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Published: Wednesday, May 21 2014 10:14 p.m. MDT

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wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is very simple and very cheap.

Congress should institute a bill mandating prison time without parole for the employers of illegal workers. That would virtually end the problem of illegal immigration. That would also put at least 8 million American workers back on jobs and paying taxes instead of needing to collect unemployment and welfare.

Actually, it would not just be cheap. America would come out hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars ahead. Just think, 8 million families off of welfare and back to paying taxes like they used to do when America was enforcing it's laws.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Finding common ground is easy. There is plenty of it.

But, we want it all. If we don't get everything we want, we wont even take the common ground issues.
We want to use the common ground, common sense pieces as bargaining chips in an effort to pass our controversial parts.

Welcome to partisanship in the 21st century.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Not when you're dealing with "All-or-Nothing" Tea-Publicans.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

But what happens when one side prefers obstructionism to finding a common ground?

Listen, the solution is so simple!

Job creators? You hire illegally: you lose your business license and are sent to prison for a min of 5 years. Suddenly, we would find job creators employing legally.

Instead, we see these altruistic beings continually thumb their noses at us and trampling all over our laws. And they've bought off the GOP. The GOP's plan does nothing to discourage illegal immigration. Deport them today and they'll be back tomorrow!

Put the pressure on the job creators. They're the real criminals that no one seems to talk about. We wouldn't have a problem with illegal immigration if job creators just stopped hiring illegally.

Esquire
Springville, UT

There is no middle ground. Those on the right want to build a wall that is leak proof, but that is impossible. They will get all weepy about the free market system, and then express outrage when it works, which is what has happened with immigration. The ongoing wave of immigration speaks to a number of issues. Economic conditions in third world nations, unfilled jobs in the US (and other Western countries - we aren't alone in this), and other market forces are the cause. In a way, we should be grateful that there are so many hard working people coming here who want to work and perform work that Americans don't want to do. In the end, only controlled open borders will work. Make it easy for people to enter, register and find work. We can make it reciprocal with the other nations. But reality tells us that walls, tougher enforcement, deportations and so forth do not work. People are willing to die to come here. Face the facts.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

We already have a "common ground". The "common ground" is the laws set for immigration into America. No one is allowed to come until invited. That's the common ground. The uncommon ground is for anyone to thumb his nose at those laws. Those who came here illegally knew they were entering illegally, otherwise, they would have entered, when invited, with all the necessary papers. They chose to sneak across. They knew what they were doing was illegal.

Send them home at their expense. If they complain that their families would be broken up, then let the entire family leave as a unit. Crime is crime. Mercy cannot rob justice until someone has paid the price. Those calling for immigration reform are demanding that our laws NOT be observed and that those who broke the law be rewarded for their crime.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

You are talking common sense, Richard, and this demonstrates why the 'comprehensive reform' passed by the senate should not and probably will not be passed. The problem areas should be attacked one at a time and the one you have described, with temporary workers, is an important one. By expanding the temporary visa program anyone working under that category can do so legally and it brings accountability into the system rather than allowing the illegals to operate under the radar undetected.

The next step would be to have strict enforcement on those employers that do not hire their employees legally.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Commmon ground?

We can't get the Utah State Republicans who are Mormons to follow the LDS Church's endorsement of the Utah compact!

Demiurge
San Diego, CA

Common ground? Immigration reform is a thinly veiled attempt to once again decimate the labor laws in this country by allowing a flood of cheap labor to occupy jobs, either in the trades by Mexicans, or in the professions by Indians. There is no other reason for the push, and exactly why I as a liberal am pushing back. US companies love a supply of cheap exploitable labor, and they seem to find media people either willingly or ignorantly supporting that desire.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

wigglwagon:

I am probably correct in assuming that neither you nor your kids would take one of those agricultural jobs that has been filled by illegal immigrants. I wouldn't either. And so it goes. We have an entire industry that feeds America and many beyond its borders, but it can't get American workers to take the jobs that make producing food possible.

When conservatives start dealing with reality and stop living in Talk Radio Land, maybe we can find some common ground. But not while they refuse to open their eyes and see the world around them.

Ford DeTreese
Provo, UT

Almost fifty years ago, when I was a youth, I earned summer money by picking cherries for my grandfather, who owned a couple of small orchards. By the time I had gone off to college and my dad was running the orchard, he couldn't get local kids to pick the cherries. The only way the fruit got picked was by hiring the "Mexicans," what they called illegal immigrants back in the 1980s. That was more than 30 years ago. Nothing has changed in that time, except that our reliance on illegal farm help has increased.

So, come on, conservatives. Let's hear your solution to this real-world dilemma. What's your ideologically pure answer to this problem? Put all the fruit farmers in jail? Let the fruit rot on the ground? Allow the farmers to just go broke? Please, speak up.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

This is one issue where I don't understand fellow conservatives who refuse to give an inch. This issue is minor compared to what the Founders had to deal with. Yet they were able to find common ground on huge issues. If they had been self righteous and intransigent, even when they had the correct position on a huge issue like slavery, our nation may well have been short-lived. Instead they humbled themselves -- and were divinely guided IMO.

I believe the objective should be a path to legal status, not citizenship. That will take the wind out of the sails of the Ann Coulters who claim the sky would fall if any kind of reform passes.

". . . start dealing with reality and stop living in Talk Radio Land." Well said.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

"ford...." By filling out the proper paperwork - farmers can get all the agricultural workers they need.
Most of them don't bother to do that. WHY should they? Immigration laws are seldom enforced anyway.

Ford DeTreese
Provo, UT

"By filling out the proper paperwork - farmers can get all the agricultural workers they need."

Oh please. This is the best you can come up with. Tell this to the farmers who can't find workers except the illegal variety.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Oh please. Even the LA TIMES admits Obamas deportation numbers are fixed. He has been counting returns at the border as being deported, unlike all the Presidents before him who counted them separate.

You want to solve the immigration problem, then we need to start with a fair and balanced media that is not campaigning for cheap illegal labor for it's advertisers.

Then enforce the law, and make sure no one else dies in the desert or separates their family because of greed encouraged by some of our leaders, the business community, local church leaders and the media.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

We're talking finding "common ground" with the same - my way, or the highway - folks who shut-down the entire Federal Government over ONE issue when they didn't get their way?

Let's just say the lack of finding "common ground" or the lack of compromising isn't coming from the Left...

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Esquire

"...only controlled open borders will work." However, without the border being secured, by a fence and manpower, you can't have "controlled" borders. Otherwise you end up with what we have now, namely, legal and illegal immigration.

LDS Liberal

Your correct to a point. "....the lack of compromising isn't coming from the Left...

It's coming from both the Left and the Right. Obama and (especially) Reid are as stubborn to work with as any of the Republicans might be.

RRB
SLC, UT

Using illegal help and by passing US labor laws is not free market. By upsetting the laws of supply and demand, business has fixed the market to cause low wages and high unemployment. This would be the same as employees and customers being able to pay what they want for a business goods, without prosecution.

Vernon Briggs, a Cornell University labor economics professor stated:
"The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers."

Agriculture is a red herring, as only 3% of those here illegally work in it.

Shame on those that encourage people to lie, steal and covet to supply business with cheap labor.

Things should stay the same until we get leaders who are honest. Then we can deal with those here illegally by requiring them to return home and come back legally. Fix the problem, don't kick the can down the road.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Maverick

What is your plan for the 12 million already here?

They all lose their jobs and what?

If you really think 12 million would suddenly march home - oh boy you clearly don't understand how this works do you?

RRB
SLC, UT

Ford DeTreese

The H-2a agriculture visa is unlimited, you fill out one form for all the workers you need. I picked cherries in Utah county, the farmer I worked for had no problem getting the youth in the area to work. They also hired a Navajo family that worked there for years.

Now, most people here illegally have moved from the farms to the city. They have found easier work for better pay in construction, service and hospitality industries. Look at what happened after the amnesty of 1986, most farm workers, once they had citizenship left. It's a fact, look it up.

Amnesty has been our policy for 25 years, it's failed in every respect. It's time for enforcement. It's time to get tough on employers, force them to pay the cost of deportation. That's my opinion.

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