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Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 4:02 p.m. MDT

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Brio
Alpine, UT

@ Two For Flinching:

Your comment comparing Utah's and BYU's research is so ridiculously biased and out of context that it literally made me laugh and roll my eyes at the same time.

Google "Cancer research at BYU" and you will find a lot of impressive material. Here is a quote I found in less than a minute:

The Cancer Research Center at BYU is an organization composed of distinguished professors in the fields of Chemical Engineering; Chemistry and Biochemistry; Health Sciences; Integrative Biology; Microbiology and Molecular Biology; Nutrition, Dietetics and Food Science; Physiology and Developmental Biology; and Statistics.
These professors are some of the best noted and productive researchers in their respective departments. Every year the CRC funds numerous cancer research fellowships, allowing students a chance to work with these prestigious researchers to study this disease. These professors and students are driven to make a significant contribution to the discovery of a cure for cancer.

You obviously know so little about actual research going on at BYU that it is both laughable and sad. You've lost all comment credibility because of your bias in not being able to make any legitimate comparisons.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Copacetic

You asked for "....one verifiable quote from an authorized PAC12 representative to support your statement."

I gave you one from an active Mormon, who graduated from BYU and was president of Cal (kind of punches a hole in the bigotry argument), and from the official PAC-12 release when Utah and CU got invited. BOTH explicitly mentioned academics and research as a factor in the invitation process.

I think the PAC came out and said exactly why they invited Utah. "Colorado and Utah fit perfectly into this tradition, bringing nationally recognized research programs and a record of athletic excellence that includes 42 NCAA titles." If you want to reject that and play the victim so be it; but your stance is at odds with the facts.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

mcdugall:

There are no reports that the Y turned down an invitation to the Big 12. In order to do so, the Big 12 would have had to have invited them first, and there was no invitation. There was for TCU and WVU, but not for the no-BCS-bowl-busting cougs. They were too midmajorey.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Brio

I lose credibility? Because you copied and pasted a paragraph from BYU's CRC page. I wonder why you left this out? "The vision can only be effectively engendered in students by involving them directly in cancer research, which is the primary goal of the BYUCRC. Over 100 undergraduate and graduate students annually pursue various aspects of cancer research with members of the BYUCRC"

Again, compare that to the Huntsman Cancer Institute which is designated by the National Cancer Institute, it is n't even close.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Copacetic,

"To boot, one of your main quotes was from a guy who was the president of the Utes at the time they were getting their invite."

That would be Michael Young now the current President at Washington. I did not see a quote used by Michael Young as you asserted.

81Ute
Central, UT

This article and the premise that it puts forward are exactly why I am not a BYU fan. In my experience, there has always been this attitude of superiority from the fan base. Even as a child I was repulsed by it and hence my moniker. Goodluck with your endeavors. Maybe you can consult with the gay rights movement on how to force your way into where you are not wanted.

Objectified
Richfield, UT

@ MyPerspective:

Your biased based judgments should've never been printed. They are accusatory, off-topic and disruptive. You make very negative accusations against BYU fans and once again offer absolutely no proof or verifiable backing.

The context of your comments indicates it would be nearly impossible for a BYU fan to have a decent, objective discussion with you. Two For Flinching seems quite similar.

The answers you requested:
1) Sometimes. The ESPN affiliation and national tv exposure. The freedom to try to schedule whom you want is a double-edged sword. Not always easy to do because of some schools exclusive and elitist attitude... similar to yours.

2) No it hasn't, not yet. But was the best alternative available at the time. It still might be... depending on whether the elitist attitude of some of the "big-boys" prevails and they get their way.

3) I credit Tom Holmoe for taking the best option available at the time. This next season might open your eyes more.

Your turn:
1. Why do you and other ultra-Ute fans comment more on BYU articles than BYU fans do?
2. What's with your anti-BYU obsession and rhetoric?

A1994
Centerville, UT

@NightOwlAmerica

Because football is all that matters and football is the subject at hand.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Concinnity

Let me correct a few things. (1)It's been two years not three without a bowl game. Although I would rather the road be tougher than go bowling in the MWC or with BYU's schedule. And yes, BYU's schedule is not a challenging one. (2)Saying BYU had a tougher schedule than Utah last year is silly. Just because BYU played Texas, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame doesn't make the rest of the schedule null and void. And the rest of the schedule the last three years running (to use the vernacular here) has been awful.

Utah went BCS bowling twice in the MWC, but I still pointed out that although they beat BCS teams, they still played a MWC schedule. Utah beat 4 BCS teams in 2004 (Fiesta Bowl year), Texas A&M, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pitt (decent wins). The rest of the schedule was weak (TCU joined the conference the next year). (3)If you are lumping me into a category that claims BYU not worthy for P5 inclusion then you are off base. Yes BYU belongs. Feel better?. That doesn't mean I won't call out other spades that may not sit well with you.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Y Dad/Y Grad

Yes I think you are probably right. Win those extra few games (some more winnable than others) and your Cougars won't be left out. This year should be the year to do it. A talented and more mature Tayson Hill and BYU's soft schedule leaves no room for excuses at not going unbeaten.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

I won't deny religious bigotry sometimes effects BYU. It seems likely that some branches of the PAC 12 might be entrenched with prejudice towards BYU. But Sunday play is a huge issue. Be that as it is, it just is what it is as well. And it won't change rather some PAC 12 authorities want or don't want BYU in the conference. I say that because I think there are more important individuals and entities within the PAC 12 that would like to have BYU a member despite many BYU thinking the PAC 12 is out to get them all the time. Sure the education structure at BYU is way different than on the left coast, but Sunday play is the real factor in my mind. And that won't change for BYU or the PAC 12.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@SoonerUte\\Nice try.

but basketball does not count. This P5 stuff really only applies to football. This is about the college football playoffs and access to bowls games. While they do play together in other sports those other sports are irrelevant to the conversation,

This whole situation is about football and football only.

We are talking strictly about football.

So according to your research BYU does belong when it comes to football.

And that what truly matters.

The utes desire to exclude BUY seems to be about hate, and probably bigotry, and not about worthiness

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Objectified
Richfield, UT

My comments are accusatory? byu fans, are all over this thread blaming everyone but themselves for their situation and my comments are accusatory?

Let's look, shall we...

You stated:
"1) Sometimes...Not always easy to do because of some schools exclusive and elitist attitude... similar to yours."

Descent? Objective? Verifiable backing?

"2) No it hasn't, not yet...It still might be... depending on whether the elitist attitude of some of the "big-boys" prevails and they get their way."

Descent? Objective? Verifiable backing?

"3) I credit Tom Holmoe for taking the best option available at the time. This next season might open your eyes more."

You credit Holmoe for all the games byu will win this year? Fair enough. Holmoe is responsible for the schedule. You realize, right, that the schedule is what the SEC and ACC pointed to when they declared byu a mid-major. Not the ACC/SEC fault.

Now my turn...

1. byu fans are calling others bigots, assert discrimination, etc. This isn't the fault of Utah, Pac-12, the SEC, or ACC. I'm here to make sure you understand that. Man up and accept responsibility.

2. See #1 above.

RickH
Blaine, WA

When Utah overwhelmingly supports the USA corporate goals of : Greed, Corruption, and Social Indifference, how can you argue that a sports team should be granted an exemption from the "game"?

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

First, I want to know what ute fans are afraid of? Their level of insecurity may never be healed. It seems their very happiness hinges on berating BYU.

Seconds to deny that BYU doesn't belong is to ignore the blatant bigotry of the PAC 12, California and Standford specifically. But sad enough Utah is in the same company. We' are witnessing one of the greatest athletic discrimination acts in the history of the NCAA. For anyone to deny it and just say BYU is not good enough is gross incompetence or intelligence or truly bigotry.

The tradition of BYU is by far a national standard of excellence, the fan base is by far large enough to be considered elite and the championships, awards, trophies, records embarrass most other programs in America save only a few.

Believe in yourself cougarnation, don't listen to others filled with envy.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

"First, I want to know what ute fans are afraid of? Their level of insecurity may never be healed. It seems their very happiness hinges on berating BYU."

Nope. This doesn't have anything to do with Utah fans.

"Seconds to deny that BYU doesn't belong is to ignore the blatant bigotry of the PAC 12, California and Standford specifically."

Nope. The Pac-12 established clear criteria upon which the invitation was extended to Utah and Colorado. byu doesn't meet those standards. Whose fault is that?

"we' are witnessing one of the greatest athletic discrimination acts in the history of the NCAA. For anyone to deny it and just say BYU is not good enough is gross incompetence or intelligence or truly bigotry."

Nope. This is a bit over the top, don't you think?

"The tradition of BYU is by far a national standard of excellence, the fan base is by far large enough to be considered elite and the championships, awards, trophies, records embarrass most other programs in America save only a few."

Absent from your list...whinny fans who call people names when they don't get what they want.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

No power conference is going to accept a new team that tells them what days they will and won't plat on. Until BYU changes this stance they will be on the outside looking in or at the little boy table.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

This was a brilliantly written piece. I remember as a young man when BYU and the LDS church were attacked for not allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood and Stanford quit scheduling them.BYU faces discrimination because it is the flagship institution of the church.We have sank to a new low in civility with so much political correctness,Hollywood supporting immorality and weak politicians being run over by strident partisans. It is time to get a megaphone and make some rukus.

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

Very strong article. I mean, you simply can't overlook facts, and the article is absolutely crammed with them, especially when they are seen within the context (as the article points out) that the facts are based on more than just BYU's success in football.

(Now, lest any Utah fan give BYU a hard time about our football program, they might just want to look at their own losing record for the last 3 years first.)

So, like I said...you can't argue against facts.

(Not that that will stop many Utah fans from trying....)

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

The BU article had a survey from (pre-election) 2012 in which 81% of the respondents said that Mitt Romney's religion caused them little or no concern.

Interesting.

Because on election day, November 2012, it sure didn't turn out that way. Exit polls showed time after time that "Christians" were missing from the polls in rather large numbers.

Just sayin'...

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