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Published: Tuesday, May 27 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Universities and their students are entirely within their rights to reject speakers they find objectionable.

America is hardly a place where people seek out speakers of opposing view points and invite them to speak at their functions.

When's the last time a church invited Richard Dawkins to give the sermon, and I'm still waiting for the Beef Council to have the head of PETA as their annual banquet speaker.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Well,
If that isn't the eptiome of the pot calling the kettle black?...

dave
Park City, UT

Open Minded Mormon, Bravo. Done in one.

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm w/ omm and dave on this.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

I remember back in 2004 when UVSC (now known as Utah Vally University) invited "liberal" film director Michael Moore to come and speak. Long time posters like Mike Richards spoke out in favor of censorship then. He talked about how Moore didn't "represent" the morals of people in Utah. And that public funded schools had a right to censorship.

This became a national issue. In fact, a fantastic book was written about it. Everyone should read, "Free Speech 101: The Utah Valley Uproar over Michael Moore."

Now suddenly, he's against it, why?

What changed?

Why would Mike Richards be for censorship in regards to Mike Moore but be against it when it comes to Condi Rice?

Anyone care to explain?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@larry,
Why would our Secretary of State be offensive to them? Because she served under Bush?

Why would Rice being allowed to speak... be "offensive"?

She's a very intelligent, black, woman... what's "offensive" about that???

She's a very talented and accomplished person. What's "Offensive" about that??

She stretched the same glass sealing Hillary Clinton keeps talking about... both made it to the same level (Sec of State). But one is VERY acceptable speaker... while the other is "Offensive"...?

Seems like a shallow (partisan) reason to choose to be offended by her presence at your graduation...

These kids could learn to have a thicker skin, and this time in college is a good time for them to learn and develop that thicker skin, that would allow them to hear opinions they don't agree with 100%... and let people speak who OTHER people at the University want to hear (SOME students at the University wanted to hear what Rice had to say... but these loud intolerant people who didn't want to let her speak FORCED the other students to not be able to hear what she might have said). Hint... That is the definition of "intolerance".

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

liberal larry and company,

Rejecting speakers who you disagree with is okay, so book burning is okay too, as long as it is any book you disagree with? That is indoctrination. You would decry this if it were, say, religious indoctrination, but as long as it is secular, and socialist, you are okay with it. In other words, you only want to hear what you think.

You are the ones Mike is talking about, with good reason.

Mike does speak up for conservatism, and always well supports his viewpoints. That must be hard on your narrow view.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Open Minded Mormon,
So... no defense of the intolerance? Just "they did it so we can"?

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Cliches are nice, but... How is this "the pot calling the kettle black"?

Can you give us instances when conservative Universities or conservative students prevented honorable Democrat's from speaking at their graduation?

Even ultra-conservative UVU and BYU have allowed controversial Democrats to speak at their University. So it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison (to throw in another cliche)...

If you have instances where conservative students prevented Democrats from speaking at their University... it WOULD be the pot calling the kettle black. But if not... it would be an ironic use of the cliche...

Please give us the instances you were thinking about... where conservative students prevented Democrats from speaking at their graduation...

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

There is a cycle of failure that appears in societies no matter how the start up, they end up in turmoil.

Societies, thus far, have always become top heavy with the wealth more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer people. When the oppression becomes so intense the people at the bottom, with nothing to lose, revolt and start the whole process over again.

We are at the point where the oppression is becoming unbearable. Without a way of letting off steam and relieving the pressure, we are heading for a restart. A more democratic voting system would help. Without a way for people to control their government they will seek others ways of relief.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

FreedomFighter41,
You need to read the book you referenced. Some students did protest... but UVU did not give in. That's the difference. The liberal schools gave in to the protesters and wouldn't allow Rice to speak. Michael Moore did speak at UVU (despite the protests).

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The students have the right to protest (that's obvious). But the issue is the school giving in and not allowing people from one side of the spectrum so speak (when some students wanted to hear what she had to say) because of some loud intolerant protesters.

And yes... the protesters at UVU were also showing intolerance. But a difference... Michael Moore was making a profession out of attacking our President, stretching and bending the truth to make him look as bad as possible, and trying to affect the election. Condie Rice didn't do that. All she did was serve this country and the President at the time honorably.

You have to admit that she's a pretty accomplished woman. But just because she's the wrong party, and her history as Sec of State for the wrong President... she gets black-balled at Liberal Universities???

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

conservatives seem so intent on ignoring the difference between someone speaking or taking part in a debate at a university and giving the commencement speech. Typically, the commencement speech is not going to dive deeply into that individual's personal opinions as the speech is most likely directed at providing advice, etc... to the recent grads.

Condi Rice was not uninvited for her opinions or for what she was going to say (the students had no idea what her commencement speech was going to be about) - rather she was unwelcome due to her actions, her life. Essentially, the student body voiced their opinion (free speech) to let the faculty know that they did not deem her life as one worth honoring.

2bits - This SoS was offensive to them, and many of us, because she lied to the American people and government officials in order to facilitate a war that killed hundreds of thousands of human beings, including thousands of American servicemen and women. Think of the throngs of families that were visiting grave sites yesterday due to Condi Rice's actions. There is nothing reputable or honorable about such a person.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Can you give us instances when conservative Universities or conservative students prevented honorable Democrat's from speaking at their graduation?

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That's too,
so I'll even top that --

How about fellow Mormon Senator Harry Reid needing to cancel speaking at an LDS Stake Youth Fireside because of Death Threats?

Henderson
Orem, UT

College students have a right to speak out. This is an open and shut case. College students absolutely have a right to speak out.

No one is advocating censorship. The colleges didn't cancel the speakers, the government didn't force the speakers to withdraw, and the speakers could have still given their speeches. In fact, the speakers cancelled. They used their free speech to cancel. No harm no foul, right? It's right wing media that is trying to make martyrs out of these people and make it sound like colleges are somehow close-minded to conservative speakers.

I guess the right is trying to do anything to take the focus off their lack of ideas!

Denying college students their first amendment rights seems to be a top priority for conservatives these days. For some reason they're fearful of what the young and informed think and feel. Is it because they're not stuck in the same tired and failed traditions and policies conservatives are obsessed with?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@2bits --
Please give us the instances you were thinking about... where conservative students prevented Democrats from speaking at their graduation...

8:56 a.m. May 27, 2014

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I’ll see your bet, and raise…

How about fellow Mormon Senator Harry Reid cancelling an LDS Youth Fireside due to Death Threats?

BTW -
What do you expect from a bunch of now College educated graduates,
who see a Political Party who is becoming more and more --
Anti-Science, Anti-Tolerant, Anti-Education, Anti-Choice, and Anti-Socialist?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@2bits
"Why would our Secretary of State be offensive to them?"

Condi was considered partially responsible for lies getting us into a war where a few thousand Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis died. Granted I wouldn't be opposed to her speaking, but others are for that reason.

"Way more deaths when Clinton was SoS than when Rice was SoS"

That's completely false.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

"Way more deaths when Clinton was SoS than when Rice was SoS.... and I'm pretty sure she's going to make a TON of money speaking to the exact same people who shut down Rice's speech..."

And conservatives wonder why no one takes them seriously anymore?

Condi was in the Bush administration from 2001-until Obama won.

She was SOS from 2005-08. Far more Americans died on her watch than Clinton's. In fact, 2007 we lost more Americans than from 2008-present day. In fact, over 900 died in 07. That's 225 Benghazi's.

Speaking of which, under Rice's watch, we saw 13 Benghazis resulting in over 90 deaths.

Where were conservatives then? Why didn't we question her about those attacks?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

When you have an open mind, people keep trying to throw garbage in it.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

"The Cabinet contains no one with extensive business experience"? How about Sec. of the Treasury Jack Lew who was head of operations for Citigroup, Sec. of Commerce Penny Pritzker who founded and ran three major companies, and Chuck Hagel who made his fortune in the cell phone business, etc. etc. ????
This letter is fact free . . .

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

To those of you using the Harry Reid canceling speaking at an LDS meeting or Michael Moore at UVU, lets look at the facts.

Other than Harry Reid canceling due to death threats, we know nothing about what was going on. We don't know who the threats came from. For all we know it was a uber left wing Union boss posing a security risk.

As for Michael Moore, the controversy start with the huge fee that Moore was going to charge. The student government didn't want to spend that much. Plus, as the DN article points out, it was Moore that approached UVSC.

To "FreedomFighter41" actually we didn't see 13 Benghazi type incidents under Rice. The issue with Benghazi isn't the attack, but the outright lies and coverup by the Obama administration. Had they been honest from the beginning and called it a terrorist attack and praised the valliant soldiers that died, this would have been like the incidents under Rice. Instead the administration made excuses and blamed a YouTube video.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"The Cabinet contains no one with extensive business experience"? How about Sec. of the Treasury Jack Lew who was head of operations for Citigroup,...

No wonder this admin is so messed up. Citigroup was a major recipient of bailout money, Billions of dollars of it.

So what you are saying we have people experienced in driving businesses to bankruptcy in the administration. And Irony guy is proud of this?

Great, just great.

But it does explain so much!

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