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Published: Thursday, May 15 2014 5:20 p.m. MDT

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Utes11
Salt Lake City, Utah

FSU, Clemson, and GT, are waiting to see how Maryland's court battle with the ACC plays out. Remember FSU voted against the ACC increasing it's exit fee. IF the court's rule that Maryland doesn't have to pay the entire exit fee , and set a precedent, those ACC school's board's will meet to explore moving. the Big 12 has it;s sights ( and expectations) set way higher than BYU and Cincy! And don't forget the Big 12 conference Bball championship, baseball championship, track and field finals, and soccer championship are all played on Sunday. Why deal with the hassle of having to move/ reschedule those events when you can bring in 2 schools that bring more to the table and don't have special needs?

evansrichdm
west jordan , UT

I think this will effect the players and they should go in to every game with a clip on their shoulders and just best the stuffing out of every team. If BYU beat TX again this year the nation will once again take notice.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

I think that the scariest part of this scenario comes from the backside. As elite conferences begin to regard BYU as a mid major, rather than a P5 opponent, the thinking will be, "I when we have a mid major to play! we want a win. Let's play a local mid major rather than a tougher mid major like BYU." True, Utah will continue to schedule BYU, but they will probably not do so on a regular basis and will play USU as their mid major gimme in years to come. BYU should simply run, not walk to any conference that will accept them at this point. They are simply not turning out to be the Notre Dame of the Rockies, as anticipated. While Utah's journey into the mighty Pac 12 has been daunting, difficult and as challenging as anyone with any sense could have predicted, it has also been a beautiful thing and Ute fans cherish their Conference of Champions membership. Truthfully, can any good BYU fan say that they cherish their mid major Independence status, or their WCC high school gym basketball status?

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

Let's all not forget that BYU put itself in this precarious situation when they went independent.

If they would have stayed in the MWC they would be in a better position. The Mountain West renegotiated its TV contracts and dumped the MTN and signed on to ESPN. The highest ranked mid-major conference champion is guaranteed a berth in the Fiesta Bowl. Meaning BYU has a better chance to get into one of the Big 6 bowl games. If BYU goes undefeated one season and Boise State is ranked ahead of them with one loss. The Fiesta Bowl will take Boise State over BYU. The Mountain West now has greater relevance than BYU as an Independent. But neither the Mountain West or BYU as an independent will ever make the playoff which is pretty much guaranteed to the four teams from power conferences.

BYU should either find a way to get into the Big 12 or swallow your pride and get back into the MWC. Independence will ruin your football!

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Flashback

What? Utah has played Pitt three times in the last nine seasons and beaten them all three times.

UTE88
Sandy, UT

I am an old school Utah fan which means in part I get no pleasure seeing BYU struggle with independence or anything else except beating Utah. I am also a Mormon. Its troubling to me to see two bible belt conferences exclude BYU.

While it makes no sense logically, if the mind set is that Mormon's are not christian (which is common in the bible belt) then its easy to see why there is this exclusion.

I see this as religious bigotry plane and simple.

Go UTES

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

xert
Santa Monica, CA

"While Utah's journey into the mighty Pac 12 has been daunting, difficult and as challenging as anyone with any sense could have predicted, it has also been a beautiful thing and Ute fans cherish their Conference of Champions membership."

Thank you. Yes, we do cherish our membership in the Pac-12. Anything, as they say, worth having is worth working for. There is still much work to be done but what a fantastic journey it is. The irony in all of this is that the foundation for inclusion in the elite conference began decades ago when state leadership put an emphasis on building robust academic programs, a world class medical school, and a nationally recognized research infrastructure ahead of sports. When the sports programs surged over the last 15-20 years the University of Utah became an attractive target as a member of the elite.

Rather than laying out a case for entitlements and asking for a hand out, the University of Utah worked its way to top.

Utes11
Salt Lake City, Utah

BYU's best bet for the future is to go back to the MWC, with hat in hand, and ask to please get in. THEN they can challenge the top programs in that conference to raise the commitment level ( translate as "money spent on football") THEN the undefeated winner of that conference would make it in to the playoff system. AF,Fresno State, SD State, and Boise, could all build strong programs. The MW conference could supplant the ACC or at least be on par with them. Again, Look at ACC Football after FSU and Clemson leave for the Big 12.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah
Let's all not forget that BYU put itself in this precarious situation when they went independent.

If they would have stayed in the MWC they would be in a better position. The Mountain West renegotiated its TV contracts and dumped the MTN and signed on to ESPN. The highest ranked mid-major conference champion is guaranteed a berth in the Fiesta Bowl. Meaning BYU has a better chance to get into one of the Big 6 bowl games. If BYU goes undefeated one season and Boise State is ranked ahead of them with one loss. The Fiesta Bowl will take Boise State over BYU. The Mountain West now has greater relevance than BYU as an Independent. But neither the Mountain West or BYU as an independent will ever make the playoff which is pretty much guaranteed to the four teams from power conferences.

BYU should either find a way to get into the Big 12 or swallow your pride and get back into the MWC. Independence will ruin your football!

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The MWC also has a TV deal with Fox Sports.

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

It's ironic that U fans have so much advice to give BYU about joining a conference when its own athletic program has actually declined since joining a "power conference." Utah's chances of making a NC football playoff are greatly diminished as an "insider," as opposed to the BCS busters they once were. Prediction: In five years, Bronco Mendenhall, Dave Rose, and Tom Holmoe will still have their jobs, whereas Kyle Whittingham, Larry Krystowiak, and Chris Hill will all have lost theirs. Then you can all tell us how that "power conference membership" thing is working out for you.

I care not one "whit" (pun intended) about football championships. BYU could never recruit at that level without having a team full of unruly boys, and it's hard enough to try to keep the ones they have in line. Schedule as well as you can, put your games on TV, build the fan base, and further the church's mission.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

I'll add this, in the end, what byu fan believes is their entitlement, means zero in how this plays out. Furthermore, any talk of "overall resume" is irrelevant, since byu accumulated the meat of it 30+ years ago. Utterly irrelevant. Personally, I think back to the smug/arrogant/unChristlike behavior exhibited way back then, as they engaged in embarrassingly bully-like tactics in their routine attempt to taunt and point finger and generally exist w/in a state of relatively short-lived "superiority" and feeling "untouchable", resulting from pervasive self-delusion.

Karma is alive and well and I for one am enjoying every second of it. There's a steep-price to be paid for those in life who allow themselves to unjustifiably become all puffed-up in their very own self-created/deliberately nurtured pride. Essentially, byu's currently right now merely one step removed from being locked-out of the Big Boy Table for eternity. I pray it happens w/unequivocation!

p.s. I recall a while back learning of a General Authority addressing this very point, entitled something like, "Checking one's religion at the gate". He called it in this warning, now didn't he?

Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

Utah has gotten better in the last three years despite the fact that their record doesn't show it.

Three years ago Utah had a 4-5 conference record. That included a loss to Colorado and curb stompings by Washington, Cal, and Arizona State.

Last year Utah had a 2-7 conference record. That included wins over ranked Stanford and bottom-dweller Colorado. The losses were: a one point loss to ranked Arizona State, a loss to ranked UCLA by a touchdown, a loss to Arizona and to USC when their starting quarterback was injured, and a loss to Oregon that was a close game into the fourth quarter. Not to mention a loss to Oregon State also by a touchdown.

If BYU were to join the Big 12 (a good thing by the way) they would be suffering the same growing pains as Utah. If BYU had a consistent schedule like the one they had last year, the same growing pains would result. But it would make the program grow.

Carson
Provo, UT

AZUTE1 has hit thew nail right on the head! Every Dog has it's day and now BYU is going to get their much deserved turn.

King James Version
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:3

Colo. Aggie
Loveland, CO

I never thought that BYU going independent was a good idea. I think events are starting to prove that out. First of all, they hurt their great Olympic sports programs by going to the WCC. Second, they have really set up a scheduling nightmare for football, and this is getting worse. BYU should really consider coming back to the MWC for all sports except football. They could become the 12th member of the MWC for these sports. This would greatly improve the competition for basketball and several Olympic sports. Football should then arrange a scheduling agreement with the MWC for 5 games a year. This could give them better teams to play in November. This would be the similar t what ND did in the ACC. It seems like this action would really shore up the situation they have gotten themselves into

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

evansrichdm
west jordan , UT
I think this will effect the players and they should go in to every game with a clip on their shoulders and just best the stuffing out of every team. If BYU beat TX again this year the nation will once again take notice.

__________

Yes the nation once again will take notice. Not because of a BYU victory. National interest is and would be in a Texas defeat. Deeper pockets, non folklore football history, and real recognition will always come out on top. Win or lose.

Cosmo1974
Woods Cross, UT

I think its kind of funny so called Utah fans keep thinking that BYU could not compete in a power conference. Can you see into the future? Because as of right now, Utah doesn't appear to be competing in power conference either. Yes, there have been some pretty close games, but a loss is a loss. If Utah really were an "elite" team, they probably would have won more of those close games. I'm completely aware that I'm stirring the pot and I am about to do it some more by throwing out some totally irrelevant statistics. I also realize that by doing so, someone Utah fan may respond by throwing out some other meaningless ones. Anyway, here goes. For all those Utah fans who say they have moved on from BYU, if you look at the list of most commented articles for each school, (and take out the one that appears in both lists), there is a grand total of 52 comments on Utah articles and 377 total comments on BYU articles. Let the fun begin!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Utes11:
The Big 12 bball championship is, and has always been played on Saturday. Regardless how you want to spin it the Big 12 isn't getting any ACC teams, even if the courts rule Maryland doesn't have to pay the entire exit fee. It isn't about exit fee, it's about TV rights which ALL ACC schools have signed over.

To the rest of the ute fans who seem to be under the impression that BYU feels entitled to be in the Big 12. Let me ask...who approached whom the first time around? The Big 12 approached BYU and BYU wasn't ready to cut any deals. The Big 12 was obviously interested which I know hurts your little theory that no one wants BYU but get over it. I suggested that BYU go to the Big 12 "hat in hand"...how does that suggest entitlement? That suggests contrition and a desire to contribute, not ask for something we're "entitled" to. And stop pretending P5 teams have earned it...did Rutgers Maryland, Utah, or Colorado earn it? Research and tv market are the only reason those programs are in so get off your high horse and stop pretending otherwise.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cosmo1974
Woods Cross, UT

"For all those Utah fans who say they have moved on from BYU, if you look at the list of most commented articles for each school, (and take out the one that appears in both lists), there is a grand total of 52 comments on Utah articles and 377 total comments on BYU articles. Let the fun begin!"

The fun started on Thursday, Cosmo. There's no entertainment on the planet that tops a good ole' fashioned byu train wreck.

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

Utah could be experiencing "growing pains" as a member of the PAC-12--or it could already be settling permanently at the bottom; ask WSU and OSU (and, to a lesser degree, the Arizona schools) about ~their~ growing pains in the PAC. Even in bad years, BYU's football team beats the PAC cellar-dwellers.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cosmo1974:

"For all those Utah fans who say they have moved on from BYU, if you look at the list of most commented articles for each school, there is a grand total of 52 comments on Utah articles and 377 total comments on BYU articles. Let the fun begin!"

For all those cougar fans who say Utah hadn't moved on from the Y, if you look at all the quotes from the Utah side of the former rivalry, there will be a grand total of 0 comments referencing the U-Y game as our "Super Bowl", or our "biggest motivation", or the reason "why a lot of us came to Utah".

And Cosmo...did you actually READ what those Ute had to say about the Y? Because I had. And there doesn't appear to much for you to be proud of.

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