Sounds enchanting, but not the world's first adventure park. Although not
fantasy-oriented, Singapore has an entire adventure island -- Sentosa.
Sorry for being skeptical, but if I've ever seen a recipe for financial
disaster, this is it. Good luck to the investors, who seem to have money to
burn. At least bring along some marshmallows.
This is a great idea. It's easy to be skeptical, and hard to make
something great--but it can be done. Disneyland, in CA or FL, doesn't have
perfect weather; it's often too hot there--and they are overrun. People come to Utah from all over for the slopes and the Parks. Some of them
would love to stop by something unusual and impressive; the price sensitivity
isn't that high. Their is demand for creativity and immersion. A few
rides would be very helpful; and they can be pretty cheap. Winter could
still be very fun; what else is going on to compete?
This has very seasonal attractions, winter, christmas, halloween, etc. the man
behind this has plenty of money sense, he is the zero water creator. And for the
detractors that say restaurants and gift shop only you have not researched it.
There is a hotel, castle, joust, Santa Workshop, halloween scare town, Train,
Pirate Ship, all changing with the season. This is a great idea, just as Walt
Disney had. Everybody said he was nuts, it's the crazy ones that make it
work.Go for it guys, we nuts will follow....
>So . . . It's kind of an alternate universe?>. . . Like FOX
"NEWS?"Hey, don't complain.It could be like CNN
or MSNBC: dark, empty space void of anything real at all.
@GaryOVirginia Beach, VA" . . . a combination fantasy land
and adventure park, staffed by professional actors who will help visitors
immerse themselves into stories, mystery and magic."So . . .
It's kind of an alternate universe?. . . Like FOX
"NEWS?"1:33 p.m. May 30, 2014==== Brilliant!LOL!ROTF!!Thanks for making my whole
" . . . a combination fantasy land and adventure park, staffed by
professional actors who will help visitors immerse themselves into stories,
mystery and magic."So . . . It's kind of an alternate
universe?. . . Like FOX "NEWS?"
"If you build it, they will come."There is magic in any story that
you tell and I know that as long as stories are central to the experience then
it will be a success. Its on the right track by involving actors to guide
someone through an experience and comparing this to Disneyland is apples to
oranges in my opinion. This would be a different experience and if its anything
like his (Ken's) halloween bashes then it'll do well.Also,
I hope that Ken Bretschneider reads these comments because I have experience in
this area and I'd love to help develop this idea but I haven't found a
way to contact him yet. Any suggestions?
I tend to agree that there needs to be some "movement" rides in the
park, and it should try to be open for all seasons. Nothing better than getting
completely wet on a hot August day. Or having a reason to wear that North Face
parka in December besides going to the market. Or to have one of the scariest
Holloween haunts this side of Knotts Berry Farm. Or creative Christmas
displays. And maybe some really good unique food (unlike Disneyland where you
pine for McDonalds) that will keep people returning. This may not become a
nationwide destination like the major theme parks, but is could be a successful
regional one. If done right, this glass just might be half full. I hope it
While I would love to see this be successful, call me sceptical for all of the
reasons mentioned by Kora and others. Remember the big luxury ski resort to be
built in Beaver, or the major development in Lehi with the Frank Gehry designed
50-story office building? Those were both announced with great fanfare and
hundreds of millions of dollars in backing, yet where are they now?
Unfortunately, I see the same future for this project, or at best a mini
Let's see...Say we lived in Iowa, or Chicago.We have
$2,000 for a family vacation.Disneyland, Calfornia Adventure, The
Beach, Mexico, Universal Studios, San Diego Zoo, and perfect weather year
round...or Pleasant Grove, Utah.I can't
see this being anywhere NEAR a destination vacation...The old 49th
Street Galleria comes to mind - and it was INSIDE.
A few scanty details in a newspaper story and already the letters are going on
at length about why it can't/won't work. I have no idea whether this
area can support a theme park, but I'll wait for more information before I
make pronouncements about its likely success or failure.
To me, this sounds like Disneyland, if it only had Tom Sawyer's Island,
Cinderella's castle, and Main Street. Seems like the kind of place that
will lure grandparents to take the grandkids to, and they will be bored out of
I hope it works and I wish them well. I just remember Heritage Mountain that
was going to be European villages at the base of a great ski resort in Provo.
They tried for years and it never happened. It was going to be cultural as well
as the ski resort. It would have been great, but it never came together. They
tried for at least twenty years to put something together there . I guess it
just wasn't meant to be.I hope these guys have better luck. No
one ever believes in the dreams of dreamers until it happens. I hope they make
Reminds me of Busch Gardens Europe in Virginia (recently changed to Busch
Gardens Williamsburg).The winter season is only open at night
through January, closed Jan 5-April 15.In the winter it's not a
full day activity so tickets are only around 24.00 per family, but if it's
not snowing all three of their roller coasters are operating. We did it in 25
degree weather at night.Besides, at Tokyo Disneyland, they ride
Thunder Mountain even while it's snowing.Of course, Utah is no
market compared to Virginia or Japan.
If this is like CityWalk at Universal, with a lot of exciting restaurants in a
great environment, with free admission, then I could totally see myself taking
my family there a couple of times a year. But I would never pay $200 to take my
family to a park that only has restaurants, gift shops and actors inside. There
is no "amusement" in a dressed up shopping mall, which is what this
I hope the park creators realize why many in this area are skeptical. For one
thing, it's not Disneyland, and should not be compared to it. It's
less than one tenth the size. After decades of hearing about a ski
resort in the mountains above Provo, that turned into housing in the foothills
and a water park, it's hard to get excited until it exists. Maybe a Led Zeppelin LARPing area should be added?
You don't need rides to have an amazing entertainment experience! Think
about Halloween Haunts and viewing beautiful Christmas lights (the entire
experience of immersive theatrical entertainment and seasonal celebrations).
This park looks like it will wrap these experiences into one gorgeous
attraction! I mean all of this in a Victorian, fantasy based setting, it sounds
magical! Also, from what I've read, there will always be new events, so it
will remain entertaining year after year. I love it, Utah needs something like
this, it sounds like a blast!
What's easier?...Collecting $100 million of investors money and
not making good [aka, Solyndra]orActully pulling this off?Think -- Aneheim California -- 72 degrees, sunny 365 days a
year.Orlando Florida -- 72 degrees, sunny 365 days a year.vs.
Utah.110 degrees - June - Aug.-12 degrees - Dec -
Feb.Take a hint -- Lagoon has had over 110 years to build up
to what it is today.and it can only be open April - OctoberBest of Luck...
They had a display at the fan experience recently in Salt Lake City that was
pretty impressive. It is a very grand idea but statistically the comiccon that
is held here in Salt Lake City is the third largest nationwide and it has only
been held one time with the fan experience being held a month or so ago.
Attendance was overwhelming. I think they have a very good audience here in the
state and stand a good chance of attracting a lot of in-state visitors as well
as out-of-state visitors to this attraction once it is fully developed. Entrance
fees will definitely be the issue. all we can hope that they make allowances for
those of us who are local to Utah and charge more for out of state visitors just
like Disney does.
Love the idea. I like the 3 season concept but you've got to include some
type of motion rides to keep visitors returning. I would definitely pay to see
this place but I wouldn't pay crazy prices north of $50 per visitor. As
long as fees are kept at a reasonable price point, Evermore stands at giving
Lagoon some competition. Can't wait to see the finished product!
Wish him well but I am not holding my breath on this one.
Disney theme parks have one primary objective..."Fun-In-Motion". If
"Evermore" is a static walking/visual experience they can expect minimal
recurring revenue through repeat visitors. Visual attraction action is a losing
concept in the world of entertainment. An additional $150 million in private
equity is not going to happen, especially in a non-destination location such as
I think the odds of this being as big as claimed is slim to none based on past
experiences. Something may be built, but it will not be as big as Disney or even
Lagoon. Lucky to be as popular as Seven Peaks or Thanksgiving Point.There are always these announced grandiose plans for theme parks or other
large projects of a similar ilk, and they rarely materialize they way they are
sold, if anything happens at all.The planners usually end up struggling to
get the funding because they can't show proof of concept and ability to
actually make a profit, and these large projects lose money for a few years
before becoming profitable if they do, and the investors need to be willing to
watch and wait.I lived in Arizona, and every few years someone comes
along with these great plans to build a Six Flags style park, and it always
disappears, never to be heard from again after all the fanfare and excitement. I
have seen this happen probably a half dozen times at least. And that is a much
larger service population than Utah by far to support a large project.Just my opinion.
I don't want to seem like a downer here... but if all they are having are
shops and restaurants, I am not sure I see many paying an entry fee (if they
have one). They need attractions/rides. Otherwise we can just go to the Orem
Adventure Park (mall) for free.
How much in tax incentives is he looking for from Pleasant Grove, Utah County
and the State of Utah?I don't know what Lagoon costs for a day pass,
but if they can keep the pricing in line with them, I think they have a shot at
"Farr said he knows Bretschneider's reputation for success and believes
he can create a high-quality, Disneyland-quality experience."=============Sounds like a nifty idea and ideally situated in Utah
county. One thing I hope they **won't** make like Disneyland is a sky-high
entrance fee. If they can manage to build this and charge a reasonable fee to
enter, I think and hope it will be a big hit.Stimulating
people's imagination outside of video games is becoming more important
Now THIS would be cool!Teh best part, in my opinion, is the ghost
pirate ship. When I was a kid my brothers and I spend hours and hours and
h-o-u-r-s jumping on our trampoline in Phoenix, AZ as we made up and acted out
stories of pirates and buried treasure. We did this for years, well into our
pre-teen years. Imagination is where great things always start. If this guy
can capture on that idea, the idea that kids AND adults love to imagine,
he'll make untold millions. Walt Disney believed in that possibility and
look at what that got him.Knowing just a little bit about how much
effort it requires to go from an idea to an actual physical structure being
completed, I think his timeline (summer 2015) is a little aggressive but I would
ABSOLUTELY pay money to see this the next time I'm in Utah.Dream! Imagine! Go for it!