Published: Tuesday, May 20 2014 8:16 p.m. MDT
Can't get away from liberals.
They're talking about the same BYU that, from 1998 until this very moment,
is criticized and condemned by the American Association of University Professors
for infringement on academic freedoms. I had a good laugh when I read the
BYU: A beacon of liberal learning?Yeah, I don't think so...
'“In some ways, BYU was a profoundly illiberal place,” he says.
“And yet I was perfectly free to teach whatever I wanted in the classroom.
And I did. I taught large introductory lecture courses in ancient, medieval, and
modern political thought, including some of the most radical writings of Plato,
Machiavelli, Hobbes, Rousseau, and Marx.”'The only
universities where you *wouldn't* expect to see something like that would
be Liberty University or Bob Jones University.
Pretty weak responses. If you don't have an argument, try to laugh at the
other person. That garners support from equally weak-minded thinkers.
"BYU: A beacon of liberal learning?"Well THAT's an easy
question. Absolutely NOT! Just look at who they bring in for commencement
speeches. Dick Cheney? And Y officials claimed that their invitation to him to
speak should be viewed as "one extended to someone holding the high office
of vice president of the United States rather than to a partisan political
figure."Right. So any day now, they'll invite Joe Biden,
Al Gore, or Walter Mondale.The Y needs to get off the AAUP censure
list before even attempting to make a case that it even allows for liberal
THOUGHTs. But a "beacon" of liberal learning?No way.
He's right. Classic Liberalism is nothing like what is practiced by the
I'm as True BYU Blue as they come, but let's not make the place out to
be something it's not. There are definitely somewhat-left-of center
professors in places like poli sci department (where I majored), and I think
that many stereotypes of the campus are completely overblown. But there's
little doubt that the student body and the administration are overwhelmingly
conservative. As to Dick Cheney, I have from someone I trust that
he essentially invited himself to a "safe" commencement environment, and
while the university knew he'd be a polarizing figure, it respected the
office too much to decline the offer. I'm proud that some students took
the opportunity to disagree publicly with the invitation.And Harry
Reid spoke on campus a few years back. I think that's worth pointing out.
Could this professor teach from David Hume and his discussion on natural
There was a time when BYU was more receptive to liberal ideas than now. Or
really any time since about 1996.
@Naval Vet"Well THAT's an easy question. Absolutely NOT! Just
look at who they bring in for commencement speeches. Dick Cheney? "This isn't arguing about politically "liberal", but the
definition of liberal that involves open-mindedness (I totally worded that
poorly, but for the sake of amusing conservatives, I'm going to leave it
that way rather than fix it). Anyway, I don't think inviting Cheney is an
example against that.
In contrast to the political correctness that rules many so called
"liberal" universities, I find BYU to be quite refreshing. (The only
thing that doesn't fly there--nor should it--is hostility towards the LDS
church.) As a naive freshman at BYU, I was introduced to many
liberal philosophies that stirred some angst in my "good Mormon boy"
soul. I didn't adopt all those ideas as my own, but the internal debates
they produced have made all the difference. Upon reflection, I consider this
experience to be the hallmark of my education. It helped me to be a better
father, husband, church leader (and yes, republican). My liberal BYU education
has strengthened my faith and enabled me to better serve others. So
I applaud the article by Mr. Linker. True liberalism is to hear a wide variety
of viewpoints and carefully consider which to adopt as one's own. This
must be done in the full light of other Higher sources of truth--not just those
that are considered politically correct in the closed thought circles of the
left. This is the remarkable (and liberal) gift that BYU offers to
those who are willing to receive it.
Heh. The leftists here don't have a clue what a "Classical"
liberal education is. They think a liberal eduction is listening to Walter
Mondale? No wonder we are so messed up.A classical liberal
education involves the trivium at the pre college levels, and engaging with some
of the best minds--Plato, locke, Aristotle. Not stuff like "My adventures
as a female transsexual black gendered dwarf amputee" --surely what leftists
want us all to read instead. If you do not even know what a
classical liberal is versus today's leftist claptrap, then no wonder you
are snickering at the idea that BYU is a liberal school. But that speaks more
about you than it does about BYU.
Please . . . BYU has many unique virtues, but "beacon of liberal
education" is not one of them.
I think BYU is more liberal than people think but in reality it was more liberal
20 or so years ago than today. The faculty, especially was much more liberal
than present day and much more liberal than it students. As for BYU being
boycotted by some organization of professors, some might call this a badge of
honor. It seems that our liberal college campuses are anything but liberal
which strictly means to be more open-minded and tolerant. As a former BYU
student, I won't lie, most of the speakers say at your typical forum were
conservative. However, plenty political liberal speakers were invited to these
forums, much more than people think (and I hate people who never attended the
university offering opinions in which they have actual little factual
information). BYU (administrators nor students) didn't ban these speakers.
Unfortunately politically conservative speakers are being banned on many
campuses, being shouted down by intolerant students who in the end persuade
their weak-minded administrators to ban them. If this is what a so-called
"liberal education" is, I have serious issues with these universities
using the term "liberal education."
When did michael moore speak at the graduation?
I found it quite informative, and equally expected, that the knee-jerk reaction
on the part of many would be, "BYU liberal? No way." Those fell
obviously into the category of people who rarely get beyond a headline, and
quite decidedly fail to read the article.Some got it. Thank you
Howard Beal, Vanceone, AZKID, Schnee, etc. As for Naval Vet, ArgoFY, and those
others who never got that far, become a tad more "liberal" as defined by
the author, and take the time to actually read what he wrote rather than
commenting without knowledge!Having graduated from West Point, BYU,
and Harvard, it is ironic that the only one of these three where a dissenting
point of view could be voiced and responded to in a calm, considered manner, was
BYU. While there are decidedly more "conservative" voices at BYU than
"liberal" as defined on the political spectrum, the ability to converse
beyond the dictates of political correctness were decidedly more
"liberal" in the true definition of the word at the Y ... READ THE
I heard that BYU professors find the atmosphere at BYU surprisingly refreshing.
All points of view are welcome, which describes what a classical liberal
education should be.
Great posts by Common-Tater, AZKID, Schnee and a few others who understand the
differences in the use of the word liberal, and therefore exemplifying the idea
of liberal educations.It always amuses me to watch reactions to the
word liberal and particularly some of the comments on this story. There are
multiple meanings and uses of the word liberal, and yet too many immediately
jump to the conclusion that it MUST mean politics.If someone were to
say, "Give him a liberal helping of roast beef," I'm almost certain
that someone here would decry the evils of socialist meats.Saying
that BYU offers a true liberal education is, in fact, a compliment- not some
kind of political tag.
"The Y needs to get off the AAUP censure list before even attempting to make
a case that it even allows for liberal THOUGHTs. But a "beacon" of
liberal learning?"BYU wasn't remonstrated because of
limitations on academic freedom, but because in the view of the AAUP the
University's statement on academic freedom didn't adequately delineate
what the restrictions are and what effect they have on hiring and tenure
decisions. The AAUP recognizes that religious institutions have the right to
restrict expression directly contradicting their religious teachings. It's
important to read the report for what it says, not for what notoriously
hyper-partisan BYU haters like Naval Vet claim it says.I'm
genuinely puzzled when self-identified Mormons attack BYU for restricting voices
which directly attack or contradict LDS doctrine. I see no reason for the
university (and the tithing which supports it) to condone academic expressions
which run opposite to its religious mission.
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