I sense he may indeed be falling on his sword…or in other words, the
Just wondering...... is this damage control?
Have to feel for the guy, he was evidently a real resource to generations of
players.In this whole thing, Hoffman's refusal to answer
questions is striking. Is he simply trying to cover for his friend, or does
this thing go deeper? Certainly talk of a "safe house"
seems like maybe there was some skirting of the Honor Code going on, which would
certainly explain Busby's termination, and not just a reassignment to
another area of BYU.Time will tell... or maybe it won't. There
is plenty of damage that could be done, interests that could be damaged. Maybe
Busby's on the beach in Fiji. I wish him well.
I would expect an article like this from a BYU-worshipping newspaper such as
this one. They tried really hard to make prolonged serious violations sound as
small as shoplifting a candy bar, and they downplayed it further by painting him
as some kind of hero for what he did for these people. News flash: rules are
rules, and those who break them are not to be commended.
Good article. Sounds like Duane was caught between helping people out, and
ticky-tacky rules that are intended to stop people from gaining an unfair
advantage. But really, while laws and regulations to make people behave well
have their place, you can't really force people to be good.I
don't know Duane, but from the statements contained in this article, I wish
there were more people like him; people that paid more attention to the Golden
Rule than to petty rules of bureaucrats. And if there were more people that
lived by the Golden Rule, maybe we wouldn't need those ticky-tacky rules in
the first place.
This is likely going to get uglier. The student athletes are not charged with
the responsibility of tracking adherence to the NCAA rule book and their glowing
comments about Busby to not diminish his alleged mistakes, mistakes which likely
would have got him fired had his bosses known about them. From what we are
reading it seems he gave himself the authority to put BYU at risk for NCAA
sanctions, all in the name of helping out the athletes. If the allegations are
true, BYU SHOULD be penalized for not having a better check and balance system
in place. Great guy indeed.
I've known many people who had a gift for mentoring college age kids. When
they run into problems, its usually because they forget to maintain a
professional distance between themselves and those they are helping.
Nonetheless, if the situation is as benign as the article describes, I would
hope the system would be flexible enough to give this guy a second chance.
A very soft, one-sided article. Why didn't the writer ask questions of
players about the allegations? Why wasn't Busby interviewed? Where IS the
guy? We want answers, not fluff. I don't care how great of a
"friend" this guy was - he's liable already for quite a bit of
damage to the program. Sounds like he was trusted too much and left on his own
without accountability. Is this the way Bronco runs things??
Bronco will proobably take zero responsibility in this.But as the head
coach it is his job to know what is going on in the football program. Staff and
players shouuld be trained on this and he needs to be aware of what is going
on.How about more focus on complying to NCAA rules and less focus on
Sounds like a really great guy who helped a lot of young men and helped
influence and shape the lives of many, many now husbands and fathers. and, he
did it without a lot of fanfare. I hope that is taken into account in the final
say so. And, I hope those who love to throw their poison darts of
words at BYU for whatever reason on this comment board can show restraint and
remain silent as this all comes out. Duane Busby was definitely a good man with
Anyone who thinks this is a one time instance is kidding themselves. There are
many boosters committing small violations all the time. Most never get caught.
It is happening at all universities. Spencer Hadley's trouble was in part a
boosters involvement. You have Jim McMahon, the Volleyball Team a few years ago.
I am a BYU grad who has become less of a fan throughout the years. Fans are so
self righteous about being better than anybody else in college sports, them try
and explain infractions away as little.I think it is time for BYU to
follow BYU Hawaii and Ricks and just do away with sports all together. They
bring a lot of exposure for sure, but much of it is negative. Plus all colleges
are tired of BYU's holier than thou attitude.
So are we to believe that Busby did the wrong things for the right reasons? This
is classic BYU spin from a sympathetic local journalist. Mr Call do you teach
your children that it is OK to break the rules as long as they feel it is the
right thing to do?
The NCAA rules are like the Tax code. No one knows what is actually in it and
the arcane rules don't stop stuff from happening. If a kid got some
reduced rent, so what? If he got a pair of socks, so what? No one was getting
fee cars or money from boosters or new wardrobes. This isn't even close to
what happened when SMU got busted back in the early 80's and got the death
penalty. They cheated and had the best team money could buy on the field and
still got beat by the Y in the Miracle Bowl. It appears that Busbey took the
care and keeping of the players to be more important than some idiot rules.The fact that the Y have been investigating themselves is a good thing.
The recognize that there has been some type of a problem and are willing to face
the music themselves.
I remember when Tark Arslanian, then head basketball coach at UNLV, called a
press conference to announce that one of his players had just been notified that
his grandmother, who had raised him, had passed away. He said NCAA rules
didn't allow anyone to give the player money for a ticket to his
grandmother's funeral, but he was publicly giving the player the ticket to
go home for a few days. Because the incident was public, the NCAA never did
anything about it. Thee must have been embarrassed about the silliness of some
of the rules. I think the NCAA needs to follow their mission statement and
actually show more concern for the athletes personal growth.
You keep using the word "illegal". I don't think that word means
what you think it means. The term is violation, not illegal. You can't go
to prison for giving free meals. Only in the NCAA can someone (allegedly) give
"free housing, gifts and other benefits" and be condemned and suspended.
In the real world, that's called being Christ-like.
Sure a lot of people who set themselves up as judge and jury. Like a bunch of
vultures waiting for someone to do something wrong so they can pounce.
Two things: 1. You play by the rules that are in in play. Even if
they're ridiculous and need some serious reforming, the rules are the
rules. If BYU did in fact violate rules they should be held accountable. It
doesn't matter why they were broken or how good of an individual the
perpetrator is, the buck has to stop somewhere. Let's not try and
minimalize what happened.2. The other thing is, if there are not
rules, hard lined rules, college athletics becomes a free for all. Can you
imagine what some big programs could turn college athletics into without some
stringent rules? What goes on is repressed by hard lined rules, some are
ridiculous but in the long run, I think they keep amateurism intact. I for one
love college sports and the student athlete model, in the name of
"reform" and "common sense rules" we can easily head down a
slippery slop to professionalism.
@Snack PackI agree it is Christ like if he was doing the same thing
for others besides the football players. Otherwise I think it is only looking
out to help him in his job. Good football players makes him look good. If third
trumpet in Cougar Band is different in his sight then it isn't Christ Like
at all. I'm not judging him, because he might do it for every one, just
saying don't be too quick the other way in throwing out the phrase Christ
like. I don't think Christ would break any rules no matter how small. Then
again maybe Mr Busby didn't know it was against the rules. Only he knows.
I've never met Duane Busby, but he sounds like he is a great guy.I will stand by him ALL DAY LONG!In fact, we need more people like
him.Football is on a downward spiral because we are chasing away
guys like Duane. The media is trying to act like they are really doing a great
job exposing things. I think that everyone needs to back off of every sport at
every school. The hype and pressure and hate is driving everyone away.Let's get our world back to some more normal times when everyone was a
lot less sensitive.The great day of protecting everyone from
everything is proving to be our ruin.Life is hard enough without
trying to punish everyone.
BYU and the NCAA are investigating. They will get to the bottom of this. In
the meantime, there is nothing wrong with an article recognizing the good that
this man has done. Let the investigation bring out the facts before you throw
This is a truly sad case. By all accounts Duane Busby was a very good man who
was trying to help the players and the program every way he could. I hope the
fallout from this doesn't include him being emotionally or physically
harmed due to his own distress over what has happened.That being
said, BYU generally and specifically Bronco Mendenhall have hung their hat on
being different. What were those three words Bronco wanted to put on the backs
of the jerseys last season? I don't remember, but I know breaking NCAA
rules wouldn't fit into the culture those words were meant to suggest.
Bronco, more than any other coach at BYU has stressed the honor code and the
difference it makes in the lives of the athletes and staff. He has referred to
scripture in press conferences. No matter how good Duane Busby's
intentions were, you cannot have a program like that and then turn around and
say it was okay to break the rules, because you were just trying to help.
Danite:"You play by the rules that are in in play. Even if
they're ridiculous and need some serious reforming, the rules are the
rules. If BYU did in fact violate rules they should be held accountable."
Absolutely. Rules are rules and those that break them, for whatever
reason, should be held accountable and should receive APPROPRIATE punishment."It doesn't matter why they were broken or how good of an
individual the perpetrator is, the buck has to stop somewhere."I'm sorry, that just isn't true. Manslaughter and murder are both
the taking of a life. The difference is the intention of the perpetrator and
thus the punishments are very different. Obviously that is an extreme case, but
there are a lot of people calling for the "death penalty" for BYU. In
all areas of rules and laws intention is critical in enforcement. Otherwise why
would police officers be allowed to give warnings?To pretend that
intention doesn't matter in deciding punishment is to ignore reality. A
philosophy professor once asked my class: "Is it always wrong for an adult
to touch the private parts of an infant? (Pause) Have you ever changed a
goforit:"I don't think Christ would break any rules no
matter how small." Really? The Jews killed him for precisely
that. He broke their rules that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Gospel.
He healed on the Sabbath. He threshed wheat (in his hands) to eat on the
Sabbath. The people that were more concerned about the rules than following the
spirit of the gospel were given his harshest rebuke: He called them
hypocrites.Please let it be known that I am NOT comparing what Duane
Busby did or did not do to Christ in any way. I am just pointing out a very big
issue in your argument.Also - third trumpet in the marching band
didn't come under his personal responsibility. Besides, as this is BYU and
third trumpets might be female, allowing third trumpets to crash on his couch
overnight would be a much bigger issue...
goforit says, "I don't think Christ would break any rules no matter how
small." Christ broke several rules and laws: healing on the Sabbath,
allowing his disciples to harvest grain from the field on the Sabbath as they
walked through it, saying that the temple could be destroyed and He could
rebuild it in three days, and more. The chief priests and scribes demanded
Pilate crucify Jesus for blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God, or
"King of the Jews."I know nothing of Busby, and little about
BYU football. I do know that in the world there are big laws and rules and
minuscule laws and rules--millions of them. Anyone can be tripped up by those
seeking an excuse to ruin you. Sometimes it's just, sometimes it's
Give Duane his job back. This goes way over his head.
The phrase that the NCAA uses the most when handing out punishments: "Lack of institutional control".Seems to fit this
situation to a tee.
Wow, the amount of spin in this article is only exceeded by the number of
posters who seem to be begging to be spun around. This is BYU in a nutshell.
When others do bad things we hold Cougar nation up as being the type of people
they should emulate. When we get caught doing something wrong we praise the
wrong doer as a person as someone we should all emulate. At sacrament meeting
this Sunday, will we be talking about how we can all be more Duane like? I think
there is a real fear that this will get back to the coaching staffs knowledge.
And boy, could that get ugly.
@true blue aggieWhy are you reading a BYU worshipping newspaper?
even more why are you reading a byu worshipping newspaper article about BYU?
Answer.. there is no such thing as an article about utah state
Lately I have been observing of what was on paper when it hit at BYU. We
don't know what under the microscope on this University and Busby. You
know, I think all Universtiies should required to have everyone "Student
Athletes, Students in general and All Staffs" to take a course "NCAA
Rule Book or Bible 101" and if you pass it then you are admitted to those
Universies and if you don't, stay AWAY! I hope Busby is being investigated
right now because it is the right thing to do.I do remember about
Rick Majuras (sp?) taking his players to eat which was a no big deal but the
ncaa got after him which is stupid. Can you inmagine a student athlete giving an
apple to his coach would be red flag (sound backward). All I can say, we will
find out some day what will or don't against BYU Football.Oh
yeah, how about Bronco giving a wedding gift to KVN - is that against the ncaa?
I would think so but I am sure Bronco would give it to him after he finished
school. No, that is still a nono?
I remember the BYU fans chastising Majerus for taking Van Horn to get a crown
burger after the death of a family member. Stating that the rules are the
rules. Well, BYU fans, what say you? What about your program that has never
been sanctioned by the NCAA? How ironic now that the tables are turning. I am
disappointed in BYU football. First they change the honor code violation to
"violaton of team rules". Was this done in order to account for all of
the non-lds athletes the program is bringing in with different standards? How
much disgrace does the school need to bring upon itself in order to compete and
is it worth it? If you are a missionary tool, then you need to have the
standards that are set to be an example. Duckhunter, I think you are seeing
hypocrisy in its truest form here.Go UTES!
nhatch82,I'm reading this article in a BYU-worshipping
newspaper because I'd be lying if I didn't feel a tiny bit of
schadenfreude about this whole situation, plus I was curious about how badly
they spun the story. Seriously, anyone with half a mind can tell how
ridiculously biased this is, and anyone who denies it is kidding themselves. As
far as your conclusion that there are no articles about Utah State, you're
absolutely right, and it's frustrating. That's why I'm here
trying to change that. Although I wonder if the reason that there are no
articles about USU is because 1, we actually play by the rules, and 2, even if
we did break them, it wouldn't be as big a deal because we don't sound
a trump before us and self-righteously parade ourselves around as beacons of
truth, righteousness, and honor. If BYU's going to talk the talk about
"Spirit, Tradition, and Honor," they'd better be prepared to walk
the walk. That has obviously not happened, no matter how good of a guy Duane is
or how honorable his intentions can be made to appear.
BYU and the DNews are really feeding the cries of hypocrite, hypocrite from
their detractors. You can't hold your program up as an example to the
world of college sports in off the field behavior and then try to excuse
violations of the rules. That is text book hypocrisy.
I love how you think that one person represents all of BYU. He was wrong and BYU
with suffer any consequences that are imposed from this. You glance over every
positive thing the Y does and when a negative thing pops up (like it does in
every institution I recall your tennis coach was fired a couple years back for
repeated violations) You haters pounce on it like its some sort of penn
statesque violation. BYU did what they were supposed to and self reported to
the NCAA and let duane busby go. Also I don't think your
comments on this article are going to effect the writers to do more articles on
the aggies. your efforts are in vain
As one who normally "sticks up" for BYU I have to vote with the crimson
crowd on this one.There is NO WAY Busby would extend the same
benefits to the general student body. If he invited 30,000 students for a sleep
over and 500 of them showed up, he would at least have an argument. It is the
"special" treatment accorded to players that BYU athletics must worry
about.Anyone who would assume that someone so highly placed in the
program would not know he was in violation of NCAA rules cannot be playing with
a full deck. It's best that he was terminated for whatever pretext. It is
an easy money bet that Holmoe wishes this had surfaced at the time of the first
infraction many years ago.
Doesn't matter if he 'was doing it for the right reasons'. The
fact is he and everyone around him knew it was against the rules to do it. That
is the bottom line. When the NCAA says that what he did is no longer a
violation, then this can be a non-issue. What he should have done was take all
these 'issues' players were having and taken it to the school instead
of trying to do it all on his own. By the way, where was he getting the funds to
support all of this? Surely couldn't have come from his own pocket.
This matter is disgusting, true or not. The national attention that BYU has
received for this matter alone is truly saddening. I spent 5 minutes on the
national media boards and the amount of negativity that this story has brought
upon BYU and directly the LDS faith is heartwrenching. One comment was Rise and
Shout your secret is out. Another, Spirit, Tradition, Investigation, Honor.
This is not the missionary tool people make it out to be. This is sad news. I
hope that the brethern of the Church do something and come down hard on BYU
football. There is been a blindeye to BYU football for years. Sports are for
entertainment, not to be taken so seriously that things like this wipe out so
many positive aspects to a good school representing a great faith. Go UTES!
From the article:"All of the help he gave guys, he tried as much
as he could to keep it secret. Not for the wrong reasons, but for the right
reasons.”And therein lies the rub. With apologies to T.S.
Eliot: It is nigh unto treason, To do the wrong deed,For
the right reason."
I hope this thing turns out to be as big as some of the commentators suggest it
is. If BYU is sanctioned, nary a Cougar fan anywhere should even attempt to spin
it. Rules are rules, even if you don't like them.
5:"I remember when Tark Arslanian, then head basketball coach at
UNLV..."I think you meant "Jerry Tarkanian". The only
"Arslanian" coach that I know of was "Dave", but he was a
Football coach, and an "Aggie (USU)"; not a "Rebel".
nhatch82:"I love how you think that one person represents all of
BYU."Well that was sort of implied in the article. Or
didn't you read it?"He was the quiet hero of BYU
football...I thought Duane would be a lifer there forever. He was BYU football
to me." -- former QB James Lark
@John in SLCYou wrote:"It is nigh unto treason,To do the wrong deed,For the right reason."--I disagree. However, if you are going to break the rules for the right
reasons, you'd better make darn sure you're prepared for and willing
to live with the consequences. For example, Edward Snowden had to make a
decision that he was willing to live in exile or face prison for exposing the
extent of the domestic spying the U.S. Government subjects its citizens to. I
don't believe his actions were treasonous, at least not in the moral sense
(though some may disagree with me), but the consequences are real regardless.
This is particularly true when your institution demands that its
students live by a pretty restrictive Honor Code, when that institution's
parent church sends out missionaries under some equally ridiculous rules, and
when your institution and church tout themselves as a beacon of honor and strict
obedience. "Obedience with exactness" doesn't ring very true when
it comes out that you are ok with fudging a little bit and then you want to
start making excuses that it was for a good cause.
Just own it, one way or the other. It's called integrity.
@navalvetSo now whatever James Lark says goes? He is the one who
decides who is the face of BYU? a 4 year backup quarterback? Good effort but
that is not what the article is talking about. The article is telling us about
the career of a relatively unknown Football assistant. What he did
"FOR" the college. Providing improper benefits was wrong. he lost his
job for that. Do we brand him as an evil human? probably not and this article
tells us what kind of guy he was and what he did at BYU. he made a mistake and
paid the consequences. I guarantee that others on the staff given the same
choices would not have given improper benefits, thus he is not the face of the
cougars. I think you should have read it a little more in depth my friend.
First and foremost, the NCAA rules are ridiculous, unenforceable, and the chief
reason that the Big 5 conferences want to go their own way. The Olympics
scuttled the 19th century ideal of amateurism (fostered by British gentlemen who
had no need of making money by their efforts because of the silver spoon they
were born with) decades ago. Instead, we have kids, many from deprived
backgrounds, trying to live on the pittance they get right now: meanwhile the
NCAA runs a multi-million dollar business. I don't want to sound Marxist
here, but this is a glaring example of those in power subjugating and exploiting
the workers. Don't answer with - "well, their getting school paid
for" - because your average academic scholarship holder is not restricted
from accepting favors and outside financial benefits. There have to
rules in place, or chaos will ensue. But the rules need to be logical and
workable in the real world. The players generate revenue for the universities.
They deserve a cut.
Amid all the furor, let's notice that BYU is investigating this matter in
advance of any NCAA checking - in fact, self-reported. There is very strong
precedent of relatively harsh consequences, as well: they suspended Brandon
Davies during a sweet sixteen run, and Harvey Unga for his entire senior season,
both for causes that are perfectly legal but against the honor code. Let's assume that Busby gave away I-Pads and car stereos and let people
stay in his house for free or at reduced rent. That violates NCAA regulations
(read my previous comment on that) but it is in no way illegal. Those of us who
want to speculate on where there is going, and who else was involved, are
predicting the future, which is as hazardous as predicting outcomes of football
games in advance. I prefer not to set myself up like that.
@aggie238"Just own it, one way or the other. It's called
integrity."How are they not doing this? They self reported the
violation and busby is no longer working for the University. Seems like they
have done what is needed to be done. I see no lack of integrity in this
situation on the cougars part.
Byu was the victim. We cheat less than everyone else. And when we do it's
for good reasons
nhatch82You're right about that. They do have to do it or face
stiffer penalties, but I would hope that they would anyway. I was speaking more
about the spin on this article and by many of the folks posting on here.
Realized I should have made that more clear after I posted.
Great article Jeff!. Sounds like Duane Busby is the kind of guy we need more of
in the world. He sounds like a true Christian and the kind of guy that does a
lot of good to help others out. He may have run-a-fowl of some of the
ridiculous NCAA rules in some fashion, but I'm guessing in most cases the
end justified the means. If BYU scape goats Mr. Busby - shame on them! Funny
how so many BYU fans are so concerned about appearances rather than concerned
about having your heart in the right place as it appears that Mr. Busby did.
Give me substance every time over appearances that mean little. Keep up the
good work Jeff!
This is a big story and many of us are following it. Thus, updates come like
unwanted browser variations. The chatter and attention will be ongoing. Rather
or not the real story comes out and we accept it for what it is might be
something different than common perception. On one hand we have those who are
fixed on a fall from grace at BYU. For them the attack is in full force. On the
other hand we have the faithful defenders see BYU football as 'God's
Army', meaning condemnation never applies to the program. If these two
factions can recognize a balanced perspective, then I submit we will all be
healthier mentally.Nevertheless, the Duane Busby connection seems so
strange. We are going to have sources of all types filling in the unfortunate
but necessary vultures and sharks of the media, many who smell blood. Truth will
come out in a cocktail of embellishment, sensationalism and perhaps even
justice. The latter is complicated considering NCAA rules (which are a
disgusting puzzle) vs. justice (if there is any relative to fair and equal
punishment). Some schools can sin freely while others pay for
mistakes. It's the NCAA way.
I am with you Osgrath.
goforit"I don't think Christ would break any rules no
matter how small."Pick up a Bible and read the New Testiment.
You'll read about the Pharasees (NCAA) complaining all the time about how
the Savior broke their rules about healing on the Sabbath, eating on the
Sabbath, etc. etc.
WookieOmaha, NE"This matter is disgusting, true or
not."Wookie, you just said it all. Whether it turns out to be
true or not, or likely some degree of both, people who are willing to jump into
the muck and the mire, and sling it around, are truly disgusting.You
do not know what he did, you do not know who knew, you do not know how long it
has been going on, you do not know who was involved.This is not PR
spin by the university, it is not someone trying to cover for their own. It IS
a voice of reason trying to find some balance in the vacuum of facts that
currently passes for common knowledge. If it turns out as bad as you hope, the
consequences will be, I am sure, satisfying even to you.If, however,
it turns out to be something along the lines as described in this article, and a
good man has been totally destroyed for sport, where will he go for justice?And how will you ever amend for what you have done?
Well said DANTE!
There are Duane Busby's in every college sports program in America,
including Utah and Utah State. I've read a ton of intentional malevolently
accusations, all of which are nebulous at best. I'll wait for the report
to see just what the hanging offenses he is alleged to have committed are. I have no clue what Busby may or may not have done but I know that the
"intent to help," under NCAA rules can construed to mean anything
depending on who wants to hurt which program. When Jamal Williams
came to BYU at 17, Coach Mendenhall took him into his home because of his age,
housed him, fed him and cared for his needs. If I were Jamal's mother I
would be more than pleased. After 18 Jamal went out on his own and committed a
couple of typical stupid teenaged stunts, I understand that. But do
Mendenhall's contributions to Jamal's well being make him guilty of
violating NCAA rules? Under the comments in this thread the answer would be
So if Busby is the crux of the investigation has ANYONE contacted him? Has he
really disappeared? Certainly, some investigative reporting could come up with
at least someone who has contact with him....?I get a kick out of
all these "holier than thou" accusations coming from the haters who
exhibit precisely that attitude. Mob mentality, casting stones and you
don't even know the facts? Really?A lot of "judge and
jury" on these comment boards when absolutely no facts have been presented
It is still too early to make up my mind but Busby's situation isn't
as cut and dry as the BYU critics would have you believe. In time more
information will come out but some of the critic's glee speaks volumes. I
think the BYU critics may end up disappointed.
I chuckle at people insinuating that because this guy was liked by many and
because byu fans believe he would've been only motivated w/pure intentions,
should these allegations prove true, then the ncaa shouldn't enact
sanctions or, at most, should be as soft on byu as their annual schedule is
soft....Please....None of this line of thinking is even remotely
relevant....Equally irrelevant is whether or not these rules ought to really be
rules, in the first place, as well as whether or not this sort of thing
"permeates every program" or not.Wake-up people....From the
ncaa's viewpoint, the only relevant fact regarding byu is--Were rules
broken or weren't they? It's literally this black-and-white.
Y Dad/Y Grad:Amend what? Enlighten me please as I am not certain as
to what you mean. I only point out the hypocrisy that is so prevelant in and at
BYU. Shouldn't you, other fans, BYU players and staff represent the
Church?What say you?
Meckofahess,You really think this was okay just because you think
the NCAA rules are ridiculous? How sad. Based on statements made in General
Conference talks and many other public settings I know LDS Church leaders will
disagree with that. The 12th and 13th Articles of Faith written by Joseph Smith
and canonized as LDS scripture teach clearly that breaking the rules isn't
acceptable. If you don't like the rule, work to change it, but abide by it
in the mean time.
I am not for or against BYU. But I do have a son that is a division one athlete
at one of the biggest sports Universities in the nation. I know the meetings we
went through his freshman year and from the compliance forms we had to sign that
there are no questions on what is allowed and what is not allowed. The meetings
lasted two days and you know for a fact what you can and can't do. They
track every movement by those players financially, academically, and socially.
To make it sound like the director of Football operations did not know this was
wrong is not believable. If he didn't know then he did not attend the same
meetings we were required to attend.
Too many are already acting as prosecutor, judge and jury. Typical in our
society. I have known Duane since the Madison High School and Ricks College
days and on into his time at BYU. Some of you are really clueless. I stand
behind him and I do know how to get ahold of him. I will be expressing my
sentiments to him personally rather than speculating. Duane Busby is most
likely a better man than anyone posting here, including myself.
@ Old Ricks CoachThe innocent typically don't run and hide
WookieOmaha, NEIs it representative of the church, let alone
the gospel of Jesus Christ to condemn an entire program, and it's
participants, because of the supposed actions of one, or even a few?Were you so passionate about disbanding an athletic program at the U that
suffered much more potentially damaging allegations?Would it not be
better to wait until all the facts come to light before casting stones? Or perhaps even to choose not to cast stones all?The fact
that you are looking for hypocrisy is disturbing. The fact that you cannot see
where it truly lies is most disturbing of all.Remember your New
Testament story about the adulteress and the Pharisees? Adultery is a very
serious sin, but it came out rather worse for the Pharisees.
Y Dad/Y Grad:I'm still not convinced that you understood let
alone read my posts. So, what you are trying to tell me is that I'm wrong
in my assertion that this is sad regardless of what comes out after the
investigation? That is a Y fan doing what a Y fan does best, changing the
subject, not addressing the issue and ultimately finding fault in someone else.
What is disheartening is that this had to even come up at a school that
represents the LDS faith. We don't know the extent to the issues they will
discover so you might want to wait before you infer that the U's problems
WookieOmaha, NEY Dad/Y Grad:I'm still not convinced
that you understood let alone read my posts. ... Well, I've
answered your comments. Read, yes. Understood? Maybe not.So, what
you are trying to tell me is that I'm wrong in my assertion that this is
sad regardless of what comes out after the investigation? ... I am
trying to tell you that jumping to conclusions and calling for broad and
punitive actions before the facts are known is sad.That is a Y fan
doing what a Y fan does best, changing the subject, not addressing the issue and
ultimately finding fault in someone else. ... If I wanted to be
equally unfair in my assessment, I could say that this is what a U fan does best
- using any excuse to denigrate the program at the Y, while cloaking his not so
subtle agenda in concern for the Church. But that wouldn't be very fair,
Cont.What is disheartening is that this had to even come up at a
school that represents the LDS faith. ... On this we can agree, but
since none of us is without sin, it is a little unrealistic to expect that there
would not be problems, and that some of them may even rise to the level on
needing to be investigated.We don't know the extent to the
issues they will discover so you might want to wait before you infer that the
U's problems were worse.... We might both want to wait.
Ironically, that was the point.