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Published: Tuesday, May 20 2014 1:50 p.m. MDT

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Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ ChrisB

If BYU goes down to irrelevance, that will not help your beloved U. SEC and other power conferences succeed because they play against the best. The PAC 12 will provide some firepower for the U to prove itself against. But BYU will be on the U's schedule for the foreseeable future on a regular basis. If...as you predict BYU becomes like Wyoming has been traditionally, then any U victories will be hollow. And any losses will have serious repercussions for bowl games. I don't really care one way or the other. But your "wishes" if they come to be will hurt the U too. Best case scenario for your U would be BYU becomes a powerhouse, that the U beats regularly. Not what you are so hot to trot about.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to Naval Vet & flashback (pg 1)...

As I recall, Espn had a decent offer on the table for the MWC (w/ the U and y) but greed and ego prevailed; they wanted their own network then did a poor job of getting their ducks in a row in that endeavor .

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Tomahawk Red
"Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@2fer Flinching
"I know exactly how football fans in the South perceive Utah. I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl, and their opinions were quite condescending. However, all that proved irrelevant when Utah was walking off the field, trophy in hand...BYU has been struggling to keep its head above water as far as scheduling goes, and things just got a whole lot tougher"

All that wasn't proved irrelevant. Nobody in SEC country or Alabama in particular sees Utah as the more deserving or better team. Even sportscasters on ESPN and other shows referred ad nauseum that it was clear that 'Bama was in full letdown mode after losing out on the conference title and spot in the National Championship and played like they were depressed while Utah had to play a near perfect game to win.

Also, BYU hasn't been struggling to put schedules together. Last year's schedule was in the top 30 or so SOS with the majority of teams finishing bowl eligible at seasons end and went 1-1 vs ranked teams. If that's "struggling" then please let us "struggle" every season!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@New to Utah
"BYU showed that they are not competitive with Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Washington. It was so hard to watch the Cougars get thrashed by these ranked teasms."

Fact check, the only one of those 3 teams that was ranked when BYU lost to them was Wisconsin. Neither Notre Dame or Washington was ranked. Also, FYI...BYU was 1-1 vs ranked teams last season trouncing Texas at home and losing to Wisconsin on the road.

Speaking of "not competitive", back at the farm, your utes were 1-3 vs ranked teams but a couple of those were close so good on ya for the morale victories!

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT
@Tomahawk Red
"Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

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Actually when Nebraska left for the BIG 10, Colorado was already packing it's bags to leave the Big 12 as well. Both got tired of Texas arrogance. Otherwise both NE and CO would still be there.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

I just chalk this up to another Craig Thompson blunder. It isn't as bad the the mtn TV deal he signed that forced Utah and BYU out of the MWC and nearly destroyed the conference completely, but it is more of the same type of thinking. He had a conference on the verge of gaining elite status with Utah, TCU and BYU playing at high enough levels to force recognition. Boise State was likely going to join the conference soon and that would have added strength to the argument. Once Utah and BYU left, TCU wasn't going to hang around and try to hold up the whole conference all by itself so they bailed to the Big 12 and Thompson had to scramble to save the conference and his job. I don't know why the universities that employ him allow him to keep his job, but it's not our concern anymore.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@CougarColby
"I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to the conference. "

BYU failed to meet their academic standards (it's not a Tier 1 Research Institution like Colorado and Utah).

Chessermesser
West Valley City, UT

Ho hum, Utah fans.

Just a small question, though. When you Utah next go to a bowl?

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@Mormon Ute

I actually agree with most of that although once the PAC12 offered there is no chance utah was going to say "no" regardless of whether or not the MTN West was going to be upgraded in standing. And who can blame them? I have never said utah shouldn't have taken the pac12 offer, to even think they shouldn't have would be deluded. All I have ever said about it is that I doubt they will ever be more than occasionally competitive in any sport that matters and I do hold to that.

By taking the pac12 offer utah assured itself of being included in the "haves" of college sports as far as affiliation and that was an important thing to accomplish, but at the same time they also sentenced themselves to an eternity of mediocrity as far as their conference, and the college athletics world, is concerned. They simply have to many negatives to ever be a true power in any major sport let alone multiple major sports.

But they had to do it, it was really the only choice to make in my opinion.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Duckhunter,

I agree with you on the point that Utah had to take the Pac 12 offer when it came and would have no matter what the status of the MWC was. My point was that Utah may not have gone looking so soon or courted the Pac 12 so readily had Thompson been smarter about the TV deal. Consequently the MWC may have remained a stronger conference and even gained stature.

I have a question for you. Do you believe BYU would fair any better than Utah in one of the Power 5 conferences? I maintain they wouldn't and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. TCU who resoundingly trounced BYU a few times in the MWC is struggling in the Big 12. Also, in head to head competition with Utah over the past several years BYU has mostly been on par or worse than Utah. That would suggest that BYU's sports programs are at best on par with Utah and would be struggling as well.

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@Mormon Ute

I doubt BYU would have done any better in football than Utah has done to this point, probably about the same, but in basketball BYU would have been far better than Utah has been, I don't think that can even be questioned, and in the "other" sports I don't think there is much question BYU would have been better, BYU is generally a top 25 overall sports program and some of their minor sports are right at the top of collegiate sports.

So in that aspect I absolutely believe BYU would have faired better, and would almost always get better results than Utah in almost everything else. I believe BYU has some advantages Utah doesn't in most of the minor sports, namely LDS athletes and international athletes, and their results year in and year out, not just one or two years, shows it.

Yes Utah would sometimes be better in some of those things, and is better in some of them sometimes, but if you look at the overall histories between the two, and overall nationally, youll see BYU has almost always been dominant in the majority of them, and better on the national stage also.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ BigCougar

Look at the teams traveling to LES this year, and especially in the next few years. It's not impressive, and it's going to get worse.

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@2fer

Actually you are wrong. This year is not bad no matter how much utah "fans" like to try to claim it will be. It is certainly as good, or better, than the mtn west schedule both schools used to play and since most of the teams coming in are new to the stadium there is some real interest in seeing most of them. Interest isn't just generated because the opponenent is top 10 or even top 25, there are other factors. Houston, Virginia and USU all hold interest and will be fun to attend.

In future years there are several good opponents that we know are going to come to LES unless you don't consider Notre Dame, USC, Stanford, Arizona, Boise, utah, Cincinnati, and other similar teams "good" or "interesting".

You know the false narrative utah "fans" constantly try to pass off as reality should embarrass you guys. BYU fans are aware that not every opponent coming to LES is going to be ranked in the top 10, but then only 10 teams are ranked in the top 10 so trying to make act as if anything less is a "bad" opponent or lacks interest is silly.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

Virginia is interesting? To who? This year is bad, 2015 is worse, 2016 is.....awful.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT
@Tomahawk Red
"Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

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And so I'll say again...

Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it.

LOL!

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Tomahawk Red

and so I'll say it again, the Pac12 chose Texas, they were forced to settle for Utah instead.

Get over it.

LOL!!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ BigCougar

Nobody here (except one notorious poster) is crazy enough to think that Utah is a better catch than Texas. I'm just happy Utah is IN

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

@MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Your perspective is so tainted by the romance of the Conference of Champions that it ignores the below average performance of utah. BYU is just fine thank you.

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@2fer

Yes Virginia is interesting for multiple reasons. One is they beat BYU last year so revenge is always interesting. Two is that I don't think they have ever been to BYU before so seeing them there will be interesting as well. Other interesting teams are coming, as I listed, it just doesn't fit your false narrative to admit the truth of it.

But then of course there is always the fact that it neither concerns you nor does it affect you in the least. You don't attend BYu games, you aren't a season ticket holder, it really has nothing to do with you.

I am a season ticket holder, since 1980 to be exact, and I find it interesting and that is what matters most.

I can guaranty that if Virginia agreed to play at res you would be interested in it. Ditto Cincy, or UConn. Aren't you finding Fresno interesting this season? Of course you are and guess what, that makes you a hypocrite. lol

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