Published: Friday, May 23 2014 7:21 a.m. MDT
Wow. Just WOW. - this hits every major issue with today's GOP
and nails them all PERFECTLY - How did she get this in the DN? (I applaud
the DN for posting. THey gonna get some pushback)"It promotes
politicians whose comments constantly offend the educated observer"She left out the pettiness that seems to play so well with the base. Palin
perfected it and others are now right there. Hold up a gun and the
crown goes wildQuestion Obamas birth certificate and its a winnerThreaten nuclear war and get an ovationThey are easy applause
lines and work every time.Its like "potty humor" to elementary
school kids. How about this GOP. Grow up.
"Conservatism... values intelligence, education and high culture."Well there's the whopper of the day.Try to get a
contemporary conservative leader or candidate for high office to talk about the
age of our planet or biological evolution and watch them run for the nearest
exit.They'll fall all over themselves endorsing STEM education,
but ask them about global warming and they start spouting gobbledygook.High culture? Ask today's GOP leaders how they feel about the NEA and
the NEH.Face it, today's GOP is fully in the thrall of the Tea
Party, a retrograde, fundamentally anti-intellectual movement within which
intelligence, education and culture are held in deep contempt.
Outstanding. Thank you for stating the truth in such eloquent and pragmatic
terms. Another essay in this morning's paper discusses Senator
Hatch's long record of reaching across the aisle to work together for the
good of the people. Dare I say that was the mindset of most members of Congress
- Democrats and Republicans; liberals and conservatives - until the beginning of
this century. Honorable men and women waged honorable battles in the halls of
Congress to promote their particular ideology but in the end, it was the
American people's interests that they tried to represent. And yes, I will
admit, that is an optimistic analysis of days gone by. But I believe the
comparison between those those and our current state of affairs relating to our
elected officials will show a stark contrast in attitudes and accomplishments.
An honest examination of who and what we are, such as this essay offers, will go
a long way to resolving some of the ills that currently stop our country from
progressing in to the future.
Are Republicans Conservative? Well . . . yes and no, but mostly no.Republicans are "Conservative."And Modern
"Conservatism" is a distorted representation of true Conservatism.It's like a misproportioned cartoon compared to a portrait.Modern "Conservatism" is a cruel caricature of true
Conservatism. It's a grotesque rendering that greatly accentuates the most
peculiar, unfortunate, and unkind characteristics inherent to Conservatism,
while it minimizes the decent, sensible, and attractive qualities.Modern "Conservatism" is a malformed, deformed, distorted, twisted,
gnarled, mangled, misshapen, hideous representation of true Conservatism.And tellingly, its adherents can't tell the difference.
Mary Barker's article is a MasterPiece!This is beautiful - and
it hit the nail right square on the head!FYI -- The Republicans --
commandeered by the radical Tea-Party - comes across more like the villagers in
Monty Python and the Holy Grail with it's "witch" trial, than
pragmatic, problem solving, sitdown with both sides to issues, share opposing
views, and plan an intelligent solution, Statesmen.Jon Huntsman Jr.
is the closest "conservative" the GOP has, and look how they treat him.
When I think of conservatives, Teddy Rosevlet comes to mind. Which is why it
has become more and more difficult to support today's GOP. Any party that
hands it microphone over to radicals like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz or intellectually
chanllenged politicans like Sarah Palin or Michelee Bachman has lost my support.
The GOP won't win back the WH until they win back their party.
Great op-ed. Thank you for providing the political theory backdrop. The GOP has
strayed far from his philosophical and historical roots.
Let us be clear. The conservative tradition is being ruined by notions of
political correctness.Political correctness is an outright ban on
any speech, writing, thought, or even idea that might be the least bit
offensive. This has led to the even more false I notion that, because someone
has the right to be free from any offense, no one has the right to express ideas
that any possible person could possibly take offense at.The current
administration in Washington has put enormous pressure on universities to
silence all speech and writing that does not meet the administration's view
of what is politically correct. This includes any speech or writing which
supports traditional moral values.How ironic that the dogma of
political correctness has been used as a sword to attack all dissenting
viewpoints. Indeed, only one view is given freedom of expression. Too many
conservatives have allowed themselves to be silent in the face of this attack.
Somebody call the brethren, a SL Trib piece was accidentally published in the
DN. Common sense and restraint? That's not the conservatism that we know in
Utah. We know under-the-table dealings, deference toward the wealthy, blaming
the poor for their circumstances, and high minded self-righteousness. Why is
this lady trying to rock the boat?
Ms. Barker knocked this one out of the park. In conjunction with the judicial
opinions coming out of the SSM debate, this gives me hope that America does
still house the kind of thinking that is grounded in "concrete reality; what
is happening right in front of our eyes." This doesn't preclude
anyone's speculations about or need for something beyond the concrete. It
just puts things in their proper order.And, yes, let's
absolutely develop policies with an eye to what we know about "the
limitations of human nature." This nonsense about deregulation willfully
ignores what we as a species have proven to be true time and time again: that we
will do things we would not ordinarily do if we don't think anyone is
watching. So why, why would we think that deregulating the financial system is
a good idea?Can we please, PLEASE get real again?
This is an amazing piece of dissection of the problems with conservative
thinking today. I could easily respect any conservative viewpoint which came
from the traditional conservative. I can not say that today, since our
conservative political party (and most conservative thinkers) resort to the kind
of debate and opinion formation that is described here.It is
interesting that the one comment so far to dispute any of this, and defend
today's conservative thinking resorts to an argument that has nothing to do
with the patterns of thinking and argumentation of today's conservative.
Political "correctness" is a silly argument advanced by conservatives to
claim the mantle of victimhood. It is not an argument against rationalism.
Mary makes the common mistake of assuming Republicans are the keepers of
Conservatism.Republicans are NOT necessarily
"Conservatives"! So you don't define "Conservatism" by
looking at Republicans.SOME Republicans are "Conservatives"
(just as SOME Democrats are Liberals). But not ALL Republicans are examples of
"Conservatism", and not ALL Democrats are examples of being
"Liberal".====We need to quit looking to the
various political parties that are SUPPOSED to fit our stereotypes... and not
only expect them to behave correctly (for our stereotype)... but also expect
them to portray purity in that stereotypes that we attribute to them (Liberal or
Conservative).If there's a flaw with liberal thinking today...
it's expecting everybody to fit your stereotypes for them. Especially
political rhetoric inspired stereotypes.Quit seeing people as the
GROUP/Cast you have place them in... and then expect them to always behave
according to your stereotype.Quit seeing people as their GROUP. As
your stereotype for them... IF you must judge, judge them as individuals... and
you will come closer to reality.Conservatism is what it has always
been (same for "Liberalism"). It just isn't canonized neatly into
political parties like you expect...
This article is the perfect example of why so many of us have said many times
that we use to be Republicans until... Saying that does not in any way say that
I or any one else thinks the Democrats have it right. It does say that
conservatives and ergo the Republicans have completely lost their way. Personally (and maybe it's just me) I think conservatism has lost
it's way through an obsession with personal liberty. Personal liberty is
an easy sell when you're trying to promote a personal agenda. Anything
from lower taxes, gun rights, bans on abortion, fossil fuel energy, religious
agendas, etc. etc. all fit very nicely in the envelope of you're taking my
liberty.As the author points out conservatives have always been the
champions of liberty but within the context of society. Not any more.
It's just me, me.
John Charity Spring said: "The current administration in Washington has put
enormous pressure on universities to silence all speech and writing that does
not meet the administration's view of what is politically correct. This
includes any speech or writing which supports traditional moral values."Do you just make stuff up now? How have they done this and what
evidence do you have?Is there a letter on White House letterhead that say
to stop any Moral Speeches?To be taken seriously, you should
probably not bare false witness against the POTUS continually while talking of
high morals.Deja vu
@GaryO,Modern "Liberalism" is a cruel caricature of true
Liberalism. It's a grotesque rendering that greatly accentuates the most
peculiar, unfortunate, and unkind characteristics inherent to Liberalism, while
it minimizes the decent, sensible, and attractive qualities.Modern
"Liberalism" is a malformed, deformed, distorted, twisted, gnarled,
mangled, misshapen, hideous representation of true Liberalism.And
tellingly, its adherents can't tell the difference.========What I'm trying to point out is... that the exact same things COULD
be said about Liberalism (and Democrats).Your same arguments (while
true) could be said about modern political "Liberalism" as well. Modern
"Liberalism", and Political "Liberalism", and Democrat
"Liberalism"... It's not the same as the dictionary definition of
being "Liberal". It's a caricature of what being truly
"Liberal" means.She could have written the exact same
article about "Liberalism" and "Democrats".So don't
be too smug...
2 bits,You said: "If there's a flaw with liberal thinking
today... it's expecting everybody to fit your stereotypes for them.
Especially political rhetoric inspired stereotypes". So are you calling the
author and the majority of posters Liberals? If so isn't that the same
stereotyping that you decry when it comes to republicans and conservatives?
This is a great article and pretty much sums up why I no longer identify as a
Republican. It's been a long while since there has been anyone I've
been excited to vote for. Romney would have been one, if he hadn't pandered
to the extreme right in an attempt to win.
An exceptional piece!
Excellent essay. This should be mandatory reading for conservatives and liberals
Conservatism today isn't good ideas and good leadership. It's a blend,
ideology, religion, and unabashed redneckism, if one can coin a phrase. Is the
republican party conservative? Somewhat, but hopefully it can cure itself.
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