Published: Wednesday, May 21 2014 10:14 p.m. MDT
The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is very simple and very
cheap.Congress should institute a bill mandating prison time without
parole for the employers of illegal workers. That would virtually end the
problem of illegal immigration. That would also put at least 8 million American
workers back on jobs and paying taxes instead of needing to collect unemployment
and welfare.Actually, it would not just be cheap. America would come
out hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars ahead. Just think, 8 million families off of
welfare and back to paying taxes like they used to do when America was enforcing
Finding common ground is easy. There is plenty of it.But, we want
it all. If we don't get everything we want, we wont even take the common
ground issues.We want to use the common ground, common sense pieces as
bargaining chips in an effort to pass our controversial parts.Welcome to partisanship in the 21st century.
Not when you're dealing with "All-or-Nothing" Tea-Publicans.
But what happens when one side prefers obstructionism to finding a common
ground?Listen, the solution is so simple!Job creators?
You hire illegally: you lose your business license and are sent to prison for a
min of 5 years. Suddenly, we would find job creators employing legally.Instead, we see these altruistic beings continually thumb their noses at us
and trampling all over our laws. And they've bought off the GOP. The
GOP's plan does nothing to discourage illegal immigration. Deport them
today and they'll be back tomorrow!Put the pressure on the job
creators. They're the real criminals that no one seems to talk about. We
wouldn't have a problem with illegal immigration if job creators just
stopped hiring illegally.
There is no middle ground. Those on the right want to build a wall that is leak
proof, but that is impossible. They will get all weepy about the free market
system, and then express outrage when it works, which is what has happened with
immigration. The ongoing wave of immigration speaks to a number of issues.
Economic conditions in third world nations, unfilled jobs in the US (and other
Western countries - we aren't alone in this), and other market forces are
the cause. In a way, we should be grateful that there are so many hard working
people coming here who want to work and perform work that Americans don't
want to do. In the end, only controlled open borders will work. Make it easy
for people to enter, register and find work. We can make it reciprocal with the
other nations. But reality tells us that walls, tougher enforcement,
deportations and so forth do not work. People are willing to die to come here.
Face the facts.
We already have a "common ground". The "common ground" is the
laws set for immigration into America. No one is allowed to come until invited.
That's the common ground. The uncommon ground is for anyone to thumb his
nose at those laws. Those who came here illegally knew they were entering
illegally, otherwise, they would have entered, when invited, with all the
necessary papers. They chose to sneak across. They knew what they were doing
was illegal.Send them home at their expense. If they complain that
their families would be broken up, then let the entire family leave as a unit.
Crime is crime. Mercy cannot rob justice until someone has paid the price.
Those calling for immigration reform are demanding that our laws NOT be observed
and that those who broke the law be rewarded for their crime.
You are talking common sense, Richard, and this demonstrates why the
'comprehensive reform' passed by the senate should not and probably
will not be passed. The problem areas should be attacked one at a time and the
one you have described, with temporary workers, is an important one. By
expanding the temporary visa program anyone working under that category can do
so legally and it brings accountability into the system rather than allowing the
illegals to operate under the radar undetected.The next step would
be to have strict enforcement on those employers that do not hire their
Commmon ground?We can't get the Utah State Republicans who are
Mormons to follow the LDS Church's endorsement of the Utah compact!
Common ground? Immigration reform is a thinly veiled attempt to once again
decimate the labor laws in this country by allowing a flood of cheap labor to
occupy jobs, either in the trades by Mexicans, or in the professions by Indians.
There is no other reason for the push, and exactly why I as a liberal am pushing
back. US companies love a supply of cheap exploitable labor, and they seem to
find media people either willingly or ignorantly supporting that desire.
wigglwagon:I am probably correct in assuming that neither you nor
your kids would take one of those agricultural jobs that has been filled by
illegal immigrants. I wouldn't either. And so it goes. We have an entire
industry that feeds America and many beyond its borders, but it can't get
American workers to take the jobs that make producing food possible. When conservatives start dealing with reality and stop living in Talk Radio
Land, maybe we can find some common ground. But not while they refuse to open
their eyes and see the world around them.
Almost fifty years ago, when I was a youth, I earned summer money by picking
cherries for my grandfather, who owned a couple of small orchards. By the time I
had gone off to college and my dad was running the orchard, he couldn't get
local kids to pick the cherries. The only way the fruit got picked was by hiring
the "Mexicans," what they called illegal immigrants back in the 1980s.
That was more than 30 years ago. Nothing has changed in that time, except that
our reliance on illegal farm help has increased. So, come on,
conservatives. Let's hear your solution to this real-world dilemma.
What's your ideologically pure answer to this problem? Put all the fruit
farmers in jail? Let the fruit rot on the ground? Allow the farmers to just go
broke? Please, speak up.
This is one issue where I don't understand fellow conservatives who refuse
to give an inch. This issue is minor compared to what the Founders had to deal
with. Yet they were able to find common ground on huge issues. If they had been
self righteous and intransigent, even when they had the correct position on a
huge issue like slavery, our nation may well have been short-lived. Instead
they humbled themselves -- and were divinely guided IMO.I believe
the objective should be a path to legal status, not citizenship. That will take
the wind out of the sails of the Ann Coulters who claim the sky would fall if
any kind of reform passes.". . . start dealing with reality and
stop living in Talk Radio Land." Well said.
"ford...." By filling out the proper paperwork - farmers can get all
the agricultural workers they need.Most of them don't bother to do
that. WHY should they? Immigration laws are seldom enforced anyway.
"By filling out the proper paperwork - farmers can get all the agricultural
workers they need."Oh please. This is the best you can come up
with. Tell this to the farmers who can't find workers except the illegal
Oh please. Even the LA TIMES admits Obamas deportation numbers are fixed. He has
been counting returns at the border as being deported, unlike all the Presidents
before him who counted them separate. You want to solve the
immigration problem, then we need to start with a fair and balanced media that
is not campaigning for cheap illegal labor for it's advertisers. Then enforce the law, and make sure no one else dies in the desert or
separates their family because of greed encouraged by some of our leaders, the
business community, local church leaders and the media.
We're talking finding "common ground" with the same - my way, or
the highway - folks who shut-down the entire Federal Government over ONE issue
when they didn't get their way?Let's just say the lack of
finding "common ground" or the lack of compromising isn't coming
from the Left...
Esquire"...only controlled open borders will work."
However, without the border being secured, by a fence and manpower, you
can't have "controlled" borders. Otherwise you end up with what we
have now, namely, legal and illegal immigration.LDS LiberalYour correct to a point. "....the lack of compromising isn't coming
from the Left... It's coming from both the Left and the Right.
Obama and (especially) Reid are as stubborn to work with as any of the
Republicans might be.
Using illegal help and by passing US labor laws is not free market. By upsetting
the laws of supply and demand, business has fixed the market to cause low wages
and high unemployment. This would be the same as employees and customers being
able to pay what they want for a business goods, without prosecution. Vernon Briggs, a Cornell University labor economics professor stated: "The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it
rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by
the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go
up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers."
Agriculture is a red herring, as only 3% of those here illegally
work in it. Shame on those that encourage people to lie, steal and
covet to supply business with cheap labor. Things should stay the
same until we get leaders who are honest. Then we can deal with those here
illegally by requiring them to return home and come back legally. Fix the
problem, don't kick the can down the road.
MaverickWhat is your plan for the 12 million already here? They all lose their jobs and what? If you really think 12 million
would suddenly march home - oh boy you clearly don't understand how this
works do you?
Ford DeTreeseThe H-2a agriculture visa is unlimited, you fill out
one form for all the workers you need. I picked cherries in Utah county, the
farmer I worked for had no problem getting the youth in the area to work. They
also hired a Navajo family that worked there for years.Now, most
people here illegally have moved from the farms to the city. They have found
easier work for better pay in construction, service and hospitality industries.
Look at what happened after the amnesty of 1986, most farm workers, once they
had citizenship left. It's a fact, look it up. Amnesty has been
our policy for 25 years, it's failed in every respect. It's time for
enforcement. It's time to get tough on employers, force them to pay the
cost of deportation. That's my opinion.
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