Published: Monday, May 19 2014 10:56 a.m. MDT
This is perhaps the most correct letter to appear in this paper in a long time.
The principles of responsibility and self reliance are largely ignored in
today's society. Unfortunately, the current left leaning
administration is affirmatively creating a lazy and envious society.
Specifically, it has created a culture of entitlement in which the masses have
no incentive to act responsibly. The masses feel that simply because they exist,
the government is required to satisfy their every want and need. The masses
cannot stand the fact that those who work hard are better off.We
must return to the principle that a man must work for his bread, and if he will
not work, he will not eat. That is the way to instill a sense of financial
responsibility and reduce envy.
We tend to give those at 'the top' too many breaks, the rationale
being we'll be among them someday. We won't.
I would have a better time believing Patti if I wasn't everything Patti
said :Middle Age white guy, College educated, LDS
returned Missionary, USAF veteran, 30 year Aerospace engineer, married 30 years, 4 kids (2 LDS Missions, 2 Temple married, 3rd Mission
Prep, 4th High School), always active in Church, always working for the
man. I lost over $500K, my life's savings, and retirement in
the Bush economy- Housing Meltdown.BUT -- WallStreet, Bank of
America, and all the rest of Corporate America who got a "free hand out"
fromt he Government, is making insane record level profits with MY hard work
and investments.Your example therefore -- FAILED.
Contrary to the popular myth there is not a culture of entitlement and
dependency. I'm still surprised that this story, which is demonstrably
false, has been so successfully sold to America. What has developed in this
country is sense of defeatism. A sense that no matter how hard one works there
is no hope, no way out. The vast majority of Americans, even those getting forms
of welfare, are hard working people who would love to make a better life for
themselves. Sadly most lack the ability to get the training or education they
would need to do that. Sure there are those that scam the system but that's
not a reason to cut off everyone else.Meanwhile we have corporations
getting billions in government aid. An insurance system with legal protection
against anti-trust laws. A banking system that knows it can do whatever it
wants, even flout it's ability to cheat and defraud the American public and
get away with it. The right and the left were very successful at distracting
people that we missed them turning the country into an oligarchy.
To "Open Minded Mormon" yes, the US failed when it bailed out the banks.
However, you have made it quite clear that you want to give the government more
power so that they can control the economy that much more. If you thought
losing $500,000 was bad under Bush, wait until the government decides that they
need the rest of your retirement savings to pay for Obamacare and Social
You nailed it Patti but don't expect liberals to agree! They have succeeded
in electing "leaders" who force some Americans to work for that which
they will not receive so other Americans can receive what they did not work for.
In America we used to call that slavery but liberal Democrats call it
Hooray for President Obama!There is a kiosk in the Smithsonian
American History Museum where you can vote for "America's Most
Effective President"and guess who has a commanding second place behind
another great Democrat Franklin Roosevelt??? Go ahead, guess.I love
this President and apparently a lot of other people outside the Zion Curtain do
too.Looking forward to 2016 and the next election.
@embarrassed Utahn"guess who has a commanding second place behind
another great Democrat Franklin Roosevelt??? Go ahead, guess."Since you asked, Obama. It shouldn't be Obama though. He only scores that
high because of recency bias. I'd think he should be somewhere in the
The problem is that middle income people like me are under attack by the super
wealthy. I'm perfectly content to be in the middle, but if trends continue
I will be forced into the kind of poverty which used to bedevil seniors. Super
wealthy interests, exemplified by the Koch Brothers, are trashing pensions and
advocate for the elimination of social security and medicare. These are
benefits which we seniors have earned. I will not stand by and have my future
destroyed. I will speak out. This is not envy! It is self-protection.
Marxist. Please explain how 'rich' people are attacking you! How are
they eliminating your SS or any other benefit you feel you have earned? Obama is
your biggest threat. He has turned this once great united nation into groups of
competing minorities who like suckling pigs are all fighting among themselves
lest they lose their places on the government teats!
Re: Mountanman "Please explain how 'rich' people are attacking
you! " I think I did. To quote myself:"Super wealthy
interests, exemplified by the Koch Brothers, are trashing pensions and advocate
for the elimination of social security and medicare."
Also, that the distribution of wealth is top heavy is not the point. This has
always been the case. What is amazing at the present time is how positively
ENORMOUSLY top heavy it is. I don't think you tea party types comprehend
Must be a pretty slow day for letters."Most people do not make
it to the top. If they did, there would be no top. . . . If the bottom can make
it to the middle, that is a really good thing."But by the
writer's own logic, there's not enough room in the middle for those on
the bottom. If there were, then there would be no middle.This is a
silly argument. There are always a top, middle, and bottom. These are relative
terms. The problem today is that the playing field is slanted so that the few on
the top have most of the money roll their way. Think of it as reverse gravity.
Those on the bottom are losing wealth and opportunity fast. Those in the middle
too. Yes, some will move up or down, but it is getting harder to move up. The game is rigged. It's like the NBA giving Tim Duncan (and only
Tim Duncan) a broom to swat shots with or making everyone else shoot
blindfolded. If we want a better, more humane society, we need to change a few
Ok, Marxist please explain how the Koch Brothers are trashing your pension! Was
it that they donated money to conservative political candidates? What about
those evil rich people who donate to the Democrats? Are they trashing your
pension too? What you may not comprehend is what is really trashing your pension
is the government printing money out of nowhere, out of control spending and
borrowing which is devaluing the dollar! By the way, I am not a tea party type
but I know the liberal Democrats have it all wrong and at least some of the TEA
party values are our only hope!
I agree with the letter writer. We need to get beyond jealousy and envy. This is
part of the class warfare that is pushed by the left. Individuals who are doing
pretty good start to believe otherwise because they are told how much more
others have and that it is unfair that others are "so much better off".
Unfortunately you could bring everyone in this country up to the
upper middle class standard of living, but if you elevated the rich by a
proportional amount, many people, at the urging of the left, would still think
themselves poor because of the "evil" income gap. I call it
Economic Relativism: many people will consider themselves poor regardless of
what they have as long as others have a lot more than them. FYI,
pensions were trashed by themselves. They are unsustainable, and driving
businesses and governments into bankruptcy. Every major city going broke is
doing so because of guaranteed benefit pensions.OMM- I believe it
was Obama who advocated to bail out GM, one of the largest businesses in the
world. The most conservative Republicans, like myself, opposed TARP. "Too
Big To Fail" is a liberal mantra, not conservative.
Mtnman:Yes, and I'm sure Obama is responsible for global
warming, grade inflation, the kidnapping of 300 Nigerian schoolgirls, the
Japanese tsunami, Typhoon Haiyan, GM's quality problems, MERS, the capsized
Korean ferry, and toenail fungus. Probably everything else too. Never seen such
a sad bunch of whiners who can't come up with any constructive ideas as the
tea party and its little sister, the GOP.
What breaks?They already over 70% of the individual income taxes.Open minded/airnaut,Sorry you spent more than your house was worth.
Sorry you invested poorly. I know, it’s easy to blame someone else when
you make a poor decision. That danged bush!!!!Wall street got a free
hand-out from the government? Too much MNSBC for you! Commercial banks paid
very high dividend rates on the preferred stock the government bought from them
and the treasury actually made money – we’d have made more if
geithner had not sold out too soon.Your accusation? FAILED!Embarrassed,That kiosk? Yep, unemployed folks lining up to push the BO
button. In a few years, he will slip down down down. It’s just a
popularity poll for those who see it, nothing objective to it at all.Marxist,Trashing pensions, really? No, it’s a dem plan pushed by
the unions to rob IRAs and KEOUGHs to pay busted union defined benefit plans.
TOO MUCH MSNBC FOR YOU!!Ford DeTreeseWhat??? Where did you
come up with that? Typical lib, make a straw argument when you have no cogent
Kora,Who is jealous, who is envious? Why are the ultra rich and
their advocates so sensitive? It must be really tough to be a rich person (oops
I guess that makes me jealous and envious). Speaking as someone who works 60+
hours a week to remain in the middle class, I am perfectly happy with my place
in life. I am not jealous nor do I envy the wealthy. I have earned what I have
and I am fine with that. Under President Ronald Reagan (whom I
voted for twice) we established "trickle down" economic policies, with
the idea that by lowering the taxes on the ultra rich all would benefit through
the trickle down effect. In 1980 I believed that would happen. We have thirty
years of evidence to show that it did not and is not happening. I believe that
President Reagan himself if he were alive today would say it was a failure.
That model has tipped the wealth even farther to the richest of the rich. Sorry
but that is not good for the country. We need a new plan, one that gives the
wealthy tax breaks for creating jobs, not just for being wealthy.
embarrassed Utahn!Re: "Hooray for President Obama!"...
"America's Most Effective President"... "I love this
President".... "Looking forward to 2016"...The Obama
Worship is well noted. But you know he will be out of office in 2016... right?
So why are YOU looking forward to 2016? I know why I am looking forward to
2016, but I don't see why an Obama worshiper would be looking forward to
him being out...====@Marxist,Re: "the Koch
Brothers, are trashing pensions"...How in the world are the Koch
Brothers trashing pensions? By donating to political campaigns??If
they trash pensions by contributing to political campaigns... did the people who
contributed to Obama's political campaign trash MY pension??Most of the recent recession happened when Obama was President. And he voted
for TARP and the other bailout stuff that happened when Bush was President...
And his party setup the Mortgage Bubble (which caused the recession).====Re: The rest of the letters that showed a distinct jealousy
complex (the system is rigged for the rich, etc, etc, etc)... that's just
bunk. Look at how many people have made it in the USA... was Bill Gates born
Ford DeTreese You might recall that Obama, in his first inaugural
address, promised to heal the planet. It seems to me that he claimed
responsibility for all those things himself. I am still waiting for
holy Obama to make good on curing my toenail fungus, but I can afford to wait.
The girls being held by Islamist Extremists can't wait for him to talk nice
to the terrorists. They are already being ravaged.
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