Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 9:40 a.m. MDT
All of the so-called establishment Republicans who won these primaries have
essentially adopted Tea Party positions on most issues. The Tea Party has not
lost its relevance, it has simply taken over the Republican party.
Has the tea party lost its relevance?======== They've always been the "Vocal MINORITY".They call
Ronald Reagan a Saint, but commit the cardinal sin by breaking his 11th
Commandment -- "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow
Republican."They must now be punished for their own sins, and not for the GOP's transgressions...
Let's hope so. But like most things the tea party insanity will take time
to die out.
When you elect Tea Party candidates and all they accomplish is to shut down the
government over one issue, voters are not likely to trust you with power again.
That presumes that the Tea party had any relevance in the first place. From
what I've seen of it and its proponents, they didn't.
Interesting not one comment of the principles of the Tea Party. Of course the
Tea Party is not a monolithic organization, but usually they want a simplified
tax structure and lower taxes, less red tape, and to head for a balanced budget.
Such awful things.
Don't forget history. The T-Party was the primary reason the Republicans
took control of the House of Representatives in 2010. If that had not happened,
there would have been no check on Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Obama. That is
what the American people voted for, some check or balance to government. So,
for as long as the Republicans hold the House, the T-Party is relevent.
Roland is right, as usual. When GOP incumbents consider the expense and work of
getting dragged into a primary, the answer is to go even MORE right to make any
challenge tougher. After all, most of the districts are drawn in such a way as
to tip the field heavily that way. So it doesn't matter what the suits call
themselves. They plan to stay as long as Strom Thurmond.
The Tea Party was never a political party, but is instead a grass roots
movement. While several candidates, groups, and other individuals pretend to
represent the Tea Party, all they can really say is that they support some of
the ideals that the movement espouses.If you want smaller
government, more personal accountability, and simpler taxes and regulations,
then you align with the Tea Party whether to attend a rally or not.
Conservatives need to get behind candidates and issues that promote true
conservative views and not fall for simple slogans and empty promises. That will
drive everyone in the GOP to take the "Tea Party" seriously.I find it funny how a far right-wing candidate who says silly things and fails
to win an election is widely reported in the press as a "Tea Party
Defeat", but when a far-left candidate does the same kinds of things, the
press downplays their radical views and promotes them as "Moderate".
I don't know of anything the Tea Party wants that anybody wouldn't
want. I don't know why leftists feel such an irresistible venom for them,
or the need to vilify them.GOOGLE "Tea Party Movement
Platform"1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes 2. Eliminate the
National Debt3. Eliminate Deficit Spending4. Protect Free Markets
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States6. Promote Civic
Responsibility7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government8. Believe in
the People 9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics10. Maintain Local
IndependenceWhat's so "EEEVIL" about that???Those who say they're a racist organization... are just mis-informed or
political hacks...====You understand it's not a
"Party" (as in a "POLITICAL Party"). It's a movement. A
group of people with a cause they want to promote. Not a "political
Party".The "PARTY" in the movement name.... comes from
"Tea Party" (the one that happened in 1789 -- remember your history)...
Since the people starting this movement had similar concerns and goals (one
protesting King George, other protesting todays Congress)... they took the name
of that symbolic event for their movement name... it's NOT a "Political
Agree with Roland. If the Tea Party wants to exist, it will need to become even
more extreme (which seems to be what it is doing), because the GOP has simply
adopted all its former craziness.
2 bits: "What's so "EEEVIL" about that???"Nothing at evil about those general goals. Even liberal Democrats can get
behind them (and President Clinton did a good job on achieving the first three).
The problems come in taking these reasonable centrist goals and applying them
in extremis. "Eliminate Excessive Taxes" becomes "Oppose any and
all taxation" in TP practice. "Protect Free Markets" morphs into
"Oppose any business regulation" and "Avoid the Pitfalls of
Politics" is rendered as "Shut the government down in a huff and
discredit your allies as RINOs." And so on.The debate is
nothing new. Recall the power struggle in the 1980s between the
"realos" (realistic compromising coalition builders) and
"fundies" (fundamentalists rigidly adhering to principle) in the West
German Green Party.
I don't see where the Tea Party is extreme. They are rooted right were
most of the US lies, and that is conservative. The extremists are the liberals
and their support of Progressive policies and their unquestioning support of
Obama and other liberal leaders.As of January 2014 38% identified
themselves as conservative, and 23% identified as liberal, with the remainder
considering themselves moderates. And that was a Gallup poll, which tends to
bias liberal to begin with.The fact is that the Tea Party speaks to
the single largest ideological group, but the very loud and vocal left wing
extremists want us to believe otherwise.
Lagomorph: "Nothing at [all] evil about those general goals. Even liberal
Democrats can get behind them (and President Clinton did a good job on achieving
the first three)."Really??Can you name ONE of those
10 goals that Obama, Reid, Polosi, or the other liberal Democrats in office is
willing to get behind?And by "get behind", I don't mean
that they give a speach about "Believe in the People" or "Avoid the
Pitfalls of Politics" and then turn around and do everything in their power
to take away power from the people and to play political games all day long.While I admit that few Republicans are doing much with these goals,
every action from the Dems these days is about piling on another layer of
taxation, writing another book of regulations, and concentrating ever more power
in Washington D.C. away from local control.
RedShirtCalTechPasedena, CAI don't see where the Tea Party is
extreme. They are rooted right were most of the US lies, and that is
conservative. As of January 2014 38% identified themselves as
conservative, and 23% identified as liberal, with the remainder considering
themselves moderates.The fact is that the Tea Party speaks to the
single largest ideological group, but the very loud and vocal left wing
extremists want us to believe otherwise.1:33 p.m. May 22, 2014======== "The tea party was an important factor in the
2010 elections, but its support may be waning, Today, only 15% of Americans say
they are supporters of the tea party movement - the lowest ever. The
movement may be losing some of its core constituency -- Republicans. 32% of
Republicans now consider themselves supporters of the tea party - down 10 points
from February and a decline of 23 points from July 2010." ~ CBS News May
21, 2014But you're right about one thing --- You can see that.
2 bitsI really think that the vitriolic attitude against the T-Party
is because of the success they had in taking away a lot of the dreams of the
liberals/Democrats. After the 2008 election, they had it all. White House,
fillabuster proof Senate, and the House. All run by some of the most liberal
leaders this country has ever had. That's how the ACA got passed by the
way. Commentators were actually saying that the Republican Party had lost its
national influence and had become a "regional party". Well, along comes
Scott Brown, who had the audacity to win Ted Kennedys seat in the Senate as a
Republican, and then the 2010 elections. The Democrats and liberals saw that
they had squandered a huge opportunity to get anything they wanted passed,
because they believed that they were going to have all the power from that time
onward. Didn't happen, and it leaves a bitter taste for them. The object
of their frustration is the T-Party. Hence, the anger toward it.
@happy2bhere,They didn't only ruin the dreams of some
liberals/Democrats. They also derailed some ineffective Republican incumbents
who expected to hold onto their seats in Washington forever.They had
the audacity to actually DO what most liberals posting to this page were
demanding at the end of the Bush era... Kick them ALL out.Evidently
the liberals were just giving lip-service to this cry to throw out all
incumbents... but the Tea Party people took it seriously... and actually did it.
And now the left HATES them for it...I just don't get it.
Tea Party was able to replace mostly ineffective Republican incumbents (but
because they also got a few Democrats)... the Left hates them for doing it!
And they were the ones demanding it!===Tea Party ideals
and the people who adopt them, are not perfect. But neither are Democrats (OR
To "airnaut" those are some nice numbers, but they don't address
the issue.Since the Tea Party principles are conservative, and the
largest ideological group is conservative, that means that their ideas are
mainstream. Since their ideas are mainstream, that means that the
liberal/Progressive ideas are the extreme because they are so far away from the
mainstream ideas.Explain how ideas that conform to the political
ideals of the largest group can be considered extreme. To help you, here is the
definition of extreme "very far from agreeing with the opinions of most
people : not moderate" Remember most people are CONSERVATIVE, followed by
moderate, and then liberal.
What is so amusing thing is I see all these people extolling these "tea
party values" like they are something unique to this group of people. The
idea of a balanced budget has nothing to do with the Tea Party. In fact, the
only time we had one in recent history was when Republicans and the Clinton
administration compromised on a budget plan. It was not started by any fringe
group. The main stream of both parties did that.Pretending the Tea
Party somehow extolled values that 95% of Americans don't share is
Has the Tea Party lost in relevance?The Tea Party and the kind of
people it attracts are still relevant . . . as a negative force . . . a dark
side to America.TP folks are essentially just Republicans who are a
little more irrational than the average irrational Republican. And they are even
more motivated by the basic Republican motivators . . . Hate and a desire for
retribution. Mitch McConnel is not a TP guy, yet it was he who
voiced the attitude adopted by the Republican Party. "The single most
important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term
president." Defeating Obama became the goal of the Republicans, not helping
the nation.In fact, Republicans tacitly agreed that the very best
way to defeat Obama would be to harm the nation, and they did, by blocking every
Democratic initiative that would have created employment. They hurt the nation
much more than they hurt Obama.The cavalier attitude the TP showed
about shutting down the government, thereby wasting billions for no good reason
further demonstrates the general TP attitude.The Tea Party and the
Republican Party are synonymous, and the impulsive evil they embody is still
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