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Published: Friday, May 23 2014 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Reno, NV

I completely disagree. BYU fans and beat writers, look at the schedules for 2016 before you state your case that all is well. Like I have said before, BYU has 2 home games scheduled for 2016!! The middle of the schedule is full of TBD. Who is going to go to LES in Oct? BYU is scrambling to fill a home schedule for 2016 while everyone else's schedules are complete.

Someone do the research and prove me wrong, even possibilities would do.

It won't be long before Savannah State makes another trip to LES.

Head in the sand!!

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

BYU should not take offense at the policy of the ACC and SEC. The Mountain West Conference saying the same thing is another matter. Now that's a real slap in the face.

armchair quarterback

Can't deny the facts. Those are some pretty solid arguments. So what are other possible reasons behind the snub? History of conference affiliation? Perception vs reality?

Anchorage, AK

I think those conferences overlooked BYU because they know BYU is good, and now that they've stated BYU is not a quality opponent, a loss to the Y will do more damage than good. One only needs to look as far as Miami to see why these teams don't want to play the Y.

West Point , UT

Thank you Mr Robinson for a thorough and well thought out presentation of BYU football over the last 40 years. Unfortunately the SEC and other Power 5 conferences just don't care. CFB is about money now, not competition on the field. Just ask such powerhouses as Rutgers and Maryland. CFB is simply becoming minor league developmental football now...it will be about as amateur as AAA baseball in the next couple years.

As for the SOS argument which is why these conferences are requiring the extra game against a P5 program, it's ridiculous that a team can schedule Wazzu or Indiana and that is thought of as meeting the requirement but BYU isn't. So Kansas will be ok, but BYU? Nope...what a joke. And don't give us the "well they would have to exempt BSU or Wyoming too". No...BYU isn't a P5 member but neither are they a G5 member. They also have a much lengthier history of success to show stability than any other G5 program. I just want BYU in a conference again. The independence experiment has been fun but it's obvious it won't be viable in the long term.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

If it would have little impact, why was Tom Holmoe so anxious to meet with the SEC Commissioner? One school already stated they discontinued talks with BYU to schedule a series. Yes, it has had and will have an impact.

Chris B. 4 Prez!
Salt Lake City, UT

Teams don't want to schedule the Y, because it's not considered a quality opponent in the modern era. PhilRM's comment, "One only needs to look as far as Miami to see why these teams don't want to play the Y." If you're reaching that far back into the sands of time, then desperation has already sunk in. Similar to the content of this article, grasping at straws. Spin it any way you want: playing the Y is not considered a quality home/road win.

A season full of cupcake victories doesn't stack up much in the grand scheme of things. So you squeaked into the top 25 by season's end again. You get a star. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back, but the reality is, teams are looking for programs who do more than eliminate the weak opponents year in and year out, but falter to the big boys more often than not. Just like you advise "little brother" beat some quality opponents on a consistent basis, and then we'll talk.

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

spot on by Robinson. if 311ute is so concerned about BYU's 2016 schedule, maybe he or she can research which Power 5 schools still have openings left for 2016. How many are there - 10 + or 20 + or 30 +? Sure BYU would enjoy the stability of Pac-12 or Big 12 membership, but just because they don't have it does not mean the sky is falling.

Salt Lake City, UT

Now if the Utes can just beat some quality opponents and go to some other bowl than the "rump on the bump sofa bowl" then we local football fans will be happy. Better yet if BYU can manage to beat a few more quality opponents than they have lately we then will be content.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

I've said a few times, but it is still true:
BYU has only 1 Power conference school scheduled to come to Provo in the next 3 seasons (Virginia).
You may get a few good road games, but can't get anyone to come to Provo. There are later a few good teams scheduled to come to Provo later this decade, but all are after BYU visits there place.
Remember BYU scheduled a 2 for 1 with Notre Dame. BYU went to South Bend 2 years in a row and Notre Dame now has no plans on coming back to Provo.
Other teams could do same thing.

caleb in new york
Glen Cove, NY

Notre Dame's leadership has said they plan on fulfilling their 2 commitments to come to Provo. They are just taking their time due to serious scheduling issues and BYU is graciously giving some patience.

Salt Lake City, UT

I think the thing with leaving BYU out was based on... well do you start making exceptions for every high ranking non-P5 school (Northern Illinois for instance?).

Rankings (human or computer) are smart enough to separate BYU from Akron and schools like Georgia Tech have scheduled BYU alongside a P5 school (Georgia in GTs case) in a 4 game out of conference schedule.

Even Utah which has no such mandate and only 3 games to work with but still has a Michigan, Fresno State, and Utah State ooc in 2015. Ironic since it's devoid of BYU, but that's the sort of set BYU wants to see from teams and probably will see (on a related not, I just realized Utah has 11 potentially difficult games that year...). The hard part will be the same as before, filling out the schedule in weeks where most conferences are locked into conference play. It does look like some of the PAC games in out years will help (junctioning them in weeks when USC or Stanford is playing Notre Dame leaving an odd PAC team out who needs an opponent or a bye).

Salt Lake City, UT

Des News doing damage control.

Robinson states:

"They made one exemption: Notre Dame, an independent, will count as one of those games, as well.

Nobody said anything about BYU, and that was the problem. Notre Dame received the official anointing of two powerhouse conferences — but BYU, the other major independent, was ignored."

The way this is written makes it appear that ND has exactly the same status byu does...fully independent. They don't. ND saw the futility of independence a couple of years ago and did something about it. byu? Still thinks they don't have to play by rules.

byu has no one but themselves to blame for this mess but the local media is along for ride to keep the fire stoked.

Is independence not everything promised? Who's to blame for that?

Not the SEC or the ACC.

Salt Lake City, UT

"The ACC and SEC policies will have a minimal impact on BYU. For one thing, the Cougars rarely play their teams. During the nine-year Bronco Mendenhall era, the Cougars have played only seven games against ACC schools and one game against an SEC school (3 wins, 5 losses)."

Then why did Holmoe feel compelled to kick the proverbial hornet's nest? I thought schedule any team and play anywhere and everywhere was the current byu mantra. There must be a lot of discontent in cougar nation.

"During the next decade, the Cougars are scheduled to play 26 games against 14 Power 5 schools, and the schedules have not been completed yet, meaning there could be more. The opponents include Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin, USC, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Cal and Notre Dame."

You left Utah off the list...Lol.

Independence rocks!

Greenwood, IN

As far as openings that other Power 5 conference teams have in 2016, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Boston College, Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, NC State, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Ga Tech, Miami, UNC, Pitt, Rutgers, California, Washington, Arizona, Colorado, Southern Cal, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M all have at least one out of conference opening, some have multiple, and a few like Alabama have yet to schedule any OOC games for 2016.

Salt Lake City, UT

Failed Marketing.

"BYU, the Notre Dame of the West!" was a big flop along with New Coke, the Ford Edsel, and Sony Betamax. You say snubbed, but in truth consumers (SEC, ACC, etc) aren't fooled by the new product. They know that independent BYU is the same as MWC BYU with a higher cost.

Understand your customers. Understand your product. Understand your capability. Business 101.

Reno, NV

Looking back at recent BYU vs ACC schedules:

Florida State (2009-2010): In addition to the annual UF rivalry game, they had Oklahoma in 2010.
Virginia(2013-2014): Had Oregon last year, and has UCLA this year.
Boston College in 2006 and 2008 had no Big 5 OOC games.

Oddly, BC is one time Bronco had his sights on, but the FSU and UVa schedules would be totally workable in the new scheme. Much ado about nothing, IMO. If anything, this opens up more games against the better teams that are also left out, in addition to Army and Navy, which Bronco has been interested in playing.

Mission Viejo, CA

Trolls: you make me laugh. You want so much to see BYU fail, you jump on every rumor and clap your hands with glee. Funny thing is that Utah is failing every season. I'm sorry, conference bottom feeder is not success.

As for the hysterical BYU fans, I say, again, there is nothing different today. We'll still play those guys. Do you really think they can fill their schedules with nobody but themselves? Suppose they do separate from the NCAA and just play themselves, pay their players, and ignore the other 300 or so teams?

How soon will schools like Utah, WSU, OSU, Iowa, et al. go broke trying to keep up with the 20 or so rich teams.

Not gonna happen.


Wow, I am impressed by the many Ute fans commenting on BYU articles! I doubt Ute articles receive more BYU fan comments than Ute comments.

Thanks for your time and effort, good to know BYU is still front and center for you!

Salt Lake City, UT

So many insecure utes on a BYU comment board. Please continue to comment, it means so much that you care.

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