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Published: Monday, May 19 2014 8:51 p.m. MDT

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Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Forget about being feminine, just being an honorable human being is a disadvantage in today's political environment.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It doesn't have to be a negative (as long as you don't take it to the extreme).

Being overly masculine or feminine can be a negative (IF you take to the extreme).

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Both feminine and masculine are good and needed. But if you become an extremist about either... it can become a negative.

Just as being overly macho and denigrating anything feminine is a negative. Becoming a femi-nazi can also be negative.

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I like women in politics... but I don't like femi-nazis in government. Just my opinion.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

A friend of mine did an experiment (if you can call it that) a few years ago. He and several other people of both genders went through the votes guide and identified the most attractive candidates based on the photo in the guide.

In 80% of the cases the most attractive candidate won. Well known incumbents tended to be the exceptions.

More attractive people also tend to be paid more.

A conservative family based life style enhances a woman's appearance.
A hard life style impacts ones appearance.

Feminists tend to lead a hard life style and they also tend to be left of center politically.
Feminism is also grievance based. They feel discriminated against, and this leads to anger. Angry is not pretty.

Kinda self evident in my book.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

“if the leadership of the GOP is consciously or unconsciously putting forward or promoting only the most feminine... No, it’s the party members, not the leader, except in Utah where the leadership controls who runs via the caucus system.

MSNBC’s writer.. Stop, no need to read further, you know it is biased against the GOP coming from MSNBC.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Both feminine and masculine are good and needed. But if you become an extremist about either... it can become a negative."

You might want to send this thought to Fox News. It looks like a nightclub on Saturday night.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

In other words, if you're a woman with some degree of sex appeal, you have a better chance of getting elected to office in a red state compared to a woman with little, if any, sex appeal.

Whatever degree of truth there is in this study, it's pretty sad if people would vote for a candidate based more on their looks than their political ideas.

Sven
Morgan, UT

This article/report was hilarious for more than one reason. I’m still laughing while typing this. You just can’t make this stuff up.

“‘Prior research reveals that women are viewed as either feminine or competent — but rarely both,’ said Johnson in a 2012 letter to the editor. ‘If the leadership of the G.O.P. is consciously or unconsciously putting forward and promoting only the most feminine of lawmakers, it is unwittingly undermining its political agenda. That’s no trivial matter.’”

So let me see if I get this…because the GOP has more attractive females than the Democrat Party, this is somehow a negative for the Republican Party? Some study revealed that women can’t be both feminine and competent…really? Hillary Clinton and Democrat Rep. Rosa DeLauro were able to be both.

The only Party that’s waged a real “war on women” is the Democrat Party:

* Obama paying his female WH Staffers 14-18% less than male WH Staff

* Liberal icon NYTs firing executive, Jill Abramson, because she demanded the same pay that her male counterparts made.

* Bill Clinton‘s disgraceful treatment of women...all but ignored by Liberal Democrats!

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

We live in a society which is bombarded by messages in entertainment media which promulgate the idea that the physical appearance is all that matters.

The truth is that what really matters is the candidate's principles. Looks mean nothing compared to the danger of left-wing policies.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@The Rock
"In 80% of the cases the most attractive candidate won. Well known incumbents tended to be the exceptions.

If that is true...

"A conservative family based life style enhances a woman's appearance."

...and that is true...

"Feminists tend to lead a hard life style and they also tend to be left of center politically.
Feminism is also grievance based. They feel discriminated against, and this leads to anger. Angry is not pretty."

...and that is true... then why is the Democratic party seeing such massive gains in elected women compared to the Republican party?

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Feminism is grievance based." Actually feminism is the radical notion that women are people.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I can hear it all now! If you disagree with a liberal woman, you are therefore a sexist according to liberals. If you disagree with a conservative woman, you are only exercising your free speech. Don't believe it? Wait until Hillary runs!

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@GZE 12:43 p.m. May 19, 2014

"Feminism is grievance based." Actually feminism is the radical notion that women are people.

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Not just that we're people -- that we are (gasp) equal legally in every way to men. That we aren't second-class citizens legally. Shocking idea, I know. I grew up in a world where those idea weren't recognized. It wasn't fun.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Beauty is in the smile. If Republican candidates are more attractive, it is because they have more in their hearts to smile about.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Furry,
you've got it all wrong - any liberal can tell you the secret code. I'm sure you already know it. liberal women are more equal than conservative women. Just ask bill maher how he refers to conservative women and their daughters. ask ANY liberal how conservative women should be treated relative to liberal women.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Like 2 Bits commented... everything in extreme gets the skeptical treatment. "Just a pretty face" equally applies to males and females alike. We have known more than a few, both male and female, that have taken advantage of their looks to get ahead.

But I would say in the ever so image conscience world we live in, image does have greater impact with women, for better and worst. Is it fair, no. Does it happen, yes. But our society is so ruthlessly image conscience, nothing surprises me.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re: "Actually feminism is the radical notion that women are people".

Feminism is the notion that women are people. But for SOME people it can easily slip past that into the radical notion that "Women are superior to men" (and it has for some people). There are people who think every position would be better filled by a woman (that's the opinion of the Femi-Nazis).

Fact is... in most JOBS your gender doesn't matter one iota. And pay should be fair/equal, but how to you define "Fair" for all people. Fair from who's perspective, the employer or the employee's point of view? Or do we let the Government define "fair" (from their point of view). How do you prove that ANY two individuals are equal (in performance) or prove they both deserve the same pay (because the government said so, not because the employee's manager said so)?

Putting the government in the role of salary police... not a good idea (IMO)...

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

lost in DC: "MSNBC’s writer.. Stop, no need to read further, you know it is biased against the GOP coming from MSNBC."

Well, except that the statement you quoted was not made by the MSNBC writer (Jane Timm) but by UCLA researcher Kerri Johnson. The statements by each were clearly attributed, in separate paragraphs, and linked to their sources. Please, try not to let your prejudices get in the way of your reading comprehension.

BTW, Timm's statistics on representation quoted in the article are factual and readily verifiable (all you have to do is count) and hard to attribute to political bias. Her interpretation might be, though.

HelioTeller
Mapleton, UT

This thread is why we need feminism.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"Feminine women" do better in Republican states.

Well, yes, that's because Republicans are much more superficial than Democrats.

Democrats look for competence. Republicans vote for an image consistent with Republican values. For Republicans, the perfect woman politician is physically attractive but not too smart, and will carry the Party standard without question.

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman are physically attractive women, but neither has much upstairs. Their minds are at least as propagandized and even less informed than the minds of male Tea Party politicians.

And contrast the cute but blissfully unaware blondes on FOX "NEWS" with the likes of the very competent Candy Crowley on CNN.

For Republicans, life is about image, not substance . . . and thus "femininity" is a more important quality in a female politician than an ability to actually do useful work for the nation.

Mormon Book Worm
----------, UT

To me, this whole article is plain confusing and frankly, doesn't make any good sense. I really don't think it was necessary to pick at women's looks then throw it into politics somehow.

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