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Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 11:56 p.m. MDT

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sunnyrainy
bellevue, wa

I was pleasantly shocked to read this. These women may be the only LDS members who know anything about the Bible! I have taught older Primary kids and Sunday School for 4 decades --- and am continually alarmed and dismayed at how our kids know virtually NOTHING about the Bible. Not even the simplest Bible stories or Christ's parables. Horrifying. Inexcusable. Negligent. But our kids know EVERYTHING about the Book of Mormon. Is the Bible not the very foundation of the gospel (and the Book of Mormon the *keystone*)? How oh HOW can they have a thoughtful, 2-way conversation with other Christians?? Or is their goal only to be a one-way "telling" about the LDS faith?

Happymomma
MOORESVILLE, NC

Wow, sunnyrainy! That is really sad! It sounds like your ward and it's members need better training in primary, Sunday school, and seminary. And some enrichment activities to help with FHE at home.

In my experiences the kids I teach have been very knowledgeable. Geez, all seminary students study only the Bible for two of their four years. When I taught primary every lesson integrated Bible and Book of Mormon.

Thankfully you are in a position to teach. :)

Sinew South
Centennial, CO

Sounds like it's more rainy than sunny for you.

I have been around LDS church members for a very long time, too, and I am actually impressed with the amount of knowledge the young and old have regarding the Bible, not to mention how much they know about how congruent the gospel is from the perspective of both volumes of scripture (Bible and Book of Mormon). I recently had a 'thoughtful, 2-way conversation' with another Christian just the other day. I have found that not all "Christians" have a great command of the Bible, either. Something which I think would go a long way toward improving our society (not only knowing, but living the tenets of the Bible).

Hopefully your world can become a little sunnier.

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

@sunnyrainy
bellevue, wa

"...I have taught older Primary kids and Sunday School for 4 decades --- and am continually alarmed and dismayed at how our kids know virtually NOTHING about the Bible. Not even the simplest Bible stories or Christ's parables. Horrifying. Inexcusable."

Sad to hear your horrible experience about your Primary kids not learning the Bible. We certainly don't have a problem with our kids here in Virginia from the years I've been in Primary both as a teacher and music chorister. We taught about Jesus, sang about Jesus, and every program was centered on Jesus and every child knew about Jesus. In fact every year the Primary themes always involves both the Bible and the BoM in their yearly programs so I don't understand how your kids can know NOTHING about the Bible and know EVERYTHING about the BoM. I mean 4 decades of teaching and still have kids that knows nothing about the Bible is sad indeed! I don't know what to say except I hope it's not a problem throughout the whole church worldwide.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

Though they are a small and focused charity, I've been donating to One Heart Bulgaria for 4 years and have always been impressed with their dedication to these children and the amount of good they do with so little.

I hope their appearance on this show will help boost their donations and allow them to do that much more.

Good on them all!

kimnprovo
Orem, UT

I have only been teaching Primary for about one tenth the amount that you have, sunnyrainy. I cannot state for certain how much better or worse the children I've taught know the Bible as I have little to compare it to. As we are studying the Old Testament this year though, I do find that the children in my class know the stories. I find it great because then we're able to dive in a bit deeper to understand why these particular stories are important to us as individuals.

As is always the case, there are some in my class who know more than others. I think that is the case regardless the topics though. When we taught the Book of Mormon I had nearly as many who struggled when I said, "Okay, so you know about Abinadi, right?" Then I would get into the story and the smiles would come as the memory clicked for them.

We have to remember that Primary is filled with children. I don't dare put the expectations on them which I have for my grown children!

Anne Bradshaw
Provo, UT

When teachers follow the LDS lesson manuals in Primary and Sunday School, they cannot avoid teaching great scripture stories, both in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I'm teaching 3-year-olds at the moment, and even at that tender age they've been learning about Jonah, and Daniel, and other prophets from the Old Testament this year. Whether the children remember much for long is another question. This is why these wonderful books are rotated through the years until each student has the opportunity to study and drink in as much as they're willing to learn. Some are not too willing. Sounds like you've found them. Keep on trying. You never know how much is really going into those expanding minds because sometimes (especially in fragile teenage years)they are reluctant to speak up. Take heart. Don't quit. One of your students might even end up on a future Bible game show.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

I'm quite astonished that this show would actually allow Mormons to participate, given the strongly Evangelical leanings of its writers, producers, and even host. This may be a setup designed to make fools out of the LDS contestants—and, by extension, the Church—or it could be some kind of a publicity stunt to get ratings from those who otherwise would not watch the show. Either way, I hope that they surprise everyone by doing extremely well and demonstrating a more comprehensive understanding of the scriptures than any of the other contestants, which their exposure to the Restored Gospel ought to provide. Sadly, doctrinal differences will probably come into play at some point and prohibit them from winning, even if their answers are correct. It would be interesting to watch nevertheless.

mdemann
Murray, UT

@sunnyrainy

Sorry to hear about your situation. That shocks me. I get to help in the primary in our ward on occasion. There are kids that struggle with scripture stories in general and others who amaze me. It does not seem to be Bible vs Book of Mormon. As for my family, a few years back we on vacation in So Cal. While at the beach there was a large group congregating at one end. We wandered over to see what was going on. It was a group promoting a summer bible study. To get the kids excited, they were asking bible story questions. The 10 year old in our family answered question after question. The Pastor stopped letting him answer unless no one else knew the answer. Afterward the pastor came to meet our family and wondered where we lived and why we had not been seen at church. He was shocked to find out we were Mormon (because he did not think we believed in the bible). Anyway, point to the long story is we do "teach of Christ, rejoice in Christ, preach of Christ that we may know the source for the remission of our sins". Good Luck!

gingerbairds
Sugar City, ID

I got to see the show last night and really enjoyed it. Not only was it fun to watch (and compete in my head) as Jeff Foxworthy threw out Bible questions, but it was great to see Latter-day Saints who were able to join other Christians in supporting and sharing their worthy causes! I know one of the ladies who founded One Heart Bulgaria, and the work they do is very sincere and life-changing for those darling kids. So it was win-win, in my opinion!

HeidiGlynBarker
Sugar City, ID

Happy to soothe, antodav . . . The experience was wonderful, the host, Jeff Foxworthy, was so fun and gracious, and all of the producers were awesome to work with. We loved being around optimistic, fantastic contestants who made our experience unforgettable. The show is airing all weekend--hope you have a chance to see it!

Kjirstin Youngberg
Mapleton, UT

Jeff Foxworthy is the host? He is such a quick-witted funnyman. That almost makes me wish we had paid TV...naw...but almost.

My little sister, Jill, lived in Bulgaria for nine years, working at the American University in Blagoevgrad. (Their building was a former KGB headquarters. Can you think of anything better than turning it into a school?) Jill did lots of work with the orphanages there, and got our various wards and schools here in Utah to help them. Something as simple as artwork for the sterile walls was so appreciated. Mapleton artist Robyn Card got her students involved, and donations poured in to help beautify these buildings. I think they also made puppets, dolls and many quilts over the years.

One Heart Bulgaria is a worthy charity, and I'm so pleased to see some of our Christian brothers and sisters extending a hand of friendship to us. When we must all stand together against the forces of evil in the last days; they'll need our help.

FarmerDan
Rexburg, ID

I was able to see the episode last night, and I thought they did a great job. To see them on the stage with priests and other Christians engaging in fun activities centered on what all the faiths have in common was neat.

I can say that my experiences with teaching primary are quite different from those that sunnyrainy relates above. I have found that, in general, both kids and adults are fairly familiar with Bible stories and have been taught well.

sunnyrainy
bellevue, wa

To all who have kindly sympathized with the children I have taught, thank you. :-) Alas, I must tell you that I have been abroad for the past 10 years (not a military connection, BTW) --- and am teaching kids from ALL over the world (12 countries represented in my branch), and these Sunday School kids are coming from THEIR countries AND from the countries they've been living in .....and none of them are arriving with ANY knowledge of the Bible or Jesus' teachings. Not even Daniel and the Lion's Den. So my conclusion is that something is SORELY missing from the Church's curriculum. If you look at the 8-yr-old manual (or whatever its called these days!), although Jesus gets cursory LIP service, in actuality, except for Christmas and Easter, there are 2 lessons that actually get into Christ and His teachings. I'm beginning to wonder if I belong the Church of Nephi & Alma of Latter-day Saints. :-(

JillPillMom
Roseville, CA

I not only got to see the show last night...I was on it! It was an amazing experience. Each director and producer treated us with respect and commented on the spirit we brought with us. We prayed with all the teams we competed with and made friends. We all believed in God and the Bible and it was a great feeling of unity. I happen to use my Primary, Sunday School and Seminary experiences to study because we only had 6 weeks to study and all of us have outside jobs besides being full-time moms so we had very little time to prepare. If you have seen the show there is a lot of chance to it, even if you are a scriptorian. Jeff Foxworthy made a point to talk with us afterwards to tell us how much he respected our church and charity. We REALLY need the word out there to support One Heart Bulgaria. There are some really good programs in the works for these children that are hoping to get sponsors to donate. Our team is actually called Three Wise Women. They are replaying the show Sat, Sun. and Mon on GSN.

HeidiGlynBarker
Sugar City, ID

Kjirstin Youngberg, I think I know your sister! Is her last name Rasmussen? I knew about her from Bulgaria, but we actually met in Freiberg. Small world.

Happymomma
MOORESVILLE, NC

Sunnyrainy, this year the 8-12 yr old manual is teaching:

Jesus Christ Was Chosen to Be Our Savior; The Creation; The Fall of Adam and Eve; Adam and Eve and Their Family Offered Sacrifices; Adam and Eve Lived the Gospel of Jesus Christ; Enoch and a Zion People; Noah and the Flood; Jehovah Makes Covenants with Abraham; Abraham and Lot; Abraham and Isaac; Isaac and Rebekah; Jacob and Esau; Jacob and His Family; Joseph Was Sold into Egypt; Joseph in Egypt; Joseph Forgives His Brothers; The Birth and Calling of Moses; Moses Delivers the Israelites from Bondage; The Ten Commandments; Israel and the Brass Serpent; Joshua Leads Israel; Gideon; Samson; Ruth and Naomi; Samuel, the Boy Prophet; David and Goliath; King David and Bathsheba; The Wisdom of King Solomon; Rehoboam; Elijah Uses the Priesthood; Elijah and the False Prophets of Baal; Naaman Is Healed; The Prophet Isaiah; Josiah and Ezra Read the Scriptures to the People; Esther Saves Her People; Job; Daniel and the King's Food; Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; Daniel in the Lion's Den; Jonah and the People of Nineveh; and there are others too.

I don't think the Bible is missing from church curriculum.

RebGiff
Sugar City, ID

We had so much fun watching the show! These ladies did an amazing job of representing their faith and their charity. My favorite part was when they hugged the priests at the end. Thanks for the good time and great example, Ladies!

CBAX
Provo, UT

You have been rather negligent mr first poster!

Max
Upstate, NY

I'm beginning to wonder if SunnyRainy is getting the LDS church mixed up with something else. His experience with the kids and with the manuals is so counter to anything I have ever seen around the country. Jesus is not missing from the Church of Jesus Christ, nor is the Bible missing from the Sunday School and Primary manuals (as pointed out by HappyMomma). His comments are so extreme and so contrary to what the church is and what it teaches that I have to wonder if he is just being a troll.

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