Is the expectation that players essentially play football with no economic
benefit to themselves ethical? Maybe what we should question is not the
violation, but the rules that ban these types of benefits in the first place.
Are such benefits really wrong?
The NCAA has so diminished its importance and credibility, particularly with the
devastating sanctions it placed on USC, and after, allowing Miami, Oregon, North
Carolina, and Ohio St. off the hook having committed much more severe outrages
against the rules, whatever BYU comes up with will most likely not hurt their
football program. Only their pride.BYU is an institution built on
firm and publicized moral and ethical principles, and their being classification
as a "cheater," will be devastating to them for many years to come. I
hope it is not true, or that is is limited to one individual. USC was penalized
for the actions of one individual, whose alleged misconduct (actually the
misconduct of his parents) took place in San Diego, not on the USC campus or
anywhere near it. BYU could receive greater sanctions just because it does
publicly take the high road of morality and ethics.Good luck to
them. Like many Utah grads, I cheer for Utah, but enjoy the success of BYU
Alpine CougAlpine, UT"RE: panamadesnewsThank
you very much for that reference to the Bleacher Report article on Duane Busby.
Totally impressed by Duane Busby and his role in the BYU football program.No doubt our anti-BYU trolls will continue to have a field day with
these allegations without really understanding the true nature of this good
man."What type of a man he is in no way relevant to The NCAA nor
will mitigate sactions resulting from any proven rules infractions. From their
perspective, it's entirely 100% black-and-white. Did U violate the rules or
@ sammyg"Does it feel good?"I would be lying if
I said that BYU's last week didn't bring some schadenfreude.
Typical 'classy' rants from a "fan" base who just lurks around
BYU looking for that special opportunity to let 'it' out. Does it feel good?I for one will wait and see what happens and
I'm not worried the least bit. Life will go on with or without violations,
etc...... and the Utes will still be bowl-less and home again for
the holidays.That's what's really important isn't it?
This page brought to you by Tomahawk Red. Lol"Signed, the BYU band
leader who never misses a chance to pile on Utah... for anything."I have posted on numerous occasions complimenting Utah and speaking positively
of their program. I can honestly say that I would never want Utah's
football or athletic programs to cease existing or become completely irrelevant
(and I have said that on more than one occasion). Question is could you say the
same thing? I only criticize Utah when I feel it's warranted...maybe even
more than I should but that's not piling on when/if Utah has had sanctions,
player/personnel issues, or injuries. Utah fans here wanting the end of their
rival is truly sad.
"To the Utah fans:. . .Let he who is without sin cast the
first stone. . . with THAT being said, we won't hear any more snarkiness
from your side for quite some time, shall we?"Bleed:Thanks for confessing our sins for us, coug fans. You do it so well, and so
MP--U referenced improper behavior at byu which was never adequately
censored, not unlike this article--"Sure.1) Max
Hall2) Barry Lamb3) Fans/students throwing trash at referees -
basketball4) Fans throwing trash at referees - footballHolmoe's corrective action...wait long enough and it will go
away."Throw-in falslev who, while still in uniform, squarely
dropped the F-bomb before the camera, which then immediately went viral on
YouTube....This was immediately following bronco not remaining professional and,
instead, allowing himself to be goated into a confrontation w/suspenders, which
equally made its way into YouTube....Never heard a peep about either
embarrassing incident in follow-up....Hardly Christlike behavior for two church
reps while in the public eye....At mininum, a public apology was in order from
both, just as what this article's content, if proven accurate, will in part
panamadesnews,I'm sure Duane Busby is a good man. Everyone who
knows him and has commented about him in the media says so. I have no reason to
doubt that. That doesn't change the serious nature of what has been
alleged and even what BYU has confirmed they are looking into. Does a man
resign from a beloved job in the midst of an investigation, if he did nothing
wrong? I for one am simply joining in the conversation of what the implications
are for the BYU football program. I do not condemn anyone. Duane Busby has
already taken a huge hit by losing a job he obviously dearly loved and was very
good at. What is being discussed here now is what happens to the program.
As a Utah fan, I hope this isn't something that is going to cripple
BYU's program. However, if rules were broken, then penalties have to be
paid. Utah got in trouble when Majerus bought Van Horn breakfast, trying to
console a heartbroken kid who's father had just died. If Utah can get in
trouble for that totally inconspicuous, and totally understandable, violation of
the rules, BYU will have to pay some sort of price, no matter how great the guy
is/was and his motive for doing so. If BYU only gets a slap on the wrist, then
so be it.What is entertaining in this string of posts is the
reaction by BYU fans, not only to what is happening with their program, but with
the reaction by Utah fans. If this was a story about Utah, the BYU fan base
would rain down on Utah like a Vegas monsoon, pounding us with righteous
indignation that this was modus operandi for the classless heathens on the hill.
However, since it is happening in Utah County, it is excusable because
everybody does it and Busby is a great guy according to Bleacher Report.
We would all be well served to remember the Savior's counsel, "He
without sin cast the first stone".
I'm waiting for the post out of happy valley with a reference to a story
scoured (or made-up) quoting some obscure publication that lamely attempts to
re-focus the conversation towards imagined problems at Utah.
As a BYU fan/student, I almost hope something bad happens. Then maybe players
will be allowed to transfer (and will transfer), and then they can have open
tryouts to fill the roster, and I can go back and try and resurrect the glory
days of football. Just trying to find the silver lining here.
@Tomahawk RedI doubt things aren't so squeaky clean on the hill
either, wouldn't pound your chests to loudly buddy
Cosmo1974Woods Cross, UTI think it would be safe to say that if
whatever this situation is was happening to Utah, all their so called
"fans" would be saying the same basic things BYU fans are saying
like,"Lets wait for all the facts to come in","Nobody yet knows what
really happened","Show some respect." etc., etc.--------And likewise, if it were happening to Utah you can bet BYU
fans would be doing exactly the same thing as Ute fans are doing now.You can take that to the bank and cash it.
RE: panamadesnewsThank you very much for that reference to the
Bleacher Report article on Duane Busby. Totally impressed by Duane Busby and
his role in the BYU football program.No doubt our anti-BYU trolls
will continue to have a field day with these allegations without really
understanding the true nature of this good man.
Per my previous post, the title of the article on Bleacher Report is,
"Former Coug Stevenson defends the accused".
I suggest everyone on this site go to "Bleacher Report" and read a great
story about Duane Busby by a former BYU player, who sees Duane as the one who
helped him the most, even more so than Lavell Edwards. It is a good read and you
will come away impressed. It will also explain Bronco's comments and his
feelings about Busby leaving BYU. This read is a must for all BYU fans!
"I believe ... Busby was funneling money ..."I don't
care who you are, that comment is just funny! - funneling money - Keep the
My Perspective:Like Whoa Nellie said...Nice try.How do
you know what was or wasn't done in each of these situations? How do you
know that nothing was done to the students that could be identified in the trash
throwing? Everyone knows these incidents happened. I don't know who Barry
Lamb is so I can't comment on him, but I heard Max Hall's comments,
saw the trash throwing at the basketball game, and I was right there by the ramp
as those terrible referees got trash thrown on them. All these incidents show a
complete lack of sportsmanship, but there is no way any fan can know for sure
what was or was not done until the individuals involved release the information.
Glad BYU is being proactive about the investigation.That being said,
the NCAA rules and regulations are somewhat archaic and over-reaching.I hope this is resolved quickly.Now let's go win some games!
One thing that should be made clear, players on scholarship are either provided
housing while at school or are given rent money as part of their scholarship.
Any discounted or subsidized rent would then allow them to take the money from
their scholarship and spend it on something else. This also
wasn't done across the board. Certain players got the favors and others
didn't. There's been no indication of what the criteria were to get
the favors. Most have said that Busby wasn't wealthy and
wasn't known to own rental units so I believe boosters were likely involved
and Busby was funneling money or arranging for housing discounts in booster
BB,You're starting to get frantic and emotional. I've seen some
of the comments that come from happy valley. I assume that the writers are
LDS..So if they say and do things in the name cougar football, that is ok?
I missed it in the story. Did anybody catch the name of the ute fan who brought
Hoffman's socks to the attention of the Utah Compliance Department???
@UteMiguel...The football program brings out the worst in some of
the fans and is at best a distraction to the school's and the church's
mission...I have seen some of your comments on these forums... I
assume you are LDS... So if you say and so things in the name of UTE football
that is ok???
I am not a BYU fan but all the Utah fans might want to be careful with all the
criticism. My guess it is happening at Utah as well.
Division I collegiate football, and to a slightly lesser extent basketball, have
been twisted and perverted into full fledged development leagues of the NFL and
NBA respectively, they are unabashedly professional sports. Decadence almost to
the scale of the NFL and NBA. Assistant coaches are paid $500k salaries. Both
sports have morphed to the point where neither holds my interest anymore.
Looking it at it these days from a new perspective, it is suprising, and a
little amusing, how many people continue to buy into it. With each passing day
these two sports run increasingly counter to BYU's mission, or stated
mission. Someday, hopefully sooner rather than later, they'll have the
courage to take the the detour and exit the D-I football and basketball road.
Until several sources go on the record and the allegations are substantiated,
this is a non story. If there were violations then go on the record and break
the story. Until then, leave the speculation to the National Enquirer. I'm
a Ute fan, but I have no patience for this kind of speculative reporting. There are instances of blatant disregard for NCAA rules and those
schools should be sanctioned, but the NCAA itself often lacks the
"institutional control" it expects its member schools to abide by.
Student athletes, especially football players, make universities and the media
billions of dollars and many of them end up like pro players with permanent
concussion problems, arthritis, bad knees and never play a down or get a
paycheck by playing in the NFL.Yes, they know the risks and they
choose to play, but the NCAA should be ashamed at the number of stories of
athletes living in cars while AD's, coaches, and the media make millions.
I don't like it, but considering all of the hard work, long hours, and big
profits, football players deserve free food and free rent. It is hard enough to
focus on faith, family, education, friends, and football without it.
It don’t matter if we do that stuff anyways because we are in a power
conference and that makes us prestegous so theres no problem about it.Go Utes!
@Mildred in FillmoreLike my mom always told me, if you're friend
jumped off a cliff would you?
It's been a tough couple weeks for us BYU fans. This could turn out to be
serious or not much but it sounds like it will be more of something than
nothing. Yes, it makes me mad and disappointed when people do knuckle headed
stuff like this (or what it appears to be) especially when that knucklehead is a
staff member. Ugh and double UGH! I also agree that athletes ought to be
allowed living expenses but for now, that's not the rule. You can work to
change them but until then, you live by them. Heck, I was offered a full-ride
plus living expenses for a non-athletic scholarship so see no reason why they
shouldn't have that available too. If the activity you're getting the
scholarship for doesn't allow you to work, you've got to have
something. At the time Busby retired, I just chalked it up to a
personality trait that he didn't want any fanfare. Now this makes more
sense (in a bad way) that he would retire so abruptly and asked for no
recognition for his service. Yikes! Keeping fingers crossed.
Everyone is just ganging up on us.What's the big deal?
Everybody does it.
perspective, Nice try but missed, again.
If BYU has to forfeit wins or is ruled ineligible for bowl games moving forward,
I'll acknowledge there was serious rule-breaking; otherwise, same old
stuff, different day.
Whoa NellieAmerican Fork, UT"perspective, could you please
give one example of Holmoe sweeping something under the rug. Don't bother
trying because neither you nor anyone else can do so."Sure.1) Max Hall2) Barry Lamb3) Fans/students throwing trash at
referees - basketball4) Fans throwing trash at referees - footballHolmoe's corrective action...wait long enough and it will go
away.If these allegations are accurate, a "thorough byu
inquiry" will likely be only the beginning.
Sad sad day for Byu, i've lost all faith in any sports whatsoever. With
guys biting each others ears off in front of hundreds of kids etc etc, soccer
fans killing people, no need to even mention all the stuff that goes no in pro
sports. Well I used to prefer college football over the NFL but now with the
amount of corruption that goes on in colleges its despicable. Bronco should be
fired, i've never thought he was a good coach at all and he isn't,
maybe he's a great guy that's fine but he should be sent packing.
Unfortunate, if true.Maybe BYU might be able to do what the sister
campus in Idaho did and what the sister campus in Hawaii is doing now.Pure intramural sports. It would remove many distractions from BYU's
mission, though I do admit, they do get some exposure from their sports programs
though honestly there are other programs such as the Young Ambassadors that get
FAR more exposure.Until BYU joins a bigger conference it might be
ten years before they defeat the Utes. Problem is no one wants BYU. Not even
I agree that we shouldn't condemn anyone before the investigation is
complete, but there is enough information to know something happened. When an
18 year employee resigns abruptly with no explanation in the midst of an
investigation into his conduct with certain past and present players, something
is wrong. Sure, we don't know the specifics, but BYU has publicly revealed
those two facts. So I have to disagree with the comments claiming this is much
ado about nothing.
@ nhatch82"Another reason we wont be calling-the Pac
12 conference of champions""How do you figure this? USC won
in 2004 but it was vacated by "improper benefits" hmmm..... before that
it was USC in 1972 the last time a pac 12 team won. Colorado won in 1990 but
that was not a Pac 12 win. that would be a big 12 win. so where is the champion
thing coming from??"The PAC-12 is known as the "Conference
of Champions" because they've won more NCAA National Championships than
any other conference in the country. The PAC-12 has won 457 National Titles.
It's not just about football, it's overall athletics that the PAC-12
perspective, could you please give one example of Holmoe sweeping something
under the rug. Don't bother trying because neither you nor anyone else can
Utah'95 "I encourage my fellow Ute fans to pass on heckling their
rivals on this issue. I believe this is a "there but for the grace of God go
I" situation."I agree with the heckling sentiment, but note
that some Cougar fans have been quite boastful about never having been
sanctioned by the NCAA. That may change. This could be a "pride goeth
before the fall" situation.
The rules are ridiculous.You can't live on a scholarship check
and the NCAA prohibits athletes from working. Unless your parents are funneling
you cash then you can't make it.I don't think athletes
should even be in the situation where they are needing to accept stuff from
boosters. Just give them enough money to live.
Ernest T. BassBountiful, UT"byu fans were in favor of
firing an AD over a mean swim coach so in this case I suppose they would want
all the football coaches and AD staff fired."A valid
observation, Ernest. Alas, the proverbial shoe is on the other foot now and of
course, this instance is no big deal. Just ask the byu fans. byu
conducting their own investigation is a bit troubling given Holmoe's
penchant for sweeping issues under the rug. No apologies necessary. I guess
it's protocol in cases like this but to Ernest's point, the U had a
third party conduct the investigation and even that wasn't good enough for
byu fans. Karma.Yes, the NCAA rules are archaic and over the top
but they are rules all programs have to live by, even byu. What is particularly
troubling in this case is that, if true, the infractions involve administration
payed by byu who knew, or reasonably should have known, their actions were
wrong. This is not the careless act of one or a group of fans. Let
the investigation play out but this is indeed unfortunate.
@ChrisB"Another reason we wont be calling- the Pac
12 conference of champions"How do you figure this? USC won in
2004 but it was vacated by "improper benefits" hmmm..... before that it
was USC in 1972 the last time a pac 12 team won. Colorado won in 1990 but that
was not a Pac 12 win. that would be a big 12 win. so where is the champion
thing coming from?
re: Hutterite"That Stadium would make an incredible engineering
lab, in dollars and cents."Its already an experiment in Physics
every time Riley throws the ball.Seriously, are you suggesting that
the y does something similar to Tennessee who has their Anthropology Dept at one
of Neyland Stadium?
byu fans were in favor of firing an AD over a mean swim coach so in this case I
suppose they would want all the football coaches and AD staff fired.
Regardless of how this plays out, my hope is those in power will see fit to keep
byu's opponents in perpetual heartfelt gratitude by ensuring both
bronco/holmoe stay put in their current capacities, long-term....Thanks in
I'd think it very difficult to make sense of NCAA rules as applied in the
context of the prevalent BYU attitude of lending a helping hand to someone in
need. The NCAA's absolutist rules penalize student athletes in so many
ways. Sure there can be abuses, but those are what the NCAA should focus on
rather than technical violations of the letter of the law. Substituting rules
for judgment is just a way of avoiding responsibility for exercising what is
perhaps the most important quality of humans. If abuses were the focus, rather
than occurrence, 'mistakes' could result in admonitions and
corrections rather than the guillotine.
This wouldn't be an issue if BYU could just win.But we
won't really "win" when we need to. This investigation just makes
If the allegations are true then both Bronco and Holmoe need to go since it
happened on their watch!
To the Utah fans:1 - Let's just wait and see until we all have
more credible facts before we start throwing stuff around, eh? 2 -
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."So.....with
THAT being said, we won't hear any more snarkiness from your side for quite
some time, shall we?....I'm glad we had this little chat.
The short minded history of both BYU and Utah (anti-BYU) fans. Did not Crowton
have a major scandal that include allegations of rape, etc? Did we not hear the
same hand-wringing, glee of BYU's demise? And....In the end a
strong measure of justice will be handed out, BYU football will continue along
much the same path. The BCS Conferences will neither say yes or no based on any
of this. The MWC the same. Schools such as Texas, Notre Dame, USC, etc will not
change their equation for scheduling BYU in the future one bit. Virtually every major sporting program will have at some point something like
this. Not to excuse it but human nature kicks in, people make bad choices, they
are discovered and the process of justice kicks in. The next step is
to allow the process to play itself out. The speculation among fans implying
they have some great insight as to what actually happened and by whom, comical.
Anyway....it is a BYU football story. So long as it has the letters B, Y and U
it will be cause for the trolls and anti-trolls to lashout. It gets tiring.
I only read part of the comments because I was completely turned off by the
extreme negativity of Utah fans. Sound like the typical verdict of guilty coming
before the we have heard all the facts. Breathing room requested while we wait
to get the full story. Go Cougars!
This is unfortunate for BYU.As a lifelong Utah fan, I LOVE it when
the Utes beat BYU on the field or court, but I have always admired how BYU goes
about their business. If there was wrongdoing in Provo, it is the exception
rather than the rule for the BYU athletic department.I encourage my
fellow Ute fans to pass on heckling their rivals on this issue. I believe this
is a "there but for the grace of God go I" situation.
Wow...Jury of anonymous posters already has all the evidence? Sharks in the
water? Hilarious. Much ado about nothing.
It's been a bizarre week of news in Provo. Maybe it's time to stress
over cookie presents while the SEC and BIG 10 commit major violations while the
little guys get scholarships taken away over a soda pop. The NCAA is so corrupt.
Utah and Boise have felt their unjust wrath. If it's BYU's turn, then
that bites. This Ute is waiting for more news, if it ever legitimately comes,
before passing any judgment on the blue.
Look on the bright side BYU....it's national exposure.
just wait until the out of state members of the LDS Church start complaining
that the byu football team is making the members look bad, that's when byu
Provo becomes byu Idaho/Hawaii.
Re: UteMiguelAs a member of the LDS Church, do you want to see the
LDS Church shut down it's missionary program because there are elders
around the world who do despicable things like get investigators pregnant or
shack up with other sister missionaries? Shutting down the sports programs at
BYU for PR Reasons isn't a good reason to end sports. If that's your
reasoning for why the programs should shut down, then maybe the whole Mormon
Church should shut itself down because there are members who say they believe
one way and do another, and that sets a bad example too.
As a Ute Fan, this is almost laughable. Why would BYU do this? They don't
need to do it.
wazzupCottonwood Heights, UT said:"It will boil down to a
single member of the staff, who recently retired, and meals and other stuff that
he gave players on his own. Like always, the local media loves this stuff.
Fortunately the speculation will be worse than the actual facts."Wow, care to share your inside information with us? Nobody knows what is going
on, including yourself. So please keep the speculation to a minimum until we
know the actual story.
That Stadium would make an incredible engineering lab, in dollars and cents.
I will play for you, but I can't afford rent. I also wouldn't mind
What's troubling is the person who made a decision to do these things was
the Director of Football Operations hired initially by LaVell, rehired by Gary
and Bronco. It's difficult to believe the Director of Football Operations
would not know the NCAA regulations forward and backward. Add in the sudden
retirement of the former Director. Not good, not good at all.It's
interesting to note Glenn Tucket who helped develop BYU's squeaky clen
image was brought in by Alabama when Alabamma was under NCAA investigation. The
thinking was that Glen Tucket from BYU would be the perfect hire to polish
Alabama's tainted image.If the reports are accurate, it will be a
long time before someone comes knocking on BYU's door to help avoid NCAA
After byu football went independent, half joking about the demise of the program
was fun, now it's getting too real.
I for one would prefer to see BYU shut down its football program. Not as a Ute
fan (BYU has become almost a guaranteed W and I'm reluctant to give that
up), but rather as a member of the LDS church. The football program brings out
the worst in some of the fans and is at best a distraction to the school's
and the church's mission. Consider that the Youtube video of BYU fans
dumping trash on referees garnered something like 8 million views. Is that the
kind of exposure we want for the church?
I think it would be safe to say that if whatever this situation is was happening
to Utah, all their so called "fans" would be saying the same basic
things BYU fans are saying like,"Lets wait for all the facts to come
in","Nobody yet knows what really happened","Show some
respect." etc., etc. The only reason some Utah "fans" are happy
about this is simply because its BYU. If it were almost any other school, they
would be saying the same things I mentioned above.
I LOVE the idea that the P5 will now be less interested in BYU because of this.
People, the P5 were literally built on this kind of stuff. If anything, it
probably has the Big 12 giving BYU another look.
Lifelong:Good grief. I put lol after the sock comment for a reason. I
guess I will have to put *sarcasm after every sarcastic remark I make. Obviously
it's hard to convey that on a comment board so I'm not blaming you or
calling you out, just saying maybe I need to be more clear about my sarcasm. Did
you honestly think I really believed it was just "socks" though? Again,
I think the fact BYU is on top of this and not trying to cover it up like USC
will help them, and I don't think the investigation will find that it was
huge hand outs or anything. The rent report could be something but I don't
know for how many months...one, two? Like I said, we'll see.Wildcat:I am disappointed in BYU right now, but it's ok...dont feel
sorry for me. I'm also a UGA fan that has had to put up with multiple
marajuana violations by Georgia players so I'm used to offseason drama. It
would be nice if CFB programs ran tight ships but we all know the majority of
I feel sorry for fans like cougsndawgs. BYU administrators have let their fans
down. Weber State had some players cheat on a math test. They self reported
and the players who weren't dismissed from the team missed half the season.
The NCAA has to make an example of a program every now and then to give the
illusion that they enforce their codes. They aren't going to do this with
the SEC. With BYU being independent, I would be worried about the NCAA making
them the example. It might be in their best long-term interest to set their own
tough punishment. Free rent would require harsh sanctions.I
wouldn't be writing any articles degrading MWC Commissioner Thompson
either. BYU is one MWC boycott away from total irrelevance to possible
destruction. BYU needs to get a new AD and join a conference soon. Good luck
Cougs dawgs,Ya right, only socks?Keep dreaming.Ya
that's what Hoffmans agent said. He also told Cody not to participate in
the investigation to "focus on the combine"How long would it have
take to clear up a couple socks?You are in far left field if you think
this ends with a pair if socks or two I am going to remind you your
prediction when the truth come out
Utah owns BYU at LES.Take a look at the North End Zone in the
picture. It has a U (because it is like a home game for Utah every time
they play there)
Let's see how this plays out before making silly comments. While this
situation is much more serious than Majerus buying Van Horn a hamburger after
his father died, it isn't like the violations that got SMU the death
penalty. I hope this turns out to be a minor violation but regardless, not a
good issue for the Y to have right now.
For those of you who don't know.... The NCAA requires that each school self
report a wrong doing or the penalty will be much worse when discovered... BYU
isn't just being the goodie two shoe, but self reporting is required.
Also, athletes keeping quite also bring on condemnation to the program, if they
try to side set issues during the inquiry. It's better to come clean right
up front. Because a coach holds a player out for a game doesn't make a
team self righteous. A wrong doing, is a wrong doing. Gun hoe associates of a
program need to be kept in check as well as the athletes. It's not just
wrong if you get caught, Wrong is always wrong Quit hiding things right from the
Do these alleged infractions seem more minor than a coach taking a player to
Bill and Nada's while telling the player of his father's death (as
requested by the player's mother)? Or a coach paying for cookies to the
basketball team while watching game films? Yet the U was sanctioned for a
couple of years (I believe) and lost a scholarship for a year or two (again, I
believe) However, the U had to answer to a conference, it's members, and
it's commissioner as well as the NCAA. BYU will self review, Just as it
has done in the resent past about improper "hits" in football games and
you know how that turned out.
Have any of you yokels ever heard the term "innocent until proven
guilty"? BYU is doing what it needs to do apparently, check it out and see
what has happened. I seem to recall star players being held out of games in the
past because a class was dropped. BYU tends to react much more than other
schools to show they will operate above board. Because Church leadership is on
the school board, I know the right thing will be done.BYU is known
for how clean the programs are and have been. I can only imagine that this will
be a lot of noise over nothing.
Mormon Ute:I wasn't referring specifically to you...I think you can
read the comments and know to what ute fans I was referring.My meals
comment was sarcasm...I think we will find after the investigation that there
weren't large items or amounts of money involved...sounds more like
equipment. Hoffmans agent referred to socks, lol. I don't think it will
amount to much in the end, but we will see. Btw you are usually respectfully
even in your sometimes negative but true criticisms, so don't take
everything I say toward "ute fans" to necessarily include all of you.
Brave Sir Robin, you are in violation of the Sarcasm Code of Conduct.
You're spitting out my words! LOL, good post about the SEC.
It's so good to see all the Ute partisans on here giving the same respect
to due process and avoiding speculation about the Y football program that they
demanded the U swim coach receive.Thanks for your consistency.
As a USU Aggie Fan, I hope that this is not true. I admit that I have been
critical of the Cougar Coaching staff and administration. But if this is true,
there are way too many people who uphold and believe in the Cougar football
program who would be disappointed. The team has done a lot through their pregame
firesides and other outside programs to build people up and strengthen them.
This would be a huge betrayal of those peoples beliefs and standards. What a
kick in the gut for them. Best of luck in clearing this mess up and moving on.
Gotta believe that Bronco has no knowledge of this.
Spirit, honor, tradition
Cougsndawgs,I for one am not piling on, but am simply expressing my
disappointment as a college football fan and an admirer of the great program BYU
has had.As far as meals from a booster, you've got that wrong
here. This was benefits from a staff member of BYU's football program and
the media is reporting it was a lot more than meals.
No news is good news in the off season, BYU is full of news right now.
Not getting cooperation from former players who may have received improper
benefits is not a good sign that this situation is much ado about nothing. The
investigation by school authorities is I am sure an attempt to discover the
extent of the benefits, resolve the problems, punish the offenders before the
NCAA does. I doubt that the NCAA will be satisfied with the school's
efforts and will do its own investigation. The consequences could be serious,
loss of football scholarships and banning from post season play. It will be
interesting to see this story and the NCAA's investigation unfold.
Every Pac-12 has been found guilty of recruiting violations. That includes Utah.
To say that BYU wouldn't be invited because of them is myopic because if
the Pac-12 only accepted those programs that had always been on the up and up
there would be no teams in the Pac-12. They didn't invite BYU for the same
reason Baylor never got an invite. The Pac-12 doesn't want teams with
religious affilations and I'm okay with that.Colorado got in and last time
I checked they aren't exactly the Vienna Boys Choir of college athletics.
This news is what it is. If there's guilt then a punishment
should be meted out.There is no sense worrying about something that's
already been done. You can't stop people from making bad choices and kids
make mistakes and so do adults.
Why don't some you people wait until all of the facts are in before you
rant and rave and condemn BYU for something that may or may not have happened. I
reviewed KSL online, and Hoffman's agent said he had advised Hoffman not to
return to BYU for an interview, as he needed to get ready for the NFL. that was
apparantly 2 months ago. He said Hoffman had received a couple pairs of socks
that he thought came from the training room. He said Hoffman has done nothing
wrong and he was not going to comment about other players. He says he
doesn't think these allegations amount to much and is not worried about it.
Let's wait and see. Those who make a big deal about this and it turns out
to be nothing, I hope will be so embarrassed, they will never comment on another
BYU article. I think all of us BYU fans ought to remember who these posters are
and respond to them at a later date when the investigation is done. I'm
taking a copy of all of these posts so I can refer to them later.
I'm guessing that Rick Majerus bought somebody a hamburger. It's
@HenryUsually the school is the one who does the initial
investigation and reports the findings to the NCAA (assuming, of course, that
the school is taking the "self-reporting" route, rather than getting
caught by the NCAA), and then if the NCAA deems it necessary and/or serious,
they will also investigate. At least that's how I understand it.
Agree with Che6 (don't know if you were kidding). But the Big 5 truly are
trying to get the authority to take care of players in the same way as is
alleged of BYU. While this news can't be good for the Y, it does make it
look worse on the Big 5, working to keep those benefits to themselves.
what happens if , as a part of the punishment, the NCAA says, "No televised
games for 1 year".ESPN says, "bye-bye byu"
wazzup,Are you suggesting any violations of NCAA rules are ok? I
hope not. I remember when Rick Majerus treated the Ute Basketball
team to a pizza party and if I remember correctly, the Utes lost a scholarship
or two for a while as a result. This seems a lot more serious than that.
Serious enough for a man to resign from a position he had held for nearly two
decades. It appears obvious to me that resignation was a feeble attempt to
protect himself, other staff and the program. He should know from observing the
sanctions against Reggie Bush and USC that the sanctions are inevitable, even
when the bad behavior happened in the past. This will at best make it more
difficult for BYU to run an effective football program and at worst could be the
end of football at BYU.
Boy, love the class of Utah fans piling on. Don't look now but you're
hatred of BYU over your love for your utes is showing....again. And U
aren't relevant either and never will be...why does it matter to U anyway?
Moved on huh? Riiiiggghht.This is more bad news. It's
unfortunate BYU has made so many mistakes at such critical times. Hard to blame
anyone but themselves. I hope they can navigate their way through all this. As
for the Big 12...if you think they care about a booster giving players meals and
that is going to keep them out, you're pretty naive as to what happens at
the majority of CFB programs, including Utah. If the Big 12 never invites BYU I
doubt this would be a big reason.
The Y as other programs try hard to let fans know they are not to do certain
things for the players. Then to have a staff member put a black mark on the
program is sad. Things will be okay but it will hurt for a while.
Is this how they are able to recruit and keep high level skill players? I have
always wondered 'Y' would that go go there??
LOL@Brave Sir RobinFree rent? Sheesh...I worked for the
USU athletic department for a short time as a tutor and it was DRILLED into our
heads that we were not to do anything that might even remotely be construed as
an improper benefit. Pretty much show up, do your job, and leave. Don't
even fraternize with the players outside of your job capacity. You'd think
that a guy who worked as a staffer for years would know not to give his favorite
players free rent...
Chris Bm would you actually prefer BYU to shut down their football program?
Now way this is real. like with the player in Los Vegas story this is just a set
up from a jealous rival "fan".
As a BYU fan, I must say Brave Sir Robin, I got quite the chuckle out of your
first comment. Well done good sir.
Another black eye for BYU
I would think the NCAA would be the proper body to conduct the review but its
not clear from the initial reports if they are involved. I think its really not
fair to start pointing fingers at anyone in the absence of any proof. Besides,
there's plenty of stuff to needle our friends at BYU about while we wait
for more information.
Not a big deal, it is not crippling and BYU football will prosper in the years
to come. Ute trolls making a big deal out of nothing.
wazzupReally? Because you were there to witness the event?
No conference will touch BYU now not even the MWC. The Brethren have their
weekly meeting tomorrow. I would sure like to be there. Should be very
This is fantastic news. Now that BYU has NCAA violations just like every other
school in the power 5 (including Utah) They will see us as serious contenders
who will do anything too win and invite us into their fold.
If all of this is true, didnt SMU recieve the death penalty? Maybe Lavell
Edwards Staduim should be used now for Rugby and Soccer
Well, Safe to say the power conferences, which byu so desperately
wants to join, will be even LESS interested now, if that was possible.There's not even a "chance" in the Lloyd Christmas kind of way at
this point!byu football is done!
So what you're saying is that BYU's recruiting was this bad when
players were receiving improper benefits? I shudder to think about how bad it
would have been if players hadn't been receiving improper benefits.
Look, I know BYU wants to attract the attention of the SEC, but acting like them
probably isn't the best way to do it.
Why wouldn't Hoffman participate if he had nothing to hide.Its
being reported current players were taking benefits too.I imagine
this will cripple the byu football program for many years. There apparently are
numerous violations. There will be many transfers, players kicked out, lost
scholarships, and permanent damage to whatever was left of the respect byu had.
Gone! Can't wait for the spin from Holmoe about
"don't panic we are byu"
Even as a Utah fan, I hope these allegations are not found to be true. But, I
suspect that they are.
First the SEC-ACC announcement and now this! When it rains it pours huh? At this
rate the church may just find it easier to shut down football altogether.
It will boil down to a single member of the staff, who recently retired, and
meals and other stuff that he gave players on his own. Like always, the local
media loves this stuff. Fortunately the speculation will be worse than the