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Published: Thursday, May 22 2014 3:15 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

This is really getting sad, and funny for me to watch.

The whole reason we haven't invited byu to our conference and the whole reason no other big boy conference sees byu as anything as a mid-major is because of the collective byu attitude that they are bigger/better than they are.

As far as lawsuits?


Byu doesn't have legal authority to demand we include them in the power 5 any more than San Diego state has legal authority to demand access to the Pac 12 championship

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

And I thought the previous articles showed the byu meltdown!

This is just downright comical.

All mid-majors are essentially division II at this point, with virtually no reason to believe they will ever be anything other than that.

Our conference(the pac 12) sent out a letter to all other big boy universities outlining our plan to further separate ourselves from the mid-majors.

And its going to happen.

We(the power 5) are leaving mid-majors behind and establishing a new division I essentially.

Wyoming, Utah state, byu, and all other mid-majors can form their own playoffs or whatever, we don't care.

But you are OUT!

And for good reason


Bigotry is alive and well and comes in many forms. Just ask those who are Utah fans because they hate BYU! (Might be interesting to note I attended Utah and loved my time there, still a fan)

Area 52
Tooele, UT

Chris B.

Your comments are pretty comical LOL This article states the reasons why BYU deserves to be in with the rest of the Big Boys and the article has some really good evidence. Why don’t you provide the evidence against letting BYU in and not a personal bias as your reasons?

Salt Lake City, UT

Chris B.

Please do us all a favor. Please provide us with the empirical evidence that justified Utah's inclusion in AND BYU's exclusion from a P5 conference based on "on the field" performance.

Please remember, being the anti-BYU doesn't count as evidence.

Jace J
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe it's time to get into a conference.

International Cougar Fan
Tacoma, WA

The best thing that BYU can do is win games on the schedule and subsequent bowl games. That is what they can control. Don't worry about what you can not control. Too bad utah can no longer win enough games to go to a bowl game.

Salt Lake City, UT

Salt Lake City, UT

"Please do us all a favor. Please provide us with the empirical evidence that justified Utah's inclusion in AND BYU's exclusion from a P5 conference based on "on the field" performance."

You are cherry picking your own criteria. byu's strategy for the last 50 years...sports. Nobody said byu lacks 'athletic prowess,' a criterion of the Pac-10. The problem is, byu brings nothing but a baseball field, a big stadium that isn't full, and a basketball arena that isn't full to the table. That's it. And that simply is not good enough for the Pac-12...a conference that is about much more than sports.

Provo, Utah

I agree with this article. There is a fine line between being the conservative, humble university which displays characteristics of being "slow to anger" and being push-overs. It's not difficult to see that BYU is hated in many ways, and the exclusion from Power 5 is blatant evidence. It is illogical. It may have nothing to do with religion at all, but any university athletic program with a similar resume being excluded from the top-tier would result in outrage from its fans and supporters. I know we are the "good mormon boys" but I agree that it is time that we make our voice heard.

Germany, 00

Seems pretty obvious BYU belongs. If they were not passed over by the Pac12 for social reasons, then what are the reasons? Seems to be the only reason that makes sense.


@ International Cougar Fan

Too bad byu can't beat Utah.

Does byu deserve to be in the top 65? Of course it does. byu needs to get into one of the big 5 conferences and to do that they'll have to agree to the terms and conditions of the conference to which they belong or continue as an independent and do they best they can. Can't have it both ways.

Cinci Man

This article and most posters may have missed the primary argument that keeps BYU from top tier consideration. Pure and simple, it is the policy of practicing our religion by allowing all those involved in sports to keep the sabbath day holy according to the dictates of their own consciences. It's money. It's special consideration. It's "we are the only ones preserving religious freedom for our sporting participants". It's a problem that won't go away I commend the brethren who do not cave in. Sports are not as important as the principles of the gospel. It would be inconceivable that the church would remove religious freedom to preserve football. That makes no sense.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

I agree BYU deserves to be included with the best programs in college sports, but I believe there are multiple reasons they are being increasingly pushed aside and some are of BYU's own making. The unwillingness to compromise on broadcast rights is one of the major ones. Just as the Utes have had to accept a smaller conference payout in the early going of their Pac 12 membership, BYU must accept less control over it's broadcast rights to get into a conference. Another reason is the power conferences and schools are stressing the importance of membership. Notre Dame has even gotten the message and joined the ACC in all sports with an agreement to play 5 football games a year. BYU's administration seems reluctant to accept this and may have waited too long. No matter how loud BYU cries, they will have to compromise of some issues. Certainly not on anything principle based or religious, but when it comes to controlling broadcast rights and money BYU cannot continue to act like they belong near the top of the Power 5 conferences. They need to accept their position near the bottom and then work their way up from within.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

It'll be a very slow road though. When did Lavell testify before Congress about the BCS and when did the BCS actually change? The haves continue to dictate the future of college football and the have-nots will just have to take the punches. I wouldn't be too surprised to see BYU pull out of football sponsorship altogether; they could then sue the NCAA for lost millions in revenue...


The big picture is about discrimination of other college programs in the NCAA. What right does certain conferences have to create a monopoly of college football for the intent to control the direction of money channeled in the college football industry? There are laws in our country that prohibit this type of action. How would you like just one company controlling all cell phone service? We would be freaking out. Our laws prohibit this from happening because it has happened at the turn of the 20th century. Unfortunately, the NCAA and our legal system is for some reason turning a blind eye to what is happening right before our eyes. There must be a lot of money being passed under the table on this one! I smell major corruption! There are many other college football programs that should have the same opportunities as the so called elite--by the way--whoever or what stuck up person decided to call themselves elite? The NCAA and the feds need to put the clamps on groups, individuals or conferences combining their efforts to discriminate, control the money and hold themselves above of other schools programs.

Beaver, UT

Chris B,

Your constant condescending references to "Us" and "Our conference" are well beyond Amusing and almost to Pathetic. When Utah demonstrates the ability to be much more than a doormat in the Pac-12 you can demonstrate a little ownership. Until then, humility and gratitude might be more appropriate.


I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. I may not either, since I won't waste the time to research the details (I'm sure someone here can supply the stats), but you cite an unfilled stadium and basketball arena as "disqualifications" for BYU. If my memory is accurate, I think BYU Basketball has one of the largest home attendance records in the country over the last few years, and I'm very confident that BYU Football is WELL ABOVE the average attendance of the "Big 5" conference teams. Even if the stadium isn't maxed out, I'd rather have game attendance of 62,000 in a 64,000 seat stadium than fill every spot in a 45,000 seat venue. Just saying....

Salt Lake City, UT

I don't understand any of this. I don't understand why the Utah media is compelled to continue stoking the fire; I don't understand why byu fans feel entitled to a handout; and I especially don't understand what scheduling has to do with exposure.

Independence was sold to byu fans first and foremost as the best way to get exposure. A goal that would be achieved through a newly forged partnership with ESPN. Well, byu has that. The notion of being able to play any team anywhere in the country was embarrassingly oversold but with the good graces of ESPN, the rest of the goal is in tact.

So go do it. Holmoe had no business kicking the 'we're byu and you have to give us an exception' hornets nest. In fact, it's beginning to look like exposure was never truly the goal to begin with. Holmoe doesn't know what he wants and is presently leading byu athletics down the same path he lead Cal football which, by the way, is still in recovery mode.

Bountiful, UT

P5 TV contracts include the provision for possible football games on Sunday. The likelihood of that happening is pretty remote, but Utah nearly had a Sunday game scheduled vs USC in Los Angeles in their first year in the PAC when it looked like the NFL would be on strike.

The P5 and their TV partners want that flexibility, even if it's not often used.

When the Big-12 needed to quickly stabilize after seeing the defections of Missouri and Texas A&M to the SEC, Sunday play obviously was not on the table with BYU, and the Big-12 wanted a full member in all sports, so they quickly invited TCU.

If BYU is excluded from the P5 level of football, BYU fans should own it, should accept the fact the big conferences are reluctant to renegotiate their TV contracts for BYU. Keeping the Sabbath Holy should placate and anger among BYU fans.

Murray, UT

If reports are accurate, BYU turned down an invitation to the Big12. You're argument at this point is nearly moot.

Riverton, UT

This article give ample evidence that based on athletic Merit BYU belongs. The discrimination has several motives. Two of them are:

1. Money and greed.

2. Ego and fear. Including BYU is admitting that one more school belongs in your group of supposedly ultra elite and vastly superior athletic programs. It is easier to push BYU down than to face the fear of losing to them. I don't believe the top half of the 'Power 5' conferences are afraid to lose to BYU but Pitt, Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, Wake Forest, etc.. are afraid to lose to BYU.

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