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Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 4:12 p.m. MDT

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Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

Scheduling still is the biggest issue.

BYU cannot get any good home games, sure they got Texas this last year, but this was a fluke. Especially with the latest announcements from the ACC and SEC.

BYU home schedule against power conference schools.
2014: Virginia
2015: none scheduled
2016: none scheduled

BYU plays Virginia in Sep 2014, after that their next power conference team scheduled to visit Provo is Utah in Sep 2017.

Riley Mendenhall
Provo, UT

Not the missionary tool it was envisioned to be.
Time to follow the example of BYU-Idaho and BYU-Hawaii.
Intramural sports are fun.

RR_Xing
San Diego, CA

Three weeks ago I couldn't see BYU giving up sports like the other BYU campuses have. It's not so hard to imagine now.

wazzup
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Meh. It isn't BYU that may have violated NCAA rules. It was a single, lone employee! If others knew about it, then it's a problem but this sounds minor, like buying cookies or meals for basketball players. If it was a lone individual and he was asked to leave, that's quick action vs. trying to cover anything up. Hoffman's agent/manager admitted he was given a pair of socks..........believing it was from the equipment room. I can't wait for the facts to come out vs. the media trying to sell clicks.

I spoke to a former SEC basketball coach on a recent flight. Not even close to what SEC players are involved with. And this came directly from the former coach.

Mount Olympus
Salt Lake, UT

BYU knew they would get caught and had to change their ways this upcoming year.
Why else would this years slogan be "Will over Skill" ?

Uncle festis
Pasadena, CA

Why do I feel like supplying rent and giving money to players from 1997-2013 is a little more extreme than majerus throwing a pizza party Rockmonster?
Did you even hear Gerard's research from former players. Seems like they weren't too slow to sell out BYU

xam
Provo, UT

I'm sure the violations were relatively harmless. However, I would have to agree with Riley Mendenhall that using the football program as a missionary tool and to gain exposure may not be the right formula. These types of events along with fans pelting referees with garbage and players getting expelled following assault investigations are like taking two steps back for every step forward. Back to the drawing board.

rtimesr2
ALTADENA, CA

@ Uncle Rico:
Try Nebraska and Michigan in 2015; Arizona, Utah, West Virgina in 2016; Utah, Cal in 2017; Arizona, Wisconsin, Utah in 2018; wisconsin, Virgina, USC, Wasington State in 2019; Arizona, Arizona State, Stanford, Virginia in 2020. Throw in Boise State every year too. Get you facts straight.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

This is one of those stories that seems to feed on itself. We've got few real details yet the speculation seems to grow exponentially. I have a hunch that there is a good deal less going on here than meets the eye. Unfortunately the mere existence of an investigation is often more damaging than what really happened.

theDailyObserver
Salt Lake City, Utah

Regardless of what comes out of this investigation, it's easy to see why schools in the P5 conferences are building walls to buffer themselves from the NCAA.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@wazzup

Yes cookie like stuff sounds minor. Still, a corrupt NCAA punishes teams that threaten their power. Utah and Boise State got penalized for pizza and cookies while Ohio State commits major violations and a never ending investigation pretends to take place. Meanwhile, star players involved play in BCS games and only get suspended the following year for a preseason Division II tune game where the Buckeyes can win by 28 with their third string starting across the board.

The sanctions Boise State received ushered in Chris Petersen's departure, as he finally realized his Broncos would only be allowed to prosper so far. Since then, a significant fall has taken place in Boise. Sure they win 9 or 10 games a year like BYU (with a weak schedule) but they are not the same team. Recruiting against bigger schools is hard enough, but take away scholarships and the effects are huge.

I don't know what to make of this speculative hyped drama in Provo right now. It could be minor. It's just a crazy week of downer news at BYU.

As for the SEC conversation. Yes this is minor and they get away with major. There is the difference.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

No Brad, BYU's biggest worry isn't scheduling or investigations - it's the church. More specifically, how long will the church put up with this? BYU athletics has become detrimental to its stated missionary purpose. When there are issues with player behavior (football players cussing at fans - 3 million views on YouTube), fan behavior (fans throwing garbage at refs - 8 million views on YouTube), lack of relevance in football (P5, Notre Dame, MWC not willing to schedule BYU), and lack of institutional control (improper benefits provided by a member of the staff is way worse than when it's done by a booster), you have to wonder how long church leadership is going to continue to allow the church to be embarrassed. I doubt this latest scandal will have people flocking to the waters of baptism.

ItrustNo1
La Grange, TN

I understand the Church's need to maintain its reputation both on and off the field. Anyone paying attention understands how vested BYU and has put its money where its mouth is by proving its athletes facilities and an environment second to none. That said, BYU has to get aggressive about joining a major conference and start playing and winning against the Big Boys or think about getting out. The last four years have been a mess on the football field, and is why the SEC and ACC are looking at BYU as a has been program. The home games are horrible and little by little we are losing the fan base much like all those years that the Basketball team was losing. Celebrating all these games that we are playing on the road while our stadium remains empty or hosting High School caliber teams is killing any hopes of joining a major conference or being respected enough on the field to be viewed by the SEC and ACC as worthy of them playing us. I hope BYU and the Church will get serious about being a muscle in college football before its to late. Call the BIG 12 today

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Many byu fans called the firing of Chris Hill over a mean swim coach. If that's the case then this should bring down Holmoe, Bronco and several others.
This is a MUCH bigger deal than a coach who yelled at his athletes.

I Choose Freedom
Atlanta, GA

It is amazing to me how much fanaticism there is surrounding sports. On the "What's REALLY important in life?" scale sports doesn't even show up. But so many of the people that comment on here seem to think that is the ONLY thing that is important.

I enjoy watching BYU sports and have since 1978. But if the church leadership decided to drop all sports programs like they have at their other schools I would not lose one minutes sleep over it. Sports is nothing more than entertainment to me. Do I enjoy watching good LDS kids give their all on the field of play? Yes. But if BYU sports were to go away I'll easily find something else to do with that time. Probably something a lot more important.

For sure, my testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in no way is contingent upon BYU fielding s sports program.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

That's one way to get exposure on ESPN.

lixircat
Indianapolis, IN

@ BraveSirRobin
I lived in upstate NY for a few years near Jimmer's home town of Glens Falls. The first time I drove through the town I was surprised to see 4 or 5 guys wearing Jimmer BYU jerseys walking the streets of "downtown". The elders up there said they got stopped all the time by people asking about Jimmer and BYU.
Now I am NOT saying that I know of anyone who got baptized because of that exposure, but having people approach the missionaries instead of the other way around can't be a bad thing.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

@rtimesr2
My facts are straight. I said home games (as in those played in Provo). Anyone can play road games against good teams.

In the next 3 seasons only 1 power conference school is scheduled to come to provo (and it is Virginia)

2014: Virginia
2015: no one
2016: no one

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Whether Busby knew he was breaking the rules or not remains to be seen, but somebody at BYU knew the things he was doing were against the rules and when someone high enough up the chain finally found out about it he was forced out. You don't force a person out of a job they have held for 18 years unless something really bad happened. When Busby left Bronco talked about how valued he was and how much he would be missed. It remains to be seen whether or not Bronco knew about the allegations at that time, but I would be willing to bet he did. One other thing that increases the severity in cases like this is a pattern of behavior over a long period of time. In other words, if he had been doing this for years as the allegations have said, then it becomes a much more serious matter than if he just wanted to help a player or two who were down on their luck last season.

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

Now we know why Samuelson was ushered out. It's time for Holmoe to go, this is just another in a string of poor management he has shown.

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