Again, hello writers at the Des News!!!! You all are completely missing the
point, how I am I the only one who is taking notice? Who is BYU
going to play in 2016? They have two home games scheduled and the season starts
in 27 months. They are the only team that I could find who doesn't have a
complete schedule set up, let a lone open spots in Oct. Nobody is going to go
to LES in Oct in 2016. It amazes me that everyone is missing this
and that the level of concern is at zero. This article talks about
two long term opponents. That's great and all, but who else are they going
to play and who would be willing to come to LES? The answer is nobody. The lack of urgency even among the beat writers is mind boggling.
Craig Thompson has some validity to his comments. Why would the schedule BYU
when teams in your conference have a better shot at playing in a better bowl
based upon strength of schedule. If BYU cannot put together a strong enough
schedule, playing them would not benefit any team. As it looks now, BYU
strength of schedule is getting weaker and weaker by each conference
announcement. Take away the emotion and just think about it, this is the number
1 reason why MWC might not schedule BYU going forward.Go UTES!
BYU should have gotten this Thompson guy fired long ago. He's the one that
caused Utah and the Y to leave the MWC due to the really bad TV contract. Had
he not been there, and a better TV contract negotiated, the MWC would be a very
powerful football conference that would make the big 5 look at them hard.
They'd be far better than the Pac 10.
Wookie - You seem to be confusing the strength of schedule that byu offers to
the MWC vs. the strength of schedule for byu. BYU is ranked ahead of every MWC
team in any preseason ranking I've seen, and also ahead of many power
conference teams. That is even with a poor strength of schedule for BYU. If
Alabama played in the WAC, they'd still be Alabama. You're mixing
yourself up friend in your attempt to belittle byu. Try taking emotion out of
it to understand the concepts at hand.
What was he thinking?He's realizing he has all the power in
negotiations with byu.Now that the Pac 12, Big 12, ACC, and SEC have
all told byu "NO" in one way or another and reminded byu and their fans
time and time again they are a mid-major team with a mid-major university, byu
is losing whatever leverage it had previously.There might not be
another university in the nation in as desperate a situation right now.The MWC is the only thing keeping byu even at a MWC quality level.If the MWC stops helping byu out, and I hope they do, byu will be reduced to a
level below the MWC(WAC 2.0)You're not on the SEC's
levelYou're not on the Pac 12's level(that's why we
will never invite you)You're not on the Big 12's levelYou're not on the ACC's level(cant beat Virginia) that's
why they didn't consider you a power conference teambyu is at
risk of following below MWC levelAnd I will laugh the whole way
Let's look, shall we..."Finally, BYU has games with Nevada
(2014, 2019), UNLV (2014, 2015), Fresno State (2015, 2017), San Jose State
(2015, 2017) and Hawaii (2017, 2018). Between now and 2023, BYU has a grand
total of 25 games with MWC already scheduled. It is not in the best interest of
any of these teams to back out of any of these games with BYU."This is exactly the type of schedule that got byu shunned by the SEC and the
ACC and it is abundantly clear that byu is almost completely reliant on the MWC
for games. Still, we hear Peavler's refrain...don't get byu mad, or
else. LOL! Or else what, Peavler? byu has no games to play?"With the walls starting to ominously rise around the so-called "Power
5" conferences, the Mountain West needs as many friends as it can get.
Angering BYU's fan base won't help the conference's
cause."This might be a shock to you, Peavler, but byu can use as
many friends as they can get.
This type of article only serves as fodder for BYU haters.BYU will
be just fine regardless of what direction their football program takes. The
best thing would be to never schedule our "friends" from up north again.
Second to that might be shutting down the program completely.
Flashback:Utah didn't leave the MWC because of "the
Mtn." We left because of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 > MWC all around.
Better sports, better revenues, larger fanbase. Thompson isn't a failure
because he couldn't bring $20 million television contracts to the MWC.
Nobody could. Not even Scott, Slive, or Delaney.And cougars
didn't leave because of it either. The Mtn. WAS a poorly executed
broadcasting contract, but the reason the cougars left was because of a
knee-jerk reaction to Utah getting invited to the Pac-10, and the cougars NOT
getting invited to the Big 12. The cougars knew they'd fall even FURTHER
behind big brother, so they rolled the dice and figured, "what do we have to
lose." I think the Y also thought they could return to the MWC if things
didn't work out. Although that fallback plan doesn't appear to be
311uteReno, NVYou are absolutely right, 311ute. It isn't
that byu fans don't care, though. The issue is that they can' see
past their hubris enough to understand that if the MWC does make such a move, it
will have a major impact on byu. The pervading sentiment is that byu will save
college football. Lol!Do what I'm doing...grab some popcorn
and sit back and enjoy the show. The entertainment value is off the charts.
Big12, I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac 12
wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to the
conference. When you look at the figures (monetarily speaking) BYU has so much
more to offer than the U (and that has been extremely apparent since you guys
joined the PAC12). I have a family member that worked with Larry Scott and was
heavily involved in this process. When the PAC12 looked at adding
schools (and took religion out) BYU was their top candidate. They attract a
bigger population in both media and game attendance, quality of athletic
programs, they sell more paraphernalia, travel better, and have a fantastic
relationship with the "worldwide leader in sports". Financially speaking
BYU was a better pick.However, the PAC12 had to, obviously, take
religion into account and with BYU not backing down from Sunday play and the
political/religious climate of the West Coast...they made their decision.My prediction is BYU will be a FCS (D2) school in the next 10 years, and
there isn't anything wrong with that. At least we might be able to win a NC
NO ONE cares what Thompson thinks including members of his own conference.
I'm sure BSU will be bullied out of money making matchups with BYU to make
Thompson happy...not. Lol311ute:We all appreciate your concern
but this is what independence looks like. There are currently deals being worked
out for the remainder of the 2016 schedule...don't worry, it will be a
crappy home schedule like always in independence. I am one BYU fan who
isn't looking at independence with any degree of confidence after the last
few days...time to work out a deal with someone and get off the street IMHO.
Absolutely guaranteed BYU ends up ranked higher than the Utes come year end.
Anyone want to take that bet? So if you are ranked in the top 30 how does that
make you a mid major program... that just doesn't make any sense.
Always comical to see Ute fans talk about arrogance and hubris. On articles
that don't concern their team. And about a team from which they have
professed to have moved on. I agree with the article's author.
This brain burp will come back to bite Thompson. But he being him, he
won't learn a thing from it. Every time words come out of his mouth, it
reconfirms the wisdom of leaving the MWC.
NV:"Knee jerk reaction" to Utah's invite? Give me a
break...how frantic and emotional of you. BYU considered going independent
before the formation of the MWC and decided to continue with their friends in
the north at forming a new league instead (or did you forget that Utah was
integral in talking BYU into a new conference in the first place). Even after
the formation of the MWC BYU talked about independence when they felt slighted
because of perceived dishonesty from the MWC, especially Thompson (how much is
true and how much is BYU being elitist who knows...I just know independence was
always a contingency [Val Hale is a relative]). Once Utah left they felt no
allegiance but independence wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was always a
contingency...or did you think BYU moved so quickly to garner ESPN deals and
become independent so soon after Utah's announcement by osmosis?
Please...c'mon NV I thought you were above "frantic and emotional"
@311ute, What amazes me is that 6 of 9 comments on this board are ute fans and
are so obsessed that they literally spend the whole day trolling BYU articles.
That is truly amazing! It shouldn't shock me because the pattern of Navel,
CB, perspective and others is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and
going and going. Relax guys. most of us BYU fans really aren't that worried
about the schedule in 2-3 yrs. Intrigued yes. I'll let all of you
Colby,"Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah "LOL, ya
right(said sarcastically)"My prediction is BYU will be a FCS
(D2) school in the next 10 years"LOL, ya right(Said non
sarcastically)Even byu fans are seeing that byu is becoming a DII
team.This is so funny watching byu's program destruct!
Cougsndawgs: I expect to see that kind of pessimism from a Ute fan, not a cougar
fan. For those who don't like independence, what do you propose? Go back to
the MWC? You really want to travel to Laramie and Albuquerque? Wow! Any other
ideas? I've been thrilled with independence. The only way it will work will
be to win and no amount of handwringing about conference affiliation can change
that. Win baby win. Good luck cougars! Hear's hoping for a great yr!
cougndawgs,"...time to work out a deal with someone and get off
the street IMHO."Ya, why don't you guys just join the Pac
12 or Big 12 and play a big time schedule against big time programs with home
and homes year after year?Also, that provides a direct path to
everything in college football.I'm surprised that byu would
rather be an indy-WAC team than play in a big boy conference.
CougarColby- The truth of the matter is there was never ANY DISCUSSION of byu
in the PAC-10 expansion. When byu was mentioned they said and I quote, "Ya,
there is byu.... Ah, so who else is there?" End of story.
Sports Are Great.You are looking at the immediate future. Now, take
a step back and look to the future. With only 2-3 decent teams a year, how will
BYU strength of schedule look then? The Power 5 have made it very clear how
strength of schedule will be determined. MWC is looking at how they will
navagate their role in bigger bowls and scheduling teams with poor strength of
schedules will not assist their efforts. GO UTES!
Cougsndawgs - I love the honesty. I am very concerned about the Y's
schedule and future. Yes, I am a U fan but I grew up in SLC loving the rivalry
and I appreciate what the Y is and what they have to offer. You are right, it
will be a crappy home schedule as everyone else already is booked. I am just
shocked with the level of complacency and naiveness from the majority of Y fans
that a good or complete schedule will just suddenly appear. MyPerspective - You are right, it's an uphill battle that our Y friends
wont even recognize or worry about. I guess I'll grab that popcorn and
enjoy the next few years of the Great BYU Independence Project.However, I do wonder what it's like for Bronco when a recruiting visit
goes as such:Potential Recruit - Who are you playing at home my Freshman
or Sophomore year (2016 and beyond)? Bronco - I don't know but we
don't worry about that. We are BYU, people will come.
CougarColby:I love it when BYU fans state that they "have a
friend/family member" who knows how the deal really went down. This reminds
me of another poster, duckhunter not to name names, who comes out with similar
comments from time to time. Don't post comments if you are not willing to
name your friend/family member. It makes you look like a duck.Go
If it become necessary, BYU could start a new conference along with BSU and SDSU
as anchors. And align itself with thew AAC in the East. I can think of several
Western teams that would jump at the chance. The reason the like attempt failed
is BYU wouldn't join to be with the Beast, now that the Beast is no longer
in the picture and the AAC is, it just might be an option that'll work for
BYU. It's exposure that BYU wants, and the AAC is spread out pretty
good!BYU football is far from dead!Bob
Hey Wookie - your reality is already here - 3 conference wins a year! Enjoy!
CougarColby:"I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality
the Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to
add to the conference."Nope. You made that up. That can't
be supported anywhere. How frantic and emotional of you.P.S.: Utah
sells more paraphernalia than the Y, and had been doing so since before our
Sugar Bowl season.
When BYU was part of the MWC it was miserable trying to watch BYU games while
living on the East Coast. We only ended up being able to watch a few games a
year. I can only imagine how it was impacting recruiting LDS Players across the
country who knew that their friends and family would struggle to ever watch them
play. Getting out from under The MWC television package was a huge improvement.
I have watched nearly every game since. I am confident that things will work
out. They always do.
Wookie,You are still confusing the strength of schedule impact that
byu could have on MWC teams vs. byu's strength of schedule. BYU has been
playing a MWC schedule essentially for the last several decades, including thus
far in independence. And yet byu is ranked higher than any mountain west team
and half of all power conference teams, meaning byu provide a greater strength
of schedule boost to MWC teams than many power conference teams. This happens
even if byu has a bad strength of schedule themselves, provided byu maintains a
high enough ranking even with that bad schedule.Two separate things
wookie. Like I said, if Alabama played in the MWC that wouldn't suddenly
mean they wouldn't provide a big strength of schedule boost to other teams
- even if their strength of schedule(by virtue of having a MWC schedule) is
Kaysvillecoug:"Cougsndawgs: I expect to see that kind of pessimism
from a Ute fan, not a cougar fan. For those who don't like independence,
what do you propose?"It's not pessimism it's reality.
Hopefully Holmoe and administrators also see the scheduling concerns as reality
and are working the phones and frequent flier miles. I hate agreeing with ute
fans but you guys really need to look at what's happening here and realize
that without working on conference affiliation, it is only going to get worse
and more difficult remaining relevant and playing at the highest level of CFB.
I've stated on other articles what I propose. Go to the Big 12 and continue
where you left off except leave all demands except Sunday play at the door. IMHO
the Big 12 will have to expand because the P5 will pressure them to do what the
rest of them are doing if they want P5 status. How do you think it will play out
when a Big 12 team gets in the playoff while sitting at home & a P5 front
runner loses in a CCG and is left out?Wookie:I named my
relative, are you happy?
You're being disingenuous Navel. What do you expect PAC 10 officials to
do, come out and admit religious bigotry??? Not going to happen.BYU
has more money, better facilities, better following nationally, more
well-rounded sports program, and a better history than Utah. Not even close.
kaysvillecougar:"Relax guys. most of us BYU fans really
aren't that worried about the schedule in 2-3 yrs."You're worried. And so is Holmoe. That's why he's been flying
all over the South meeting with commissioners from the SEC and ACC, and with
results that make all the more worrisome. We can tell. And you should be.Utah fans on the other hand, are NOT worried. What have we to worry
about? We just have to win our games, and we're in. You guys....not so
I would expect the MWC to regularly review its relationship with the Y. The Y
has lost some bargaining value recently and doesn't hold all of the cards
that it once did. For example, I enjoy USU playing the Y each year but no
longer on a two for one. One problem I have with all of the focus
on championship bowl games is that it takes away from the joy college football.
College football should be more about conference titles and rivalry games than
about finding out what team is the NC.
Peavler: "With the walls starting to ominously rise around the so-called
"Power 5" conferences, the Mountain West needs as many friends as it can
get."The MWC needs friends on the inside of the wall. BYU is on the
outside. What good does it do to be friends with an outsider?
Wow! Are BYU fans really so delusional that they are trying to spin THIS into a
positive? Mental gymnastics for the win. Hey at least you guys are better than
my Utes, which is what you seem to somehow be able to tell yourselves despite
losing four straight to us. Also, Kiboo, it's not religious bigotry. Utah
is, and was especially at that time, a top flight program that had just won two
recent BCS games. BYU was not anywhere close to that.
@ Kiboo and ColbyBYU doesn't meet the basic academic
requirements to be members of the PAC-12. It's not bigotry. Utah is just
a better fit.
Orlando Sentinal preseason poll has utah ranked 101st. yes you read that
correctly 101st. That is definitely evidence of the respsect being in a
"power" conference brings to a program.if utah wasn't in the pac12
they would probably be ranked 119th. lol
What was he thinking?In his jealousy and anger he's thinking he
can hurt BYU.Instead, since the Mountain West is primarily, after
the departure of BYU, Utah and TCU, a weak conference, he looks like a whiny
fool. (Newsflash: even with Boise State's fine program the conference is,
with its current members, not the ACC, the Big-10, etc.)
Oh yes, I remember Craig Thompson now--the weird uncle of college athletics.Doesn't he have handlers or something?
The Orlando Sentinel's college insider Matt Murschel has ranked all 128
Football Bowl Subdivision teams in the country entering the 2014 season. The
Sentinel staff will take a closer look at a new team daily, counting backward
from No. 128 to our projected No. 1 team.Today at No. 101: Utah
UtesCoach: Kyle Whittingham (76-39, entering 10th season; 76-39
overall)2013 record: 5-7 (2-7 in Pac-12 Conference, 5th in South
I hope Thompson and the rest of the Mid-Major Conference Commissioners read this
311uteOnce again, you're desperately trying to paint a picture
of gloom and doom for BYU, in order to soothe you're own angst about the
possibility of an Independent BYU continuing to outshine PAC 12 Utah.The writing is on the wall that being a punching bag for the big boys of the
PAC and spending bowl week at home on the couch isn't nearly as exciting as
U thought it would be, especially when BYU continues to play regularly in
nationally televised regular season and bowl games.
One of the best articles I've read in the DesNews in a long time. Jolly
2fer"BYU doesn't meet the basic academic requirements to be
members of the PAC-12."Yet, somehow when the PAC 12/Big 12 South
merger talks were ongoing, the PAC 12 was ready and willing to accept with open
arms, Oklahoma State, which has the exact same High Research rating as BYU.In other words, the PAC 12's "basic academic requirements"
were nothing more than a "want to have", than a "requirement".
Utah is in some great company with their ranking on the previously mentioned
Orlando Sentinel article:No. 101 UtahNo. 102 Louisiana
TechNo. 103 WyomingNo. 104 UTEPNo. 105 New
Independence not the best idea.I remember people have said give it some
time to get good scheduling. BYU announced almost 4 years ago, but look at the
P5 teams scheduled to come to Provo. (This is not just November, this is the
entire season).2014: Virginia2015: None2016: NoneAfter BYU plays Virginia this September, no power conference school will
be coming to Provo until Utah comes in 2017.
Things I learned by reading this article and the comments1- Utah
fans ALWAYS comment more on BYU articles then on Utah articles....2-
Thompson was a terrible commissioner who lost Utah, TCU, and BYU in the same
year and is small and petty3- BYU has a great rivalry going with Utah
State and Boise State that all three schools enjoy4- BYU will NEVER
return to the MWC nor should they.5- Utah's arrogance is baffling
... Yes you are in the PAC12 but you are the 12th place team... Big deal6- College football has become less competitive... every year the top 8 teams
are usually the same 8 teams year after year.
Uncle RicoUnfortunately for U, the only thing the Utes have gotten
out of playing a P5 heavy schedule is one mediocre season, two losing, bowl less
seasons, and a "prestigious" preseason #101 ranking from SEC country for
the coming season.btw, remind us the last time an SEC team visited
RES. How about Texas or Notre Dame or Florida St or Miami or Penn St?Utah fans beat their chests about playing built-in games versus PAC 12 teams,
but the Utes themselves are incapable of scheduling OOC home games against the
truly elite programs of college football. Michigan, in 2015, will be
the first, and ONLY, elite OOC team ever to visit Utah, a scheduling mistake
that the Wolverines probably regretted as soon as the talked about PAC 12 / B1G
scheduling agreement was dropped.
Big 12 Call yet, the name of your screen name tells me that BYU is bigger than
what you say, you seem to have them on your mind. But let's look at this
and this is for you too Chris B, BYU would have been the selection in the Pac12
over Utah if they would have played on Sundays, this is the reason and only
reason your there and NOT BYU. In every article that talks about history and
respect in the college landscape they talk about BYU NOT Utah. So get over
yourselves, the fact is Utah could never have had the success BYU had as an
independent there's not many universities that would. Maybe your
fascination with BYU should tell you that,you know you've made it when
you've got people who love you and hate you so much that they have to take
a shot anytime they can. Thanks to fans like you BYU will always be relevant!
Please.BYU fans try and play a big boy schedule sometime this
century. You are 2-12 against ranked opponents your last 14 games.Translation- you aren't relevant right now. You don't deserve to
play SEC schools.Utah- do nott know why you fans comments so much on
BYU. Like you are king of the hill. Ha- you are chum for the real PAC12
football teams. You get the heck beat out of you and haven't had a winning
season since joining the PAC.Translation- win something before you
talk so much. Your comments carry no weight. Try and sit at the big boy table
in any PAC sport please.
@ DuckhunterSmack from a pre-season poll, published in an Orlando
Newspaper?C'mon man. You're better than that.
@ BobI think you're over estimating BYU. If they tried to
invent their own conference it would be a disaster. First off, where would the
t.v. money and bowl tie-ins come from? BYU could barely secure a bowl for
themselves. Negotiating to secure bowl for a whole conference is a very tall
order. Not to mention, the new "BYU Conference" would still not be
considered a P5 conference, so what wold make BSU and SDSU (and the other
western teams you think would come) pay the exit fee in their conference for
what would be, at best, a lateral move?
Craig Thompson is way off. Did any one notice that the Mountain network only
went off the air after BYU left. Not Utah, not TCU but BYU. Cougar ratings
were bigger by far than any other team. Craig Thompson should welcome the
Cougars to play against his conference teams.Honestly, I don't
know how this guy keeps his job.
@ Justmythoughts1- Both fan bases comment on each other's
articles. It's normal. The reason for the high number of comments on
BYU/conference stories is because it is a very important story about our main
rival. 2- Thompson is indeed a terrible commissioner. However, that
had nothing to do with why Utah and TCU left.3- I don't think
USU is enjoying the rivalry, but BYU does have a good thing going with BSU and
the Aggies.4- Probably not. But I can see BYU heading to the AAC5- I don't think Utah fans are the arrogant ones here. It's
BYU fans who have been saying that they can create their own conference if they
need to. Or just read the body of this article! It doesn't get more
arrogant than that. Also, FWIW Utah has never finished 12th in the PAC. Either
way, at least we're IN.6- It flows. Ten years ago Utah and Cal
were in the top 10, Colorado won the Big XII North, and Alabama went 6-6.
Obviously the landscape is dramatically different now. CFB is as competitive as
Another article to stir the pot. BYU went indy because the alternative at
the time was stay in a much weaker conference with no exposure.ESPN has
helped BYU with exposure. Independence has helped with exposure and recruiting,
we will see if that trend continues. We are no longer a western U.S. team, we
are building a national brand, and it will take many years to complete the
process.As the college football landscape shifts BYU may like to get back
into a conference, but that is too early to tell. Some of this is out of
BYU's control because if bigotry is at play we will never be invited, so it
is what it is.The playoff will not stay at 4 teams for very long as there
are currently 5 'power' conferences. When it goes to 8 teams the
landscape will change again.Scheduling has it's up and downs. The
team just needs to focus on wins no matter who they are playing and good things
will happen. Just because the publicly released schedule only shows a few games
for 2016 you can bet there are a lot more already lined up. Keep the faith.
Naval Vet, I don't need to blast out the ties I have and who
they are. If you don't believe my earlier comment...I don't really
care. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.BYU would still be a
better fit logically. More well rounded athletic program, a bigger market share
in TV media, historically significance, sales, game attendance, traveling crowd,
etc. etc. etc. It makes a much better fit financially.Admittedly,
finances are not the only thing that goes into decision making. Utah has had far
more national success in the recent past which was obviously a plus in the
decision making. But with Utah (and Colorado), the PAC12 could get their 12
school league and not upset the balance of power. Do you think Oregon, Stanford,
USC and UCLA would have been okay with a Notre Dame or Texas joining the league?
Nope, don't want to shift the balance of power. With Utah there isn't
a worry, so the vote was easy. The rest of the country sees your couple years of
success just like Boise State's, abnormal at best.
Independence = homeless. I hate it. I mourne for my Cougars. Sad days.
Justmythoughts,too. 1. In many cases u trolls comment on BYU articles
more than the BYU fans.2. He must know someone. 3. ...and
rivalries are what make college football fun.4. Couldn't agree more.
I never want to see Wyoming on the schedule again.5. The u is riding the
coat tails of the winning b5 teams all while playing midmajor quality football.
They would struggle to compete with the upper tier mid-majors.6. ...and
their proposed conference changes aim to keep it that way.
The back and forth between Ute fans and Cougar fans was going on when I first
set foot at the U of U for grad school in 1972, and it has never ceased in
intensity and trash. Will the National Championship ever come to Utah? Very
doubtful, but at leat they are in a conference that can get them into the
playoffs, IF THEY CAN WIN THE PAC 12. Will BYU ever see another National
Championship? No, not as an independent, and not as a member of a conference
that the Power 5 are relegating to second-class status.But what
really caught my eye as I read th comments is how ignorant some commenters are.
The FCS is D II? Really? FBS, FCS, D II, D III, NAIA, in descending order.
Not that hard to remember. Ask North Dakota State if they understand the
difference between the FCS and D II. If you expect your comment to be taken
seriously, you really should not throw out evidence that you might not have a
CTJ fanSalt Lake City, UT"But let's look at this and
this is for you too Chris B, BYU would have been the selection in the Pac12 over
Utah if they would have played on Sundays, this is the reason and only reason
your there and NOT BYU."Again, your dreaming makes byu the
victim which makes you feel better. Nothing new here. Further, you have
absolutely no support for your assertion. Do you know why? Because it
doesn't exist. byu is not a Pac-12 caliber school. Never has been, is not
now, and most certainly will never be. The Pac-12 knows it and that's all
BleedCougarBlueEnid, OK"In his jealousy and anger
he's thinking he can hurt BYU.Instead, since the Mountain West
is primarily, after the departure of BYU, Utah and TCU, a weak conference, he
looks like a whiny fool. (Newsflash: even with Boise State's fine program
the conference is, with its current members, not the ACC, the Big-10,
etc.)"You should temper your comments a bit, BleedCougarBlue.
Given the number of games byu has on future schedules with MWC teams, make no
mistake about it, the MWC can hurt byu. Although byu fans love to feel
persecuted, the MWCs goal is to take care of their post season needs not to hurt
byu. byu is not at the center of the universe as you people believe.
BYU only has itself to blame--well really Cecil Samuelson and Tom Holmoe.
Samuelson is resting comfortably in the Crimson lounge, and Holmoe is just
trying to avert disaster. What a fool-hearty knee-jerk reaction to leave the
MWC when Utah left. We will be decades recovering from this--and the whole
thing may encourage the senior brethren (UU grads by the way) to discontinue BYU
athletics. Don't be surprised.
@2fer"Smack from a pre-season poll, published in an Orlando
Newspaper?"I understand you don't like to face reality, yet
reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it. That is an
excellent example of how national media, and in particular the media from
sec/acc country, perceive the utah football program.Now why is this
relevent to what we are discussing? Because utah "fans" like youself
have spent the last several days on the articles about BYU and it's
scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that these other conferences and national
media perceive them to be non competitive and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet
here we see that they not only perceive utah to be worse than BYU despite
utah's membership in the pac12 but they actually think of them as one of
the very worst teams in all of college football ranking them below 100. lol
I believe that the shift in College Football is going to create a wider and
wider chasm between the P5 and everyone else. Each entity will seeks its own
best interests, unfotunately for BYU they are alone. Conferences have some
strength in numbers and will do what is best for the interests of their schools.
BYU is not part of that equation, they don't care if BYU thrives or
languishes. If the MWC decides to limit noncoference games to
September (like PAC12) or maybe the first half of the season, then what? The
cougs will howl about vindictiveness but shouldn't a conference try and
keep the focus on conference play as the season concludes? As has
been stated earlier in the comments, BYU has very little control regarding its
situation. Yep, I know, 'We are independent and can do whatever we choose.
We do not follow the whims of any conference'. You are, however, at the
mercy of other entities, it takes two parties (minimum) to reach an agreement.
As other entities dictate what is in their best interest, BYU will probably be
2fer"FWIW Utah has never finished 12th in the PAC."Utah is currently dead last in the PAC 12 in baseball. The ONLY reason Utah
isn't 12th is Colorado doesn't even have a baseball team.11th, 12th, whatever, it doesn't really matter; the Utes have
consistently finished at or near the bottom of the PAC 12 in most sports.In 2013-14:Football - 10thM Basketball - 8thW
Basketball - 11thBaseball - 11th of 11Softball - 6th of 9W
Volleyball - 8thbtw, Colorado has been in the dumps in football for
almost a decade. In conference play, the Buffs are only a little worse than
Utah, but the Utes are closing the gap:Colo: 2-7, 1-8, 1-8Utah: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7
CodyCougarThanks for your concern, troll, but BYU will be fine -
just some growing pains.That $400 million backlog in deferred
maintenance at the U should be more concerning to the long-term viability of a
certain Utah sports program - spending millions on new football and basketball
practice facilities, while science buildings on the hill are crumbling, is the
real disaster waiting to happen.
@WookieThere are usually five or six decent teams on the schedule
each year. Boise State, Texas, UCF, Houston and USU are all great teams at the
moment with several others likely to be bowl eligible yet again. I
am HOPING that Savannah State brings its marching band. If they do I will be
grabbing tickets just to see them jump and jive!!! I am being serious about
that one. Never been able to see a SWAC marching band in person and this may be
the best chance yet.
It's laughable that Utah fans think the DN is pro-BYU when (a) it keeps
serving up red-meat articles like this one, which have no purpose other than to
bait BYU haters, and (b) it disallows comments pointing out that, whereas BYU
may not be the "Lord's" university, it ~is~ the LDS church's
university and a significant aspect of the church's public face. So, how
about it, U fans? You've left BYU, but can you leave it alone?
slcftball"BYU fans try and play a big boy schedule sometime this
century."First of all, unlike Utah fans (see last BYU-Utah game
at RES) BYU fans don't actually participate on the field.Second, BYU played the 38th toughest schedule in the country in 2013, which
was tougher than ANY schedule in Utah's entire history, prior to 2013.Third, BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012, including one of the teams
that played in the BCS championship game; Utah only played TWO.Thanks for playing.
We totally carried the weak, but strong when we were there, Mwc. They owe
us anything we want plus we are eSPNs favorite team. and the MWC will never be
that. We are totally fine independent, way better than MWC
Good to hear someone calling out Thompson. Certainly he was motivated by spite.
I think he clearly said to BYU, "You can never trust me because I carry a
grudge longer than a former high school sweetheart. Oh and please I need to spin
my past as if you are at fault for leaving the MWC. I hope nobody remembers
about the lies I told about potential tv contracts."
So much discussion that goes nowhere; of the "Power 5 Conferences",
there are only a handful of teams that could potentially win a NC: FL State,
Miami and Clemson (maybe); OK, TX, OK State (maybe); OSU, Wisc, MSU or Mich; ND;
Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA (maybe); AL, Auburn; GA, LSU; that is about it; 20
teams, tops. So the other teams can just look through the window with BYU and
hope to get a piece of the pie. With BYU, they get a smaller pie, but it is all
theirs and they don't have to split it with anyone.Plus I like
the variety of games across the country and it will continue to be a balance of
good and weak teams. The mission of the university is being fulfilled and
I'm enjoying the games where ever they may be played. Go Cougars!
Let's be honest, nobody cares what Thompson says anyway. And nobody could
have predicted how college football would shift even five years ago. I too, have
tight connection to not only the pac12 process, but to Holmoe's crew. BYU
going independent was not a knee jerk reaction. It was plan B, and it was very
well thought out. Unfortunately, the explosion among leagues left them
scrambling to fill their schedule. But they can still get quality opponents, and
still look good for their audience around the Country. Utes to the PAC12 was a
very deliberate decision. BYU and U were both in the discussion, but it came
down to more than football...even though most on the committee felt like Utah
had a slight edge there. It was the whole package: academics, international
reputation, research, athletics, alumni, audience...Two great Universities, both
doing great things.
No playoff for USalt Lake City, UT"Utah fans beat their
chests about playing built-in games versus PAC 12 teams, but the Utes themselves
are incapable of scheduling OOC home games against the truly elite programs of
college football."What? Utah doesn't need P5 teams in
their OOC. We have a steady stream of P5 teams rolling through Salt Lake City
every year. A dearth of P5 teams and a compelling home schedule is byu's
problem...certainly not Utah's. LOL! Good luck to byu in
scheduling elite games (home or away) in the new era.
Jarvis, I love your comment about the Band. Thank you for bring a dose of
reality. Duckhunter, seriously, you are digging deep to find that
poll. Do you really want to post something like that. You can report it as
abuse and they will remove it. You should see if they have a abuse function
that relates to pathetic attempt.Go UTES!
little perspectiveThe point isn't whether Utah needs P5 OOC
games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams aren't even
interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC team and none of the
elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played at RES.
Riddles in the DarkYou stay in the dark--in denial. It's
apparently more comfortable for you there. BYU athletics is lacking in
leadership, and the train wreck isn't over yet.
@wookieI can see it cuts you deeply. I didn't "dig
deep" for it at all, it was widely reported. The Sentinal does these
rankings every year and they are reported every year. Face the facts the utah
football program is perceived to be pathetic and bad and this is simply more
evidence of that truth. Just because a utah "fan" like yourself
doesn't like to face the reality of it doesn't make it any less real.
lolRanked 101st out of 129 isn't much evidence of the respect
you utah "fans" seem to be under the delusion that the utah football
program has, or in reality doesn't have.
Marked it DownPark City, UT"The point isn't whether
Utah needs P5 OOC games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams
aren't even interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC
team and none of the elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played
at RES."You are living in the past (typical). The Utes
don't need an elite OOC team on their schedule (though they have Michigan
the next two years) they already have 9. The SEC / ACC want 9 as well, hence
the pickle in which byu finds itself. So, Marked it Down, there is an entire
conference interested in playing Utah at home and on the road. What the Utes
need are quality non-P5 games but the pool of quality non-P5 teams decreased by
1 this week.You can't take what byu desperately wants and
assume Utah can't get it. That is just emotional and frantic. Repeat after me...Utah IN...byu OUT and fading fast!
CodyCougarActually, BYU has great leadership in their athletic
department - the issue outsiders fail to understand is that BYU athletics fills
a much larger role for the mission of BYU and the LDS church than simply winning
games and championships.BYU must manage that mission in harmony with
the values of the school/church and the ever-changing landscape of college
athletics.Craig Thompson and his ill-conceived The MTN and broken
promises about BYU's rights to broadcast/re-broadcast BYU sporting events
was the primary motivation for BYU leaving the MWC.BYU significantly
improved it's national and international broadcast footprint, while having
to deal with the inherent difficulties of scheduling 12 games per season,
instead of only 3 or 4.It's a trade-off, but one that was
DuckhunterHighland , UT@2ferI understand you don't
like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire
to face it. That is an excellent example of how national media, and in
particular the media from sec/acc country, perceive the utah football
program.Now why is this relevent to what we are discussing? Because
utah "fans" like youself have spent the last several days on the
articles about BYU and it's scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that
these other conferences and national media perceive them to be non competitive
and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet here we see that they not only perceive
utah to be worse than BYU despite utah's membership in the
of the emotional thoughts and feelings is not going to change what power
conferences think of BYU football. All you are left with is criticizing Utah."I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still
is what it is regardless of your desire to face it."True indeed
Duckhunter, true indeed. Said so yourself. Absolutely classic!
CodyCougar,You couldn't have put it better. That's how things
have been in happy valley since that infamous decision to go independent.Duckhunter,"Face the facts." Now that's a funny one
from a happy valley fan.
little perspective"The Utes don't need an elite OOC team on
their schedule (though they have Michigan the next two years) they already have
9."What difference does it make who U have on your schedule if U
aren't even good enough to finish with a winning record?In
order to get an invitation to the playoffs, the Utes are going to have to finish
with at least an 11-2 record with a win in the PAC 12 championship game.In their entire football history, the Utes have only managed TWO 11+ win
seasons, NONE with a SOS ranked in the Top 40.Despite your improved
SOS, the Utes aren't even as close to qualifying for the playoffs as BYU -
at the very minimum, U have to qualify for a bowl.Utah - looking
through the crimson-colored glasses and thinking they're in, when
they're really OUT.BYU - being projected as a possible playoff
buster and actually having a chance to be IN.
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTRepeat after me...Utah IN...byu
OUT and fading fast!I about wet myself with laughter. It should read
"Utah in and forgotten!!" (in just 3 years non the less) BYU out and yet
more known then ever. I am reminding everybody that I predicted this when Utah
joined the Pac 10.2. Cellar dwellers and forgotten about. 101 in the Orlando
ekuteFace the facts yourself; Utah's football program has been
in steady decline since 2008:13-0, 10-3 ranked, 10-3 unranked,
8-5(4-5), 5-7(3-6), 5-7(2-7)The writing is on the wall; Utah fans
are still living in denial that 2004 and 2008 were the new norm for Utah,
instead of simply being an anomally for an historically mediocre program.
@ DuckhunterI know exactly how football fans in the South perceive
Utah. I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl, and their opinions were quite
condescending. However, all that proved irrelevant when Utah was walking off
the field, trophy in hand.Here's the reality that you may not
like: It's a pre-season poll in an Orlando (not national) newspaper. It
means nothing.Here's why your post is completely irrelevant to
the discussion: Utah is in a P5 conference, and has a minimum of 9 games
against P5 teams each season. Utah has no scheduling challenges. That is a
wonderful benefit of being IN. BYU has been struggling to keep its head above
water as far as scheduling goes, and things just got a whole lot tougher.
Y's little brotherSandy, UTidaho cougar fanTwin
Falls, IDIt is fun to watch the new era of college football unfold
for byu fans as they continue to be smug and in denial.Go Utes!Go Pac-12!
We may be celler dwellers in the PAC but we are in a prestegous conference and
you are not so that makes us prestegous and not you.Go Utes!
little perspectiveIt's laughable to watch the new era of
college football unfold for Utah fans who continue to live in denial that being
in a big boy conference hasn't made you anything more than cannon fodder
for the big boys of the conference.The only thing U have to look
forward at the end of the season is the annual pillow fight in the rockies
against a "rival" that couldn't care less about U.
Many of us are contributing to the demise of byu football and I'm proud to
be part of it.The big 12, pac 12(us), SEC, ACC, and now MWC are all
contributing to the downfall of byu football by not giving them what they
want.I will look back and be proud to have watched and been a part
of all of this.
BYU is competive with Boise State and Utah State and so these are great games.
BYU showed that they are not competitive with Notre Dame, Wisconsin and
Washington. It was so hard to watch the Cougars get thrashed by these ranked
teasms. I actually bought into the concept that BYU was going to be competitive
with ranked teams but that was not the reality.Cougar football has not closed
the deal for me that independence was a smart move. Yes the contract with ESPN
gives more exposure but if they can't win or at least be very competitive
in key games is it really that good.Why can't BYU beat Utah? They played at
LES last year and they looked awful when will the cougars get to next level?
Duckhunter, you always make me smile. Thank you. I am not certain why so many
BYU fans perceive their team as a powerhouse that should be included in the Big
5 as the Notre Dame of the West. This is certainly not the case as evidenced by
recent comments from the larger conferences as the lack of affiliation with BYU.
Reality is the facts. Ranking Utah as they did is a ranking, it is a prediction,
it is not fact. However, the snubbs that BYU is receiving from the Power 5 is a
fact, it is reality. Go UTES.
Wookie,And changing the subject doesn't change reality.
At the risk of getting pulled into a stupid conversation...First
off, just stop talking about BYU relaxing its Sunday play rule. It will NEVER
happen. Anyone suggesting that they should do that clearly doesn't have a
clue about BYU.Secondly, while many of us fans would love to see the
Cougs have another shot at a national title, for most of us it honestly
doesn't consume our thoughts or ruin our enjoyment of the game that they
might not. Since going independent, we have seen some pretty darn good teams on
the schedule, and a bunch of teams that aren't so good. How is that any
different than the past. At least we are seeing teams we haven't beat up on
in the past. Might as well beat up on some new ones.Finally, most of
us are not jealous of Utah, now matter how big your PAC12 stickers are. One thing is for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you
try, we will always be BYU and you won't.
Flashback to Naval Vet: BYU already had their "ducks" in place to move
to Indy. They were just waiting for a good time to move. When Utah elected to
make their move, BYU decided they would make their move at that time, probably
to ease some tension and lessen the flack they knew would be coming from all
directions. They just didn't foresee some Utah fans' being so critical
of BYU doing the same thing that their own "beloved" Utah was doing -
which is doing what is best for their school and their fans. I applaud what Utah
has accomplished, as I do the same for what BYU has been able to accomplish. It
will be interesting to see what happens in the next 5 years with college FB.
Peace to all of y9u Utah, BYU, & Utah State fans. Let's enjoy the ride
and cut the criticism of one anothers' programs. Better to pull for each
other instead. That is the right thing to do.
My PAC12 Sticker is Awesome!SARATOGA SPRINGS, UT"One thing
is for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you try, we will always
be BYU and you won't." Now that is something to be
grateful for. LOL!
Chris B, what is it you did, exactly, to lead to BYU's demise? To all utes,
because of your membership in the PAC, you will go far. I hope soon.
CougarColbyFort Benning, GANaval Vet,I don't need
to blast out the ties I have and who they are. If you don't believe my
earlier comment...I don't really care. I'm not going to lose sleep
over it.---------That's because he's right.
You made that up.Just because YOU think BYU is a better overall fit
in the Pac 12 doesn't mean the conference had them at the top of their
list.That's about as delusional as it gets.Utah was
chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it.
My PAC12 Sticker is Awesome!SARATOGA SPRINGS, UTOne thing is
for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you try, we will always be
BYU and you won't.-------------Yea you are. And no
we're not. We couldn't be more happy about that.And yep,
you and every BYU fan on the planet is jealous of Utah. Deal with it.HA HA HA HA HA!Bye.
breaking news:byu being investigated for major rules violation and
giving improper benefits!The wheels on the byu bus are falling off
and byu is headed for the end of byu football as we know it!LOL!Gooo Utes
MyPerspective: I was U one time: now I am Y. Very happy I'm not now U. lol
"Finally, most of us are not jealous of Utah, now matter how big your PAC12
stickers are."Pac-12Sticker: That's probably
because you are satisfied with your myriad of annual slogans on your bookstore
t-shirts. "Quest for Relevance" anyone?
@ ChrisBIf BYU goes down to irrelevance, that will not help your
beloved U. SEC and other power conferences succeed because they play against
the best. The PAC 12 will provide some firepower for the U to prove itself
against. But BYU will be on the U's schedule for the foreseeable future on
a regular basis. If...as you predict BYU becomes like Wyoming has been
traditionally, then any U victories will be hollow. And any losses will have
serious repercussions for bowl games. I don't really care one way or the
other. But your "wishes" if they come to be will hurt the U too. Best
case scenario for your U would be BYU becomes a powerhouse, that the U beats
regularly. Not what you are so hot to trot about.
to Naval Vet & flashback (pg 1)...As I recall, Espn had a decent
offer on the table for the MWC (w/ the U and y) but greed and ego prevailed;
they wanted their own network then did a poor job of getting their ducks in a
row in that endeavor .
@Tomahawk Red"Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring
along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute
the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At
that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They
couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the
Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.
@2fer Flinching"I know exactly how football fans in the South perceive
Utah. I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl, and their opinions were quite
condescending. However, all that proved irrelevant when Utah was walking off the
field, trophy in hand...BYU has been struggling to keep its head above water as
far as scheduling goes, and things just got a whole lot tougher"All that wasn't proved irrelevant. Nobody in SEC country or Alabama in
particular sees Utah as the more deserving or better team. Even sportscasters on
ESPN and other shows referred ad nauseum that it was clear that 'Bama was
in full letdown mode after losing out on the conference title and spot in the
National Championship and played like they were depressed while Utah had to play
a near perfect game to win.Also, BYU hasn't been struggling to
put schedules together. Last year's schedule was in the top 30 or so SOS
with the majority of teams finishing bowl eligible at seasons end and went 1-1
vs ranked teams. If that's "struggling" then please let us
"struggle" every season!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
@New to Utah"BYU showed that they are not competitive with Notre Dame,
Wisconsin and Washington. It was so hard to watch the Cougars get thrashed by
these ranked teasms."Fact check, the only one of those 3 teams
that was ranked when BYU lost to them was Wisconsin. Neither Notre Dame or
Washington was ranked. Also, FYI...BYU was 1-1 vs ranked teams last season
trouncing Texas at home and losing to Wisconsin on the road. Speaking of "not competitive", back at the farm, your utes were 1-3 vs
ranked teams but a couple of those were close so good on ya for the morale
BigCougarBountiful, UT@Tomahawk Red"Utah was chosen. BYU
was denied. Get over it."No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was
chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when
Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked
and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and
had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after
getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.____________Actually when Nebraska left for the BIG 10, Colorado
was already packing it's bags to leave the Big 12 as well. Both got tired
of Texas arrogance. Otherwise both NE and CO would still be there.
I just chalk this up to another Craig Thompson blunder. It isn't as bad
the the mtn TV deal he signed that forced Utah and BYU out of the MWC and nearly
destroyed the conference completely, but it is more of the same type of
thinking. He had a conference on the verge of gaining elite status with Utah,
TCU and BYU playing at high enough levels to force recognition. Boise State was
likely going to join the conference soon and that would have added strength to
the argument. Once Utah and BYU left, TCU wasn't going to hang around and
try to hold up the whole conference all by itself so they bailed to the Big 12
and Thompson had to scramble to save the conference and his job. I don't
know why the universities that employ him allow him to keep his job, but
it's not our concern anymore.
@CougarColby"I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac
12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to
the conference. "BYU failed to meet their academic standards
(it's not a Tier 1 Research Institution like Colorado and Utah).
Ho hum, Utah fans. Just a small question, though. When you Utah
next go to a bowl?
@Mormon UteI actually agree with most of that although once the
PAC12 offered there is no chance utah was going to say "no" regardless
of whether or not the MTN West was going to be upgraded in standing. And who can
blame them? I have never said utah shouldn't have taken the pac12 offer, to
even think they shouldn't have would be deluded. All I have ever said about
it is that I doubt they will ever be more than occasionally competitive in any
sport that matters and I do hold to that. By taking the pac12 offer
utah assured itself of being included in the "haves" of college sports
as far as affiliation and that was an important thing to accomplish, but at the
same time they also sentenced themselves to an eternity of mediocrity as far as
their conference, and the college athletics world, is concerned. They simply
have to many negatives to ever be a true power in any major sport let alone
multiple major sports. But they had to do it, it was really the only
choice to make in my opinion.
Duckhunter,I agree with you on the point that Utah had to take the
Pac 12 offer when it came and would have no matter what the status of the MWC
was. My point was that Utah may not have gone looking so soon or courted the
Pac 12 so readily had Thompson been smarter about the TV deal. Consequently the
MWC may have remained a stronger conference and even gained stature.I have a question for you. Do you believe BYU would fair any better than Utah
in one of the Power 5 conferences? I maintain they wouldn't and there is
plenty of evidence to prove it. TCU who resoundingly trounced BYU a few times
in the MWC is struggling in the Big 12. Also, in head to head competition with
Utah over the past several years BYU has mostly been on par or worse than Utah.
That would suggest that BYU's sports programs are at best on par with Utah
and would be struggling as well.
@Mormon UteI doubt BYU would have done any better in football than
Utah has done to this point, probably about the same, but in basketball BYU
would have been far better than Utah has been, I don't think that can even
be questioned, and in the "other" sports I don't think there is
much question BYU would have been better, BYU is generally a top 25 overall
sports program and some of their minor sports are right at the top of collegiate
sports. So in that aspect I absolutely believe BYU would have faired
better, and would almost always get better results than Utah in almost
everything else. I believe BYU has some advantages Utah doesn't in most of
the minor sports, namely LDS athletes and international athletes, and their
results year in and year out, not just one or two years, shows it. Yes Utah would sometimes be better in some of those things, and is better in
some of them sometimes, but if you look at the overall histories between the
two, and overall nationally, youll see BYU has almost always been dominant in
the majority of them, and better on the national stage also.
@ BigCougarLook at the teams traveling to LES this year, and
especially in the next few years. It's not impressive, and it's going
to get worse.
@2ferActually you are wrong. This year is not bad no matter how much
utah "fans" like to try to claim it will be. It is certainly as good, or
better, than the mtn west schedule both schools used to play and since most of
the teams coming in are new to the stadium there is some real interest in seeing
most of them. Interest isn't just generated because the opponenent is top
10 or even top 25, there are other factors. Houston, Virginia and USU all hold
interest and will be fun to attend.In future years there are several
good opponents that we know are going to come to LES unless you don't
consider Notre Dame, USC, Stanford, Arizona, Boise, utah, Cincinnati, and other
similar teams "good" or "interesting".You know the
false narrative utah "fans" constantly try to pass off as reality should
embarrass you guys. BYU fans are aware that not every opponent coming to LES is
going to be ranked in the top 10, but then only 10 teams are ranked in the top
10 so trying to make act as if anything less is a "bad" opponent or
lacks interest is silly.
@ DuckhunterVirginia is interesting? To who? This year is bad, 2015
is worse, 2016 is.....awful.
BigCougarBountiful, UT@Tomahawk Red"Utah was chosen. BYU
was denied. Get over it."No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was
chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when
Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked
and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and
had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after
getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.----------And so I'll say again...Utah was
chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it.LOL!
@Tomahawk Redand so I'll say it again, the Pac12 chose Texas,
they were forced to settle for Utah instead. Get over it.LOL!!
@ BigCougarNobody here (except one notorious poster) is crazy enough
to think that Utah is a better catch than Texas. I'm just happy Utah is IN
@MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTYour perspective is so tainted
by the romance of the Conference of Champions that it ignores the below average
performance of utah. BYU is just fine thank you.
@2ferYes Virginia is interesting for multiple reasons. One is they
beat BYU last year so revenge is always interesting. Two is that I don't
think they have ever been to BYU before so seeing them there will be interesting
as well. Other interesting teams are coming, as I listed, it just doesn't
fit your false narrative to admit the truth of it.But then of course
there is always the fact that it neither concerns you nor does it affect you in
the least. You don't attend BYu games, you aren't a season ticket
holder, it really has nothing to do with you.I am a season ticket
holder, since 1980 to be exact, and I find it interesting and that is what
matters most.I can guaranty that if Virginia agreed to play at res
you would be interested in it. Ditto Cincy, or UConn. Aren't you finding
Fresno interesting this season? Of course you are and guess what, that makes you
a hypocrite. lol
BYU can't even think of being big time when they lost to a 2-win Virginia
team last year! They want to slam the Utes for being a bottom of the
barrel Pac 12 team, but the Utes are 4-0 against them in the last 4 years. BYU did achieve their goal of national exposure. Now they are exposed to
losing to big time schools on ESPN, not getting accepted to any power 5
conferences, and now their dirty laundry with a new scandal will soon be
ETUtah can only pretend to be big time after losing, AT HOME, to a
10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.btw, BYU did achieve their goal of national exposure by DESTROYING Texas in a
nationally televised game, rushing for 555 yards, the MOST rushing yards EVER
given up by Texas.btw2, BYU's "dirty laundry" will be
nothing more than players being allowed to sleep on a couch for a couple of days
until their dorm or apartment became available.