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Published: Sunday, May 18 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Belief is only something I can count on or depend on. The wind won't blow and the sun doesn't shine all the time. The thing that I do believe is the preconceived closed mind s of people.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

What I don't understand is what's so great about our fossil fuel dependency status quo? It pollutes our air and water, it creates yo-yo pricing and economic shocks in our economy with every global political hiccup (e.g., think Putin's gas and take over of Ukraine), it guzzles water, traps miners underground, it funds terrorism and forces us into Mideast wars (e.g., first Iraqi war), etc.

Renewable energy (such as wind and solar) is clean, is price stable, doesn't consume precious water, poses generally safer work conditions, creates domestic jobs in manufacturing and installation, and pours its economic benefits into rural, agricultural communities... and no military is needed to secure it! What's wrong with that?

Many red states, including Iowa, Kansas, Texas, and others see renewable energy's economic benefits... conservatives, we should be following their lead... not defending the Koch brothers and dirty energy!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Yes Steve,
pollution is like peeing in a pool.

And if everyone keeps breaking the rules, then NOBODY is happy,
even the guys responsible for doing it.

And good put about 3rd world countries.

For Americans to keep burning at rate 10 times the rest of the them,
How can we be the envy of the world,
and expect India and China - with a population 8 tomes ours -
to quietly sit on the side lines wanting in,
and NOT SHOW them a better way?!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

There are some fine exceptions to the generalisation, but really it's not going to happen here. You'll see it in the posts today.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Steve is correct: America is the greatest country on Earth. It is time we start acting like it.

America should be the leader, as Steve asserted. Unfortunately, the current left-wing administration is too weak and afraid to lead. Indeed, it is so afraid of doing anything that might violate notions of political correctness, that it's default position is to do nothing.

The American people must do what is right, even it means that they must be the leaders, rather than the government. Thomas F. Meagher once said that "If the American government ever abdicates its duty to lead, the American people must take up the banner of leadership!"

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Germany, a country that is much smaller than ours, and which receives far less sunlight, is currently generating 3.5 times more energy from the sun than we are.

higv
Dietrich, ID

We did not create the climate cannot control it. Been record cold in many places. Besides warm weather more pleasant than cold weather. Just a way to use what we can't control to control what we do.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There are those who claim that the earth is getting warmer, even though data shows otherwise. There are those in the "warming" group who have stopped using "global warming" and resort to "global change". In other words, since facts dispute their core argument, the change their core argument.

I often drive past the large windmill generators in the mouth of Spanish Fork Canyon. More than half the time, they are not turning and they are not generating electricity. Several neighbors have installed solar panels on their homes. They all have computers connected to those panels to record the amount of electricity generated. ALL of them are disappointed with the results. Those panels are not generating as much electricity as promised. At the rate that those panels generate electricity, those panels will never pay for themselves before they need to be replaced.

Yes, we can change "habits". Yes, we can landscape with plants that require little water. Yes, we can drive fuel efficient cars. No, we cannot change the climate.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@higv
Acid rain, air pollution, ozone hole...we've had a lot of influence from things we've thrown into the air over the last couple centuries. California and Arizona have their warmest Jan-April on record so far this year (while Michigan and Wisconsin have their 3rd coolest, globally it's around a top 10 warmest January-April).

It's not as simple as just saying warm weather (and either way I prefer colder weather). If sea level rises just a few feet that'll displace millions of people globally. Increasing ocean acidification, melting glaciers, and sometimes warmer isn't better if it turns Spain into something closer to Morocco for climate.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

To Roland Kayser's point, Germany's is now getting over 50% of their energy needs from renewables. Hmm, I wonder why we can't? Do you think it's because we've sold our country to the 1% or what?

RightWingNut
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I assume you know a lot about global warming. How much has it warmed in the last 20 yrs? When in the earth's history did the climate not change? What perfect/ideal climate are you comparing our current climate to? When did that climate exist? How far have we deviated from that ideal climate? How long have humans been causing harm to the climate? Were there any changes in climate before humans? If humans stopped doing all the "bad" things they are doing to the climate, what would happen to the climate?

I am civil. Would love to have a discussion in a calm manner. But it seems if you bring up logical rational questions to this movement you are immediately marginalized and labeled anti science and a "denier." This is generally from those who believe to be very tolerant.

Look, I don't believe in this. IMO it is the biggest power grab hoax EVER perpetrated on mankind. It is a mixture of personal ambition, bad science, politics and bias. There are bad people in government who have made millions on this scheme and at the end of the day want control of more of your life.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

We all live in a greenhouse. We are filling that greenhouse with toxic vapors. Eventually, we will choke. Everyone knows that, except the conservatives among us who are all for increasing the output of toxic vapors. It's a form of insanity.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could make a smoking room like they have at the SL Airport and make all the conservatives stay in it so the rest of us could breathe?

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

OK, deniers --

All "Global Warming" aside,

Why is energy independence BAD, or Wrong?
Why is green, clean and renewable energy BAD, or Wrong?
Why is an infinite energy supply BAD, or Wrong?
Why is building a better world and future for our posterity BAD, or Wrong?

Seriously, If you can't see that,
Then yours is nothing more than a one-sided, biased, political rant.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

There appear to be only two options for climate change not to be correct. Either the super simple solutions everybody offers on comment boards like this are totally overlooked by the actual scientists because they are idiots or the scientists are controlled by a vast conspiracy.

I know some folks who work in scientific fields (some related to climate). They seem bright and honest to me. Also, it seems unlikely they would miss simple things that non-scientists know and can roll off their tongues.

That leaves us with a conspiracy. But I see no viable examples of vast conspiracies where folks are not breaking with the pack like it is going out of style. Stalin had the gulags. Yet there was Soljenitsin and thousands of others. The Mafia kills folks who squeal, yet there is a long list who have testified against the Mafia. These folks risk their lives to report the truth yet we are supposed to believe that scientists (who are incredibly independent in my experience) across all kinds of ethnic, cultural, language and other borders are controlled and virtually none break with the pack?

It doesn't wash.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The world wants, needs and is waiting for American leadership on global warming."

No, it isn't.

The world is waiting to snap up any fossil fuels we don't use, step in and produce any saleable products we refuse to produce, and walk all over us and any weaker neighbor nations, as we intentionally make our economy and our military weak.

The callow, unsupportable notion of a world anxious to hold hands with America and sing kumbaya as we slide into another dark age, is just the latest dangerous leftist fiction.

Will we eventually develop better energy sources that have less impact on the earth? Sure. But, we're not there yet [BTW, Germany doesn't produce more than half its power from renewable resources -- fission-based nuclear energy is considered a finite, mineral fuel]. And, when we do get there, market forces will anoint winners and consign losers to the ash heap of history.

Corrupt political leaders shouldn't be pretending to outthink the much smarter invisible hand.

In the meantime, a dangerous centrally-planned energy-industry restructure, addressing effects too nuanced to reliably measure, is madness.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@Mike Richards:

I have rooftop solar panels, and I am not disappointed at all. The last two months I have generated more electricity than my home used. I'm also very happy with my Camry hybrid, which gets more than 40 miles to the gallon on average.

The terms "climate change" and "global warming" are both used in the scientific literature and mean different things. "Global warming" refers to the long-term trend of a rising average global temperature."Climate change" , refers to the changes in the global climate which result from the increasing average global temperature.

Both terms have been used for decades.

Of course we can change the climate. We've been changing it for a long time. Admittedly, it will be more difficult to undo the changes we have made, but perhaps we can change the trajectory.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Show me one piece of solid evidence (not a model) that CO2 is the culprit behind anything weather-related on Earth today, and I might consider CO2 reductions.

Oh, you can't? I didn't think so. Neither can the experts.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ thinkin man

Apparently you've never heard of the planet called Venus.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Problem is... we can't do ANYTHING until the Legislature tells us to...

RightWingNut
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Once again. What is an ideal climate? Did it exist 100, 1000, 2000, 5000 years ago? How do you know we don't need to warm up to get there? How do you know we need to cool down to get there? Who decided what is the "ideal" we are comparing our current climate too?

How many severe storms are considered acceptable? Hurricanes? Tornadoes? Floods? Droughts? They are always occurring? So how many can happen without people saying the sky is falling?

So many of you know SO much about this. Please enlighten me.

Who do you think would get more government grant money????????.....A Scientist trying to prove "climate change/disruption." B Scientist trying to prove that this is a hoax. Follow the money.

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