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Published: Wednesday, May 21 2014 5:15 a.m. MDT

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GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

We obviously need to downsize the military, and we need to create much-needed jobs, and we need to build and refurbish infrastructure.

Obama's 2011 Jobs' Bill would have put MILLIONS of people back to work building infrastructure and working in support industries. Veterans leaving the military would have had jobs when they left the military.

But Republicans in Congress shot down Obama's 2011 Job's Bill, a bill, that if it had become law, would have caused the GDP to skyrocket and would have had this nation sitting pretty right now.

We obviously need to get rid of Republicans in Congress who can only obstruct and destroy.

Don Bugg
Prince Frederick, MD

I'm curious why GaryO says we "obviously" need to downsize the military but offers nothing to explain what makes his opinion so "obvious."

I've been in military service for over 14 years now, and I've watched downsizing after downsizing after downsizing, all while increasing the burdens and expectations placed on our people.

Now I, too, am about to face a reduction-in-force board that may take away my job and my future retirement, in a Department of Defense retirement system that gives me NOTHING if I don't manage to serve for at least 20 years. All my service so far could count for nothing.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

Welcome to the reality that the rest of us face in our careers.

ezrhino
Lehi, UT

GaryO, if you tone down your political agenda people might take your comment more serious.

I couldn't agree more with andyjaggy though. I know a lot of military people who can't cut it in the private sector so they stick with the "gubment" job (not all military people, just a few). And before you get all up in arms over my comment, I am very supportive of the military but lets at least be honest and say that there is an unfathomable amount of waste in there funded by hard working tax payers. Interestingly, if the government was a business they would have folded a long time ago. Not sure how that works..

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Don Bug -

“I'm curious why GaryO says we 'obviously' need to downsize the military but offers nothing to explain what makes his opinion so 'obvious.'”

Oh sorry, I thought it was common knowledge that we spend more money on the military than the next 8 highest spending nations combined.

Military retirement is especially an unnecessary money pit that should be addressed. We spend over 50 BILLION dollars alone every year on military pensions. That’s more than Canada spends on its entire military operations in one year.

Veterans can get jobs just like everyone else, don’t you think?

EZRhino –

You think I should “tone down [my] political agenda?” . . . so people can take me seriously?
What political agenda? . . . You mean my desire to see responsible governance implemented?

No . . . I don’t think I will.

And face it EZ, “Conservatives” for the most part are so out of touch with reality, their beliefs are usually false.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Gary O

And how much do you think this country spends on GOVERNMENT retirements? The cubicle workers who basically produce one mound of paperwork and shift it to the next desk to be shredded. If the U.S. spends too much on government, it starts first with the civilian sector, many of whom have GS jobs that pay much better than the civilian counterparts. At least the military is there to protect our nation. And maybe even help find some kidnapped school girls in Africa. We probably could reduce our civilian GS workforce by about 1/3 and not miss them at all. And I'll bet you are one of the people I'm talking about.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

SCFan,

You lost your bet. I'm a private sector guy.

You're right about government retirement. The Military is only part of the problem.

The Civil Service has great retirement options. As a matter of fact, a considerable number of vets become civil servants, and they can use BOTH their years in the military AND their years in civil service to count toward retirement.

While the private sector has been completely ELIMINATING pensions and even reducing 401K contributions, the US Government still provides high pensions and higher salaries for comparable jobs.

This is the reaons: Companies within the private sector compete with each other, and so they trim costs at every opportunity in order to be competitive. The public sector does not compete with anybody, and so there is no motivation for them to reduce high wages or high pensions.

The only motivator is the American people and their votes. And so far, people haven't cared much about the discrepancy between remuneration in the public and private sectors.

Most politicians don't want to bring up, because politicians, once elected, are also public sector employees.

Don Bugg
Prince Frederick, MD

AndyJaggy seems to think he's arguing with me. He isn't. I didn't say others weren't facing the same problems in the private sector. I said that it's not obvious we should continue "downsizing" our armed forces at a time when the burdens placed on military forces are as great as they've ever been.

GaryO seems to think the fact that the US spends more on its military forces than other countries makes it "obvious" we should be continuing to shrink them. It doesn't. He also seems to believe that keeping the nation's promises to its veterans is an "unnecessary money pit." It isn't. Finally, he seems to think that shortening my name to "Bug" is a great display of wit. It isn't.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Don Bugg -

"I, too, am about to face a reduction-in-force board that may take away my job and my future retirement" Welcome to the club. Downsizing happens a LOT in the private sector.

" . . . keeping the nation's promises to its veterans . . . "

The nation did not promise to carry you even if you are not needed.

Perhaps you're relying a little too heavily on government to take care of you.

Don Bugg
Prince Frederick, MD

This time it's GaryO who thinks he's arguing with me when he says that downsizing happens a lot in the private sector. If he really wants to argue that point, maybe he should find someone who's said it doesn't.

GaryO also misconstrues (perhaps intentionally) my comment about keeping the nation's promises to its veterans. I was referring, of course, to the nation's promises of retirement pensions for those whose careers involve putting themselves in harm's way so that GaryO can continue using his free speech rights to characterize military personnel as greedy leeches. When he describes the entire military pension system as an "unnecessary money pit," it looks to me like he's advocating a breaking of the nation's promises to those who have accepted the government's promise of pensions in return for careers that risk their lives.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Gary O

When you get the chance, (not here because your're out of posts) please explain why you believe that the continual running up debt is the right way for our economy to succeed. If that were the case, then our economy should be booming due to Obamas added 7 trillion. Even after all that "government spending" we are spinning our wheels. Even though you are way over the top on your dislike of conservatives, I think you are smart enough to see that the Big Government Spending Programs is NOT working to stimulate our economy. How can anyone not see that. If this were McCain, Romney or any other Republican President, I'd have to admit that "it just isn't working."

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

I know it's not popular, but if they're going to downsize the military, I wish they'd trim some of the benefits before letting people go entirely. I've gone to the base clinic without any copay when I could've well afforded one, and I get a lot of help paying for school; I'd give some of it to help keep another person in their position. TA is hard to cut because it's probably -the- biggest reason young people join, but I don't need as much as they give me.

Some of the work we do in the military seems quite justified in asking for what it does in long-term compensation, but I also wish we didn't get as much as we do. I don't like having to listen to people come to work in uniform, talk about how much they hate the military and be apathetic about everything, only to reap the rewards of uniformed service. Maybe if we cut some of the glitter, we could keep more people-and hopefully it'd be better, dedicated people who'd stay.

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