Captain L:Kanter can't shoot the three, and suggesting that he
do so would not be a good plan. Hayward is a poor man's AK. Let's
hope the Jazz don't give him a max contract like AK because they are
basically the same player but AK is probably better. Hayward is no better than
a supporting piece not a center piece. Trey Burke is closest thing the Jazz
have to a center piece.
Some of these comments are interesting, Love is not a center and getting him
would not allow Favors to go back to play the 4, Favors is much more of a center
than Love. Hayward is a major part of the rebuilding process and does many very
good things to make his teammates better, he shouldn't be moved, unless you
could get Parker or Wiggins for him and a pick. These next 5 weeks will be
interesting, I think if the new coach is a young up to date thinker, the Jazz
staff will be encouraging Kanter to prove he can shoot the 3 (become like Okur),
that would make it easier for Favors and Kanter to compliment each other better.
The Okur, Boozer, Milsap years showed we weren't big enough/long enough and
Favors/Kanter gives us better size. I hope they develop so they can stay
@Doug 10 - A coaching decision may be coming up sooner rather than later. At
least one former NBA head coach has interviewed with Lindsay. That's one
more than I thought would show interest.
I wish the Jazz had fell further. This draft is not near as good as the hype.
Imbid is already talking going to LA and getting picked first. Jazz will trade
up or down, don't believe they will stay at 5. I say call Houston and trade
for Azik, Parsons, Lin and Montenas.
There must be a stats guy out there somewhere who could analyze the data and
give us a definitive answer about just how valuable the first pick in a draft is
compared to the second, third, fourth or fifth pick. The analysis should
include the price tag of a first pick compared to the others.
What year did the Jazz improve their draft order through the NBA Draft Lottery?
In the 2005 NBA Draft Lottery they had the 4th worst record and fell to 6th
after Milwaukee and Portland jumped over them. They then traded with Portland to
move up to the 3rd pick where they drafted Deron Williams. That was the only
other year that I can remember where we had a decent chance of winning the
Fire Corbin. That is the main objective. And don't worry about the draft
order. No.5 and 2 more picks in a deep draft is a good starting point in a
@ SlopJ30:Relax. People are mostly just joking about the fix being
in. Of course there is no proof. If a team had enough money to buy a fix,
they'd certainly also have enough to cover their tracks. BTW... it
certainly wouldn't take a marquee name to offer big money to the right NBA
people. Not that that's what happened. Just sayin.You're
asking for proof that there was a fix. What proof have you got that there
wasn't one? Moving from 9th to 1st with a 1.7% probability certainly
creates a bit of suspicion for some people. If they want to think out loud
without proof, that's their right. Relax a bit and enjoy the banter.
Once again, my decision to become an NHL fan after the 1997 - 98 NBA Finals has
Ripped of with a number 5 pick?? That was the pick the jazz had the highest odds
of getting... and they got it. Previous number 5 picks: Dwayne Wade,
Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Scottie Pippen, Previous
number 1 picks: Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani, Kwame Brown, Kenyon
Martin...You just never know if a number 1 pick is better then a
number 30 pick. It is all... a lottery. So no, they didn't get ripped off.
They did get ripped off when they drafted Raul Lopez in 2001 over Tony Parker,
who was drafted a few spots after that. So yeah, that panned out for the Jazz.
Most of the previous lottery talk has centered around 4 main potential superstar
players. As such, the Jazz were destined for the #5 pick. Bad karma. It seems
kinda crazy that we literally had a 10 times better chance of getting the #1
pick than Cleveland had and yet this still happened. A person can't help
but wonder just a little bit if there wasn't some sort of fix going on...
especially after Cleveland lands the top pick 3 of the past 4 seasons. Crazy!I wonder how much we could move up by combining and trading our two 1st
round picks... maybe even throwing in our 2nd round pick into the package. We
moved up last year by doing something similar and ended up with the 2nd most
valuable rookie of the year (as per end of season voting).There's no doubt Jazz management will now access all available options.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of any doubt and assume they will
create and choose the best option available. I'm certain there's more
news to come before draft day next month.
@Confused, Farmhand 20, gdog3finally, Frozen Chosen and Live From the Swamp:I realize it’s great fun to yap about conspiracies and makes you
feel like you know something the masses don’t, but caleb in new york and
Simpe Spectator are right. What kind of conspiracy fixes the lottery for
anything less than a marquee name? If the NBA was interested in directing top
picks and players to maximize income, NY and LA would have had a few more top
picks, no? The League is desperate for Cleveland to be a contender again . .
why, exactly? If you have some other proof of a fixed lottery . .
and saying “it’s obvious; everyone knows” doesn’t
qualify as proof . . I’d love to hear it. Otherwise, you don’t
“know” anything. Stop embarrassing yourselves.
Rigged. Even one of the ESPN talking heads pondered that mathematically
speaking, you had a better chance of being struck by lightning than hitting the
top pick 3 years out of 4. What a joke. Another reason to pass on the NBA.
All I can say is get a shooter. We've got bigs. We've got a decent
point guard. We've got a slasher. We need someone who can torch defenses
from the outside and spread the floor. Oh, yeah, and get a coach who knows how
to develop young talent.
@ConfusedRight, the lottery must be rigged. Everyone just LOVES the
Cavaliers.Give me a break. Everyone thinks there is a conspiracy. Let me tell
you now, no one cares about the Cavaliers.
I would have bet money that both Boston and LA would have jumped ahead of
Interesting that Kevin Love is mentioned. He was the fifth pick in the 2008
draft. Other fifth picks who have done well in the NBA include Dwayne Wade,
Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Juwan Howard, Scottie Pippen and Charles
Barkley. Having the fifth pick is not the kiss of death but having a management
team that has no confidence in its ability to draft well is.
I am sure Corbin is laughing till his side hurts as the Jazz tanked this year
to get nothing from the top 3 they have been coveting all season. What a waste
of a year and an "in your face" season to the fans. They should have
gotten a refund for such lackluster play. And doesn't matter who they get
for #5...it will do nothing to elevate them in the Conference. Another poor
decision and they can spin it all they want, but management did us wrong. Now
they will suck even further if they cannot keep Hayward...but mabe they will
actually be the worst team in the league next year and get the #2 pick behind
this year's results seemed to be evidence that the lottery is NOT rigged
and is indeed a random drawing. It does not make sense that the lottery was
rigged to favor Cleveland, because Cleveland is not that important in the big
picture of the league to justify such special treatment. Cleveland already had
its few years in the limelight when Lebron played there. If the league wanted
to rig it, there would be plenty of other teams to help which would generate far
greater interest for the league.
The team with the best odds has not won the lotto since 2004. Cleveland has won
it 3 years out of the last 4. Does the #1 pick go on sale or what?
It should be clear to everyone that the NBA lottery is rigged. The NBA is a
billion dollar business and billion dollar businesses don't leave things to
chance. I think the WWF has more credibility than the NBA.
Jazz fans act like a # 5 pick is bad. Plenty of good players in this
year's draft. They have two top 23 picks. There are a lot of teams who
would love to have two first round picks.
There were two teams I was hoping that would not get the number 1 pick and that
was Cleveland and LA. This stinks. Please NBA put the lottery in the toilet and
be like the NFL in regards to the draft.If the Jazz trade up, trade
Kanter, the 5th and the 23rd draft picks for anyone of the top four picks in the
draft this year. All four of the picks will be stars in this league and we all
know it. Do not trade down, draft Randle, he was mention earlier in
the season as a top three selection and would work well with Favors down low.
Luck/unlucky? The draft lottery has long been a rigged affair.
Interesting to see Vonleh mentioned in several posts. Word from NBA GM's is
that he is going before Randle. I agree he is a better pick than Randle, who has
defense issues and was almost certainly going to slide possibly further in the
draft. It's too bad because the difference between pick #'s 54 and 4
is quite big. Exum or Embiid would have been fun to see drafted.I am
sure the Jazz will be trying to package the #5 and 23 picks in a trade,
hopefully even to move up just one spot in the draft.
At least it wasn't the Lakers who got lucky with the 1st pick.
the Jazz have their pick chosen, now the GM needs to do his job and
hire a coach
Could someone please take that Gilbert kids bow tie, and run it through a
shredder ? @ConfusedI think you are right, it is rigged.
Cleveland ? 1.7 percent chance and they win? Not only win, but win the lottery
3 of the last 4 years. Unbelievable. This way they can trade the number 1 pick
along with other pieces to the Heat, and get Lebron back. Makes a great story
and the NBA knows it.@Sports21I agree trade back, unless
they can somehow trade up and get at least #2.
@confusedwell...i just cant always think negative....anyway...i like
the idea of trading down...or trading up....outside the 3...everyone else are of
the same caliber..i still think we shouldnt have drafted trey burke....
Jazz will take McDermott (Hayward 2.0).
starthillnotnelson,I like the way you are thinking, however the Jazz
could offer the #5 and #23 picks along with Hayward and Kanter but the Cavs
still wouldn't give up the #1 pick.
KakashiWho says Cleveland has luck? I think the NBA has demonstrated
clearly that the lottery is RIGGED!
@PhilRMTrading anything for Kevin Love would be a waste. He's not
going to want to stay in Minnesota and if the Jazz traded for him he would
resign to stay here either. Just another example of the disadvantage small
market teams are up against in the NBA.
Do not trade for Kevin Love just so he can turn around and sign with la a year
I have been a JAZZ FAN for life, my advice is trade back.. After the top three
the tAlent doesn't change much through 12-14.. Trade back and take
McDermott please then try to pick up another first rounder and take stauskas if
possible.. Then with our 23rd take early from Wichita state.. If you do this we
will be elite for years.. I could also see James young being the next James
harden in the league if you don't want McDermott take him.. Don't keep
the 5th pick Vonlegh and Randell are not worth the value you could get in this
draft.. Unfortunate we got the nba effect and lebron leaving Cleveland is still
effecting the league..
I hope the Jazz will select Randle if he's available. He's like a
finished product, much like Parker, even though both of those guys are only
freshmen. He would be able to step in and contribute right away. Just
don't get Aaron Gordon. He can't even make a free throw (42%). And
as far as athleticism is concerned, there are a lot of players who can jump high
like Gordon (look at our own Evans, for example). But Gordon can't shoot
a jump shot, either. He's also not that competitive. And I'm not
that sold on Vonleh, either.If Randle is availed at #5, I think
he's the best bet.
"With the fifth pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Utah Jazz select Coach Jerry
Sloan of McLeansboro, Illinois."I can dream, right?
The jazz should trade 5 with Hayward for the 1. Then they should take one of
the main three.
That tanking really paid off didn't it. I'm sure we will now win the
nba championship just like Dennis made the spurs do!
The Jazz should trade their #5 pick along with a player or two, ie. Hayward, to
the Timberwolves for Kevin Love. He doesn't want to be in Minnesota and he
would be a nice complement to our lineup. It would allow Favors to play the 4,
and open more options for Burke and Burkes.
Curses! Foiled again!
Maybe we will get lucky and Cleveland will draft Vonleh or something.
So what the Jazz ain't got no coach.
wow...cleveland again....how many number 1 picks have they had....since lebron
left cleveland....jumping from 9th to 1st....insane luck they have in cleveland
for getting good position on draft night...however...it hasnt translated in to
wins....now....as for our 5th pick...i say...Noah Vonleh....stretch 4...with
freakish physical traits....can be a solid defender....can shoot
threes....Julius Randle...would produce....but i like Vonleh better since he
could stretch the floor...now that leaves Kanter...as a 6th man...i just hope
the Jazz wont reach for someone...