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Published: Monday, May 19 2014 4:10 p.m. MDT

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TOO
Sanpete, UT

Did anybody expect any differently? Everyone knew this was coming.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Justice is coming to the Rockies.

Utah doesn't know it yet, but it may become the Zion and the light to other states and eventually the world regarding families and the rights of individuals. No, I am not being sarcastic, I really believe that the blindness is being removed , now by legal force, but eventually will be embraced as the wisest decision.

Congratulations Utah!!!!

The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

This just makes me proud to be an American. Though it pales in comparison to what my gay brothers and sisters must be experiencing it feels like a breeze of fresh air rolling down from the mountain of justice and equality.

ThornBirds
St.George, Utah

"The Time Has Come Today", just as The Chamber's Brothers sang several decades ago!

postaledith
Freeland, WA

I am very delighted that justice and equality has finally come to the state of Utah. Now all that needs to be done is to lift the ban to marry altogether. Live and let live. It's a great way to live!

wjalden
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Yet another anti-democratic ruling handed down by yet another Carter/Clinton/Obama appointee. Funny how that works.

The court that overruled the voters of Michigan who outlawed affirmative action voted along straight party lines. Seven "justices" appointed by Clinton, Carter or Obama voted to strip Michigan voters of their right to outlaw affirmative action, along with one appointee who was forced on Bush by Michigan's two "Democratic" senators.

The word "democrat" is quite a fiction when it comes to describing the so-called Democratic Party.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Well Baccus0902 might have this partially right. Kind of condescending to say that "the blindness is being removed" though. That sort of rhetoric goes a long way toward building bridges that will need to be built when all this is settled (sarcasm here). He is correct in stating this is by "legal force" - certainly not by moral authority however. Abortion was "legally forced" upon the nation in Roe v Wade, but that certainly has not resulted in acceptance of that practice by hundreds of millions of Americans!. Abortion continues to divide America and always will. If same-sex marriage is legally forced upon Americans and it might be, it will result in the same kind of divisiveness in society and won't necessarily be the kind of world the gays are hoping for. A better approach would be to stop the gloating and mean spirited rhetoric and seek to find some common ground with the traditionalists IMO.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@wjalden:

Judge Kimball served as a Stake President and as a Regional Representative. I think it would be hard to paint him as anti-family. And I don't see how this ruling is anti-democratic. He was just applying the law.

sj
Spanish Fork, UT

WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

It won't be long now.

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

We are seeing 2 Nephi 26:22 in action: "he leadeth them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever". 20 years ago this would have been an April Fool's joke, but certain powers, some on this side of the veil, and some on the other have gradually upped the temperature, and we did not know when to jump. The time to jump and do something about it is now. We should start with our own families, make sure our house is in order, make sure our testimonies are firm, our faith is strong - that is the only way we can win against this.

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

Unless you are being forced to marry someone of the same sex against your will, then same-sex marriage is not being forced on you.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

Judge Kimball noted the 1892 case of "Tufts v Tufts" in which Utah Courts ruled that changes to divorce law could not be applied retroactively. He then states:

“Plaintiffs’ marriages were authorized by law at the time they occurred. The marriages were solemnized and valid under the existing law so that nothing remained to be done. No separate step can or must be taken after solemnization for the rights of a marriage to vest. Moreover, Plaintiffs began to exercise the rights associated with such valid marriages prior to the entry of the Supreme Court’s Stay Order. As in Tufts, therefore, the change in the law does not affect the vested rights associated with those marriages. The vested rights in Plaintiffs’ validly-entered marriages stand independent of the change in the law. For over a hundred years, the Tufts decision has never been called into question because it states a fundamental principle of basic fairness.”

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

@Sasha Pachev, twenty years ago the idea of a Mormon running for president would have been an April Fool's joke. But in 2012 we had one. What made the difference? Mormons "came out", and the "good Christians" who had demonized them gradually realized that they were ordinary people--just like them--who went to work, mowed their lawns, raised their children, paid their bills, served as the sewer commissioner or chaired the Rotary fundraiser--you get the idea. And although, to this day, there are sects of Christians who say vicious things about Mormons---kind of like some of the letter writers here refer to gays---a majority of people in the US have a favorable opinion of their LDS neighbors. As well they should. You can try your darndest to teach your prejudices to your children, but most of them will look around, see that gay families are an asset to the community, and reject the gays-are-evil doctrines.

Demiurge
San Diego, CA

You can't "win against this". All you can do, all anyone can do, is take care of yourself. If this isn't for you, don't do it.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

If the law should reflect the concept that any persons who love each other can marry, then why not first cousins, brothers and sisters, or even parents and children (assuming all are adults and there is no fertility)?

If the concept truly is that ANY adult can marry ANY other then why not? Tradition? Because we find it personally troubling? Many have forcefully argued that these do not matter. If they don't matter (and again, if there is no issue of fertility) then what is to restrain such from marrying if they choose?

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

The ongoing threat of Fire and Brimstone!
Here it comes, again.
Deja vu rhetoric, most recently heard in the civil rights movement of the 1960's

Really???
Kearns, UT

I am sorry that my choice of a marriage companion is being forced upon so many people who find my love offensive. The last thing I have ever wanted to do is make other people uncomfortable. In fact, I have always taken extreme precautions to make sure that my personal life remains private to avoid the scrutiny of others.

This issue, unfortunately, has forced me to actually speak up and finally be truthful about a most personal and often painful reality that I felt needed to be hidden for my safety and the comfort of others. Imagine how stressful this is for us. I am sure I am not the only one who has lost friends, been shunned at church, and become strangers in their own families.

The reality, my neighbors, is this issue of marriage equality is not about you. You aren't being forced to do anything other than accept that some of us love a little differently and want to share that love with the same legal protections that you have been so fortunate to have for generations.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Meckofahess
You wrote:
"Well Baccus0902 might have this partially right. Kind of condescending to say that "the blindness is being removed" though. That sort of rhetoric goes a long way toward building bridges that will need to be built when all this is settled (sarcasm here)."
"A better approach would be to stop the gloating and mean spirited rhetoric and seek to find some common ground with the traditionalists IMO."

Definition of Hypocrisy: "Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another" Wikipedia

Building bridges? Find common ground?
You have condemned us as abominations, sinners, perverts, pedophiles, etc. etc. How can you the righteous find common ground with us, second class Samaritans?

If you can build bridges and find common ground, please teach us the way, we can try once again. You are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, we would like to be accepted as part of your community.... as equals. Can you do that?

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Let's stop all the dancing around the issue. Christians and Mormons who oppose same sex marriage do so, not because it is better for children, but because they believe that their god will cease sustaining the "god-ordained" USA, and it will be cursed, like Sodom and Gomorrah.

There is no better example of the superstitious mindset at work than this. Rather than point out the absurdity of such thinking, however, let's go along with t for the sake of argument. Even IF a (vindictive) god was determined to curse and destroy a nation because it embraced marriage equality for all it's citizens, remember that the god who allegedly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah covenanted repeatedly NOT to destroy it if even TEN good people could be found there.

Now those same religious folks assure us that they are god's chosen, righteous people, and there are millions of them in the country!

So we are in no danger at all!

Relax and enjoy marriage equality!

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

This judge represents the true Mormon values taught so long ago in the early church. He is doing his duty to uphold the law! He is not imposing his beliefs upon anyone. He is honoring and obeying the law. He represents the best of Mormon behavior in word and deed! There are those here who will call him all sorts of names, but I call him honest and brave!

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