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Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 9:40 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

All of the so-called establishment Republicans who won these primaries have essentially adopted Tea Party positions on most issues. The Tea Party has not lost its relevance, it has simply taken over the Republican party.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Has the tea party lost its relevance?

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They've always been the "Vocal MINORITY".

They call Ronald Reagan a Saint,
but commit the cardinal sin by breaking his 11th Commandment --

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

They must now be punished for their own sins,
and not for the GOP's transgressions...

Patrick Henry
West Jordan, UT

Let's hope so. But like most things the tea party insanity will take time to die out.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

When you elect Tea Party candidates and all they accomplish is to shut down the government over one issue, voters are not likely to trust you with power again.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

That presumes that the Tea party had any relevance in the first place. From what I've seen of it and its proponents, they didn't.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Interesting not one comment of the principles of the Tea Party. Of course the Tea Party is not a monolithic organization, but usually they want a simplified tax structure and lower taxes, less red tape, and to head for a balanced budget. Such awful things.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Don't forget history. The T-Party was the primary reason the Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in 2010. If that had not happened, there would have been no check on Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Obama. That is what the American people voted for, some check or balance to government. So, for as long as the Republicans hold the House, the T-Party is relevent.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Roland is right, as usual. When GOP incumbents consider the expense and work of getting dragged into a primary, the answer is to go even MORE right to make any challenge tougher. After all, most of the districts are drawn in such a way as to tip the field heavily that way. So it doesn't matter what the suits call themselves. They plan to stay as long as Strom Thurmond.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

The Tea Party was never a political party, but is instead a grass roots movement. While several candidates, groups, and other individuals pretend to represent the Tea Party, all they can really say is that they support some of the ideals that the movement espouses.

If you want smaller government, more personal accountability, and simpler taxes and regulations, then you align with the Tea Party whether to attend a rally or not. Conservatives need to get behind candidates and issues that promote true conservative views and not fall for simple slogans and empty promises. That will drive everyone in the GOP to take the "Tea Party" seriously.

I find it funny how a far right-wing candidate who says silly things and fails to win an election is widely reported in the press as a "Tea Party Defeat", but when a far-left candidate does the same kinds of things, the press downplays their radical views and promotes them as "Moderate".

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I don't know of anything the Tea Party wants that anybody wouldn't want. I don't know why leftists feel such an irresistible venom for them, or the need to vilify them.

GOOGLE "Tea Party Movement Platform"

1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes
2. Eliminate the National Debt
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending
4. Protect Free Markets
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States
6. Promote Civic Responsibility
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government
8. Believe in the People
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
10. Maintain Local Independence

What's so "EEEVIL" about that???

Those who say they're a racist organization... are just mis-informed or political hacks...

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You understand it's not a "Party" (as in a "POLITICAL Party"). It's a movement. A group of people with a cause they want to promote. Not a "political Party".

The "PARTY" in the movement name.... comes from "Tea Party" (the one that happened in 1789 -- remember your history)... Since the people starting this movement had similar concerns and goals (one protesting King George, other protesting todays Congress)... they took the name of that symbolic event for their movement name... it's NOT a "Political Party".

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Agree with Roland. If the Tea Party wants to exist, it will need to become even more extreme (which seems to be what it is doing), because the GOP has simply adopted all its former craziness.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

2 bits: "What's so "EEEVIL" about that???"

Nothing at evil about those general goals. Even liberal Democrats can get behind them (and President Clinton did a good job on achieving the first three). The problems come in taking these reasonable centrist goals and applying them in extremis. "Eliminate Excessive Taxes" becomes "Oppose any and all taxation" in TP practice. "Protect Free Markets" morphs into "Oppose any business regulation" and "Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics" is rendered as "Shut the government down in a huff and discredit your allies as RINOs." And so on.

The debate is nothing new. Recall the power struggle in the 1980s between the "realos" (realistic compromising coalition builders) and "fundies" (fundamentalists rigidly adhering to principle) in the West German Green Party.

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

I don't see where the Tea Party is extreme. They are rooted right were most of the US lies, and that is conservative. The extremists are the liberals and their support of Progressive policies and their unquestioning support of Obama and other liberal leaders.

As of January 2014 38% identified themselves as conservative, and 23% identified as liberal, with the remainder considering themselves moderates. And that was a Gallup poll, which tends to bias liberal to begin with.

The fact is that the Tea Party speaks to the single largest ideological group, but the very loud and vocal left wing extremists want us to believe otherwise.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Lagomorph: "Nothing at [all] evil about those general goals. Even liberal Democrats can get behind them (and President Clinton did a good job on achieving the first three)."

Really??

Can you name ONE of those 10 goals that Obama, Reid, Polosi, or the other liberal Democrats in office is willing to get behind?

And by "get behind", I don't mean that they give a speach about "Believe in the People" or "Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics" and then turn around and do everything in their power to take away power from the people and to play political games all day long.

While I admit that few Republicans are doing much with these goals, every action from the Dems these days is about piling on another layer of taxation, writing another book of regulations, and concentrating ever more power in Washington D.C. away from local control.

airnaut
Everett, 00

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA
I don't see where the Tea Party is extreme. They are rooted right were most of the US lies, and that is conservative.

As of January 2014 38% identified themselves as conservative, and 23% identified as liberal, with the remainder considering themselves moderates.

The fact is that the Tea Party speaks to the single largest ideological group, but the very loud and vocal left wing extremists want us to believe otherwise.

1:33 p.m. May 22, 2014

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"The tea party was an important factor in the 2010 elections, but its support may be waning, Today, only 15% of Americans say they are supporters of the tea party movement - the lowest ever.

The movement may be losing some of its core constituency -- Republicans. 32% of Republicans now consider themselves supporters of the tea party - down 10 points from February and a decline of 23 points from July 2010." ~ CBS News May 21, 2014

But you're right about one thing --- You can see that.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

2 bits

I really think that the vitriolic attitude against the T-Party is because of the success they had in taking away a lot of the dreams of the liberals/Democrats. After the 2008 election, they had it all. White House, fillabuster proof Senate, and the House. All run by some of the most liberal leaders this country has ever had. That's how the ACA got passed by the way. Commentators were actually saying that the Republican Party had lost its national influence and had become a "regional party". Well, along comes Scott Brown, who had the audacity to win Ted Kennedys seat in the Senate as a Republican, and then the 2010 elections. The Democrats and liberals saw that they had squandered a huge opportunity to get anything they wanted passed, because they believed that they were going to have all the power from that time onward. Didn't happen, and it leaves a bitter taste for them. The object of their frustration is the T-Party. Hence, the anger toward it.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@happy2bhere,

They didn't only ruin the dreams of some liberals/Democrats. They also derailed some ineffective Republican incumbents who expected to hold onto their seats in Washington forever.

They had the audacity to actually DO what most liberals posting to this page were demanding at the end of the Bush era... Kick them ALL out.

Evidently the liberals were just giving lip-service to this cry to throw out all incumbents... but the Tea Party people took it seriously... and actually did it. And now the left HATES them for it...

I just don't get it. Tea Party was able to replace mostly ineffective Republican incumbents (but because they also got a few Democrats)... the Left hates them for doing it! And they were the ones demanding it!

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Tea Party ideals and the people who adopt them, are not perfect. But neither are Democrats (OR Republicans).

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

To "airnaut" those are some nice numbers, but they don't address the issue.

Since the Tea Party principles are conservative, and the largest ideological group is conservative, that means that their ideas are mainstream. Since their ideas are mainstream, that means that the liberal/Progressive ideas are the extreme because they are so far away from the mainstream ideas.

Explain how ideas that conform to the political ideals of the largest group can be considered extreme. To help you, here is the definition of extreme "very far from agreeing with the opinions of most people : not moderate" Remember most people are CONSERVATIVE, followed by moderate, and then liberal.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

What is so amusing thing is I see all these people extolling these "tea party values" like they are something unique to this group of people. The idea of a balanced budget has nothing to do with the Tea Party. In fact, the only time we had one in recent history was when Republicans and the Clinton administration compromised on a budget plan. It was not started by any fringe group. The main stream of both parties did that.

Pretending the Tea Party somehow extolled values that 95% of Americans don't share is delusional.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Has the Tea Party lost in relevance?

The Tea Party and the kind of people it attracts are still relevant . . . as a negative force . . . a dark side to America.

TP folks are essentially just Republicans who are a little more irrational than the average irrational Republican. And they are even more motivated by the basic Republican motivators . . . Hate and a desire for retribution.

Mitch McConnel is not a TP guy, yet it was he who voiced the attitude adopted by the Republican Party. "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Defeating Obama became the goal of the Republicans, not helping the nation.

In fact, Republicans tacitly agreed that the very best way to defeat Obama would be to harm the nation, and they did, by blocking every Democratic initiative that would have created employment. They hurt the nation much more than they hurt Obama.

The cavalier attitude the TP showed about shutting down the government, thereby wasting billions for no good reason further demonstrates the general TP attitude.

The Tea Party and the Republican Party are synonymous, and the impulsive evil they embody is still relevant.

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