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Published: Tuesday, May 20 2014 1:50 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@2fer

"Smack from a pre-season poll, published in an Orlando Newspaper?"

I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it. That is an excellent example of how national media, and in particular the media from sec/acc country, perceive the utah football program.

Now why is this relevent to what we are discussing? Because utah "fans" like youself have spent the last several days on the articles about BYU and it's scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that these other conferences and national media perceive them to be non competitive and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet here we see that they not only perceive utah to be worse than BYU despite utah's membership in the pac12 but they actually think of them as one of the very worst teams in all of college football ranking them below 100.

lol

81Ute
Central, UT

I believe that the shift in College Football is going to create a wider and wider chasm between the P5 and everyone else. Each entity will seeks its own best interests, unfotunately for BYU they are alone. Conferences have some strength in numbers and will do what is best for the interests of their schools. BYU is not part of that equation, they don't care if BYU thrives or languishes.

If the MWC decides to limit noncoference games to September (like PAC12) or maybe the first half of the season, then what? The cougs will howl about vindictiveness but shouldn't a conference try and keep the focus on conference play as the season concludes?

As has been stated earlier in the comments, BYU has very little control regarding its situation. Yep, I know, 'We are independent and can do whatever we choose. We do not follow the whims of any conference'. You are, however, at the mercy of other entities, it takes two parties (minimum) to reach an agreement. As other entities dictate what is in their best interest, BYU will probably be left behind.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

2fer

"FWIW Utah has never finished 12th in the PAC."

Utah is currently dead last in the PAC 12 in baseball. The ONLY reason Utah isn't 12th is Colorado doesn't even have a baseball team.

11th, 12th, whatever, it doesn't really matter; the Utes have consistently finished at or near the bottom of the PAC 12 in most sports.

In 2013-14:
Football - 10th
M Basketball - 8th
W Basketball - 11th
Baseball - 11th of 11
Softball - 6th of 9
W Volleyball - 8th

btw, Colorado has been in the dumps in football for almost a decade. In conference play, the Buffs are only a little worse than Utah, but the Utes are closing the gap:

Colo: 2-7, 1-8, 1-8
Utah: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

CodyCougar

Thanks for your concern, troll, but BYU will be fine - just some growing pains.

That $400 million backlog in deferred maintenance at the U should be more concerning to the long-term viability of a certain Utah sports program - spending millions on new football and basketball practice facilities, while science buildings on the hill are crumbling, is the real disaster waiting to happen.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Wookie

There are usually five or six decent teams on the schedule each year. Boise State, Texas, UCF, Houston and USU are all great teams at the moment with several others likely to be bowl eligible yet again.

I am HOPING that Savannah State brings its marching band. If they do I will be grabbing tickets just to see them jump and jive!!! I am being serious about that one. Never been able to see a SWAC marching band in person and this may be the best chance yet.

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

It's laughable that Utah fans think the DN is pro-BYU when (a) it keeps serving up red-meat articles like this one, which have no purpose other than to bait BYU haters, and (b) it disallows comments pointing out that, whereas BYU may not be the "Lord's" university, it ~is~ the LDS church's university and a significant aspect of the church's public face. So, how about it, U fans? You've left BYU, but can you leave it alone?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

slcftball

"BYU fans try and play a big boy schedule sometime this century."

First of all, unlike Utah fans (see last BYU-Utah game at RES) BYU fans don't actually participate on the field.

Second, BYU played the 38th toughest schedule in the country in 2013, which was tougher than ANY schedule in Utah's entire history, prior to 2013.

Third, BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012, including one of the teams that played in the BCS championship game; Utah only played TWO.

Thanks for playing.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

We totally carried the weak, but strong when we were there, Mwc.
They owe us anything we want plus we are eSPNs favorite team. and the MWC will never be that.
We are totally fine independent, way better than MWC

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Good to hear someone calling out Thompson. Certainly he was motivated by spite. I think he clearly said to BYU, "You can never trust me because I carry a grudge longer than a former high school sweetheart. Oh and please I need to spin my past as if you are at fault for leaving the MWC. I hope nobody remembers about the lies I told about potential tv contracts."

Hochmut
West Jordan, UT

So much discussion that goes nowhere; of the "Power 5 Conferences", there are only a handful of teams that could potentially win a NC: FL State, Miami and Clemson (maybe); OK, TX, OK State (maybe); OSU, Wisc, MSU or Mich; ND; Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA (maybe); AL, Auburn; GA, LSU; that is about it; 20 teams, tops. So the other teams can just look through the window with BYU and hope to get a piece of the pie. With BYU, they get a smaller pie, but it is all theirs and they don't have to split it with anyone.

Plus I like the variety of games across the country and it will continue to be a balance of good and weak teams. The mission of the university is being fulfilled and I'm enjoying the games where ever they may be played. Go Cougars!

hymn to the silent
Holladay, UT

Let's be honest, nobody cares what Thompson says anyway. And nobody could have predicted how college football would shift even five years ago. I too, have tight connection to not only the pac12 process, but to Holmoe's crew. BYU going independent was not a knee jerk reaction. It was plan B, and it was very well thought out. Unfortunately, the explosion among leagues left them scrambling to fill their schedule. But they can still get quality opponents, and still look good for their audience around the Country. Utes to the PAC12 was a very deliberate decision. BYU and U were both in the discussion, but it came down to more than football...even though most on the committee felt like Utah had a slight edge there. It was the whole package: academics, international reputation, research, athletics, alumni, audience...Two great Universities, both doing great things.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

No playoff for U
Salt Lake City, UT

"Utah fans beat their chests about playing built-in games versus PAC 12 teams, but the Utes themselves are incapable of scheduling OOC home games against the truly elite programs of college football."

What? Utah doesn't need P5 teams in their OOC. We have a steady stream of P5 teams rolling through Salt Lake City every year. A dearth of P5 teams and a compelling home schedule is byu's problem...certainly not Utah's. LOL!

Good luck to byu in scheduling elite games (home or away) in the new era.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Jarvis, I love your comment about the Band. Thank you for bring a dose of reality.

Duckhunter, seriously, you are digging deep to find that poll. Do you really want to post something like that. You can report it as abuse and they will remove it. You should see if they have a abuse function that relates to pathetic attempt.

Go UTES!

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

little perspective

The point isn't whether Utah needs P5 OOC games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams aren't even interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC team and none of the elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played at RES.

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

Riddles in the Dark

You stay in the dark--in denial. It's apparently more comfortable for you there. BYU athletics is lacking in leadership, and the train wreck isn't over yet.

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@wookie

I can see it cuts you deeply. I didn't "dig deep" for it at all, it was widely reported. The Sentinal does these rankings every year and they are reported every year. Face the facts the utah football program is perceived to be pathetic and bad and this is simply more evidence of that truth. Just because a utah "fan" like yourself doesn't like to face the reality of it doesn't make it any less real. lol

Ranked 101st out of 129 isn't much evidence of the respect you utah "fans" seem to be under the delusion that the utah football program has, or in reality doesn't have.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

"The point isn't whether Utah needs P5 OOC games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams aren't even interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC team and none of the elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played at RES."

You are living in the past (typical). The Utes don't need an elite OOC team on their schedule (though they have Michigan the next two years) they already have 9. The SEC / ACC want 9 as well, hence the pickle in which byu finds itself. So, Marked it Down, there is an entire conference interested in playing Utah at home and on the road. What the Utes need are quality non-P5 games but the pool of quality non-P5 teams decreased by 1 this week.

You can't take what byu desperately wants and assume Utah can't get it. That is just emotional and frantic.

Repeat after me...Utah IN...byu OUT and fading fast!

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

CodyCougar

Actually, BYU has great leadership in their athletic department - the issue outsiders fail to understand is that BYU athletics fills a much larger role for the mission of BYU and the LDS church than simply winning games and championships.

BYU must manage that mission in harmony with the values of the school/church and the ever-changing landscape of college athletics.

Craig Thompson and his ill-conceived The MTN and broken promises about BYU's rights to broadcast/re-broadcast BYU sporting events was the primary motivation for BYU leaving the MWC.

BYU significantly improved it's national and international broadcast footprint, while having to deal with the inherent difficulties of scheduling 12 games per season, instead of only 3 or 4.

It's a trade-off, but one that was needed.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Duckhunter
Highland , UT
@2fer

I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it. That is an excellent example of how national media, and in particular the media from sec/acc country, perceive the utah football program.

Now why is this relevent to what we are discussing? Because utah "fans" like youself have spent the last several days on the articles about BYU and it's scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that these other conferences and national media perceive them to be non competitive and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet here we see that they not only perceive utah to be worse than BYU despite utah's membership in the pac12…..
lol

________

Yep, lol.

All of the emotional thoughts and feelings is not going to change what power conferences think of BYU football. All you are left with is criticizing Utah.

"I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it."

True indeed Duckhunter, true indeed. Said so yourself.

Absolutely classic!

ekute
Layton, UT

CodyCougar,
You couldn't have put it better. That's how things have been in happy valley since that infamous decision to go independent.

Duckhunter,
"Face the facts." Now that's a funny one from a happy valley fan.

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