the U being
grateful to the LDS Church and nowhere we find any information as to the reason
the Church donated such a beautiful and historic building to an institution that
has demonstrated to be so adamant to foster ideologies and lifestyles so
contrary to the very tenets of the Church. While I understand that the Church
won't comment, it would have been very nice although out of the norm for
the U's Spokesman to voice or at least insinuate some minor level of
gratitude to the Church and its members.
What's the definition of a White Elephant? You spend a million here and a
million there and pretty soon you are talking real money.
I loved my time as a student at LDSBC there in the mid 80'S. Met my wife
in the library in the east wing, sad this area will be torn down. It is a
beautiful building and I am glad it will have a new life.
This is a very generous donation by the LDS Church to the U of U. It comes at
about the same time the LDS Church has donated about $5 million toward the new
Law School building now under construction.
@Cats"There is a great deal of irrational hatred at U of U
towards the Church...That's one of the reasons I am a loyal Cougar."-------------I am a die-hard Utes fan regardless of whatever
anti-LDS sentiments some of the students and faculty have. It's best to let
others have their opinions and still offer them a hand of friendship. With
anti-LDS Ute fans that I have met, it works quite well, and most people (with
few exceptions) really do believe in "agree to disagree". Given the
Church leaders' extended hand of fellowship and friendship to the U of U,
my guess is that they agree. Go UTES!!!
That was a pretty impressive donation. Beautiful architecture. It will be a
real gem for the U. Hope it serves it's purpose well. I guess the U of U
was grateful for it... it just never made it to the article. Oversight I
guess...by the author of the story, not the U I'm sure.
I'd be very surprised if the building was in bad shape. It was being used
by LDS BC through '06 and the LDS Church has a long & deep commitment
to respecting historical buildings. They probably just couldn't find a use
for it but wanted to be sure it would be cared for and used in a way that
respected the integrity & history of the building. Regardless of its
condition, I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would have bought
it. After reading comments here and in the Trib. it's too bad some people
can't just be grateful for a generous gift. I'm far from a Ute fan
but am still glad to hear it will be preserved and in good hands.
@Guam BombI would imagine the property could be sold for a lot of
money regardless of its current condition. Even if it were true that the church
were donating it to relieve the maintenance costs the church could still make a
lot of money selling it and still relieve the maintenance costs. Your theory
tries to make it look like the donation is not a charitable donation. But pretty
simple logic refutes that since the property is obviously worth a lot and could
be sold for a hefty price.
The mansion is near and dear to my heart. I am a former student and attended
the LDS Business College from 1973-1974. I applaud the brethren for donating
such a fantastic gift to the U. Church.
RunnerGuy50: I noticed the same thing....no mention that the U thanked the
Church. I am confident they did at some point, but seemingly not in the news
This was a win win for the church and for the U. The Church gets a ton of good
PR and the U gets a historic building. This was also a very shrewd move by the
church. Historic buildings are expensive to maintain. I'm sure the church
has been spending thousands of dollars a month just to keep the building from
degrading. This building needs to be renovated. The U is spending $7 Million to
do that, which is probably about what the current market value is. So it's
going to be difficult to sell as it doesn't make financial sense to
purchase a building that needs that much work. Not to mention the fact that
it's historical significance makes it that much more difficult for a
private owner. So the church saves the upkeep costs on a historic building that
they didn't want any more and gives it to the U who will use the building
to it's highest capacity. Win Win.
I will admit to making some less than glowing comments about some Church
practices/history, but reading a story like this goes a long way toward
increasing my respect, and admiration for the organization. I agree
that the fair market value of this property would be quite high, so it was a
very generous gesture on the part of the Church. I also only have good things
to say about the Church welfare program, and the Deseret Industries program.
These kinds of programs exemplify, at least in my mind, the best of
@MormonUte,You need to re-read runnerguy's comment. He clearly
refers to in the press release. Now you are right that not every word of the
press release appears included here, but nowhere did runnerguy suggest at no
point did anyone ever communicate thanks(as you suggest), just that we
don't see any from the press release excerpts included here. A
giant thank you hopefully was included in every bit of communication between the
two parties - this is an absolutely massive gift and deserves some big time
thanks, so I certainly would hope the press release would be full of thanks to
the LDS church.
runnerguy50,How do you know the U didn't thank the Church?
This is just an article written by a reporter who didn't quote everybody
word for word. I'm sure thanks were expressed directly to whomever
represented the Church at the presentation.
Great news. This building would be too big for a family and not the right shape
for most businesses. But the University is a perfect fit for it.
Mark my words, there will be those who criticize the LDS Church for giving this
building to the U. It seems there is a growing population that spend most of
their time criticizing the Church no matter what. When this story is reported
on the Trib there will be critics, guaranteed.This is a wonderful
gift of a historic building that will benefit the U.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it strange that the U didn't thank
the Church in it's release ?
This is very kind and generous of the LDS Church. Thank you!
What a gift. The true market value of this place would be many millions. Proud UteProud Pac 12 member