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Published: Thursday, May 15 2014 5:20 p.m. MDT

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SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Rob of NV "Thank you for proving my point."
Uour point was adding BYU would have "minimalized economic effect in splitting up the pie".

Bringing in BYU/Cin doesn't add anything; it costs. Each current team would lose about $4 million. I suppose $4 million could have minimal economic effect to Texas, but try convincing Iowa State or Kansas to take a 14% cut.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ 1978

Colorado has a NC and a Heisman, both more recent than BYU. So....what's your point?

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT
Uteology must have graduated from U of U......

Winning percentage vs PAC-12 since leaving the MWC:

Utah - 34%
BYU - 28%

The only reason Utah is ahead of BYU against the PAC 12 is because BYU hasn't played Colorado five times.......

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Actually, since it appears you can't make a decent comparison...

The reason BYU has a better P12 win percentage is because they have played 1/4th the number of P12 teams Utah has.

Oh, you haven't played Colorado much? Guess what? You haven't played Stanford, Oregon, USC, UCLA, ASU, or any of the other decent P12 teams either.

That's like me saying Utah had a better win percentage against the WCC in bball last year than BYU did during the regular season. Our percentage was 1.000 and yours was .722. Nevermind that we played just one WCC team, while you played 18 games vs the WCC.

How you luv that cherry-picking apples-to-oranges comparison?

If you want to make a real comparison to Utah vs the Pac 12, join the league. Otherwise, you can make no comparison, ever.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Rob of NV,

The BCS system was created to prevent what happened in 1984 from happening again. And it worked really well. That's why we now have a championship playoff. The Holiday Bowl isn't and never was a BCS bowl. So BYU cannot be considered a BCS buster.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

It's time for BYU administrators and Holmoe to see the writing on the wall & get with Cincinnati and go to the Big 12 hat in hand and tell them everything is on the table for negotiation except Sunday play (which they know already). They wanted us before but administrators didn't want to give anything up...well now you don't have a choice. Tell them we will only take the increased revenue we bring to the renegotiated tv contract. That way none of the existing schools will lose out on any money but will actually make more because of a CCG. BYU doesn't need more money so this would be easy for them to do, unlike the team up north that needs big brother to pay their way because they couldn't make it on their own. It's a win win. Big 12 gets the CCG they want, BYU & Cincy, both winning attractive programs get the seat at the table they want.

Independence has been awesome & I wish it could go on, but now is the time to sure up our football & athletic future.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"That is an inconvient truth that many Utah fans love to overlook."

1978:

Maybe that's because it happened so long ago. What has BYU done in this century?

Mkithpen
Sandy, UT

Here comes intermural sports to the Y. No wonder Bronco is still there he doesn't see it coming either.

JD
Las Vegas, NV

BYU fans should really let this decision sink in and really take it to heart. It is reality, big smack of reality, and it looks to only get worse. Things are not going well in the land of being an Independent. The status is clearly spelled out, BYU is NOT considered as a program on the first tier level of college football. Winning 8-10 games a year and playing in a pre-arranged pre-Christmas Day bowl game is not glorious. Arguing with the world (and PAC-12 Ute fans) on how great things are in Provo is not the truth. BYU is a mid major program and an invitation to join is not going to happen. This message was sent loud and clear. There is not a way to justify otherwise. Facts are the facts, and pretending that everything is fine and superior is just living in make believe land. Take ownership of the second tier status and try to excel at that level. There are teams and programs that rank higher than BYU on the second tier. So it should be some good competition to try to rise up and battle with the mid major schools, good luck

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Sorry Utes, but you're every bit as irrelevant as BYU. You're Iowa State of the Pac-12 - deal with it.

OhioUte2218
Columbus, OH

@KFBob,

If I was a BYU graduate I would be more concerned about education than football. BYU is already ranked #78 in graduate earnings (Utah #228) I would concentrate on elevating the already stellar academics at BYU. It's great that Utah is in the PAC 12. BYU will never be in the PAC 12. But Utah will never reach BYU's academic and career success due to mediocre undergraduate education. I am sure that Harvard and Yale wish they were in the PAC-12 too but oh well I guess they will just take the education and the career opportunities instead. Darn!

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You make some good points. It is great the Utah's in the PAC 12. However, when it comes to academics, I guess Utah will just have to live with its top 100 World Academic Ranking. Most of the rest of the PAC-12 schools are also in the top 100. BTW- BYU was somewhere between 300 and 399. Academically, BYU is a tiny spot in Utah's rear view mirror. You're right: BYU will never be in the PAC-12.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Ken Lee:

"Why would a school avoid a team like BYU that has a national following, a sold out 65,000 seat stadium,... and an ENHANCED STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE vs some Div II, UNLV, or Wyoming type team? "

Over the past 3 seasons, the cougars have shown they can only sell out their stadium when Utah comes to town. And we won't be "com[ing] to town" again until 2017. Addionally, you DON'T have an "enhanced strenght of schedule". In fact, there's not much difference between the Y's schedule and UNLV's or Wyoming's. And for what it's worth, opponents would could attract better players out of Las Vegas than they could from Provo.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

TXAfghan Vet:

"And don't forget, losing does impact recruiting. Notice BYU out recruited the u this year."

Not according to Rivals -- who is noted as the the most accurate of all rating agencies. Per Rivals, Utah had outrecruited the Y every year since 2008.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

1978:

"...having a 22 game winning streak for two years that included road/nuetral victories over 4 ranked teams including UCLA...is busting something...That is an inconvient [sic] truth that many Utah fans love to overlook."

I suppose an "inconvenient truth" that many cougar fans love to overlook is the fact that the Y did NOT beat 4 ranked teams. They beat only TWO teams who finished ranked at the end of their respective seasons: #13 Air Force (10-2) and #17 UCLA (7-4-1). And NEITHER of those games were in 1984.

Another "inconvenient truth" would be that the cougars had never beaten more than 2 teams who'd finished ranked at the end of the season in the same season. If you wanted to see a team who'd beaten 4 ranked teams, you'd have to look northward to your big brother on the Hill, who'd done that TWICE: 1994 and 2008.

Utes11
Salt Lake City, Utah

The Big 12 is waiting for the next round of TV deals to be about a year away, Then they will approach Florida State and Clemson or Georgia Tech. Since the SEC got a foothold in Texas, Deloss Dodds,( Texas AD) wants badly to get a foothold into SEC country. The Florida and Atlanta TV markets are way more of a "peach" ( see what I did there? ;-) than the Utah and , yaaawn, Cincinnati markets!

U 90
Corona, CA

1978,

There is no way BYU beat 4 teams that finished the season ranked in the 22 games leading up to and including 1984. Please provide a list of the teams and your source.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Utes11:
Boy, you don't keep up on current events do you? Let me help you. Steve Patterson is the AD at Texas not DeLoss Dodds (that change took place clear back in November). The Big 12 isn't getting any ACC schools...if they were then they had the best opportunity in the Summer of 2012 before Florida St, GT, etc all showed their loyalty by signing over their TV rights. The next round of TV deals for the Big 12 (unless they add teams) won't be until 2025...I'm pretty sure there will be changes before that. If the "power 5" want continuity and equal access to the playoff they will be pressuring the Big 12 to have a CCG and play a similar schedule as the other conferences...I can almost guarentee that will happen. BYU needs to go with Cincy ASAP and negotiate with the Big 12 on their terms...if they choose to play the entitled, elitist card then they're finished and I'll be following my Dawgs exclusively. It's that cut and dry. This "snub" doesn't really mean much in the here and now, but it doesn't bode well for the future.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Cougsndawgs said:

It's time for BYU administrators and Holmoe to see the writing on the wall & get with Cincinnati and go to the Big 12 hat in hand and tell them everything is on the table for negotiation….. Tell them we will only take the increased revenue we bring to the renegotiated tv contract. That way none of the existing schools will lose out on any money but will actually make more because of a CCG. BYU doesn't need more money so this would be easy for them to do, unlike the team up north that needs big brother to pay their way because they couldn't make it on their own. It's a win win."

It's a lose lose for BYU and Cin. What does that say about a school crawling to a conference door, asking for a seat at the table? The Big 12 is twisted of sorts by way that Texas keeps it's massive TV deal. None of the other schools share in that. Is BYU willing to share it's TV revenue with Big 12 schools?
Turning down any Big 12 revenue would be crazy.

Utes11
Salt Lake City, Utah

this is a direct quote "At a combined $20 million per school annually, the Big 12′s TV deals are ahead of the ACC’s ESPN deal (around $17 million per school, per year) and not far behind the Big Ten and Pac-12′s sets of contracts (both around $21 million per school annually). And unlike those other major conferences, the Big 12 guarantees its member schools Tier 3 rights that include one football game, several basketball games and programming like non-revenue sports and coaches’ shows, among other media rights.

Big Ten and Pac-12 schools gave up many of those rights to form their conference-specific networks, which are partially (Big Ten) or wholly (Pac-12) owned by the conferences. The ACC, on the other hand, packaged its schools’ third-tier TV rights into its ESPN deal, which I’ve previously declared was a misstep for the conference." So if your'e FSU, GT or Clemson do you want to get 17 mill / year..or 20 mill . year...with the escalation to 30 mill/ year in the future.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

"BYU needs to go with Cincy ASAP and negotiate with the Big 12 on their terms.."

Cougsndawgs, the SEC and the ACC have spoken. Do you think the Big 12 wasn't listening?

Holmoe tried to use the SEC and ACC to get what he wanted in the same way he tried to use Utah St to get what he wanted in 2010. In this case, it was recognition that byu-provo is a P5 caliber program. His intentions clearly had nothing to do with a desire to schedule SEC and ACC teams. However, Holmoe learned that he cannot manipulate two power conferences the way he manipulated Utah St. Applying the outcome of the Utah St fiasco to this scenario, even the most ardent byu-provo has to concede that the SEC and the ACC simply did what was in their best interest. Sound familiar?

The SEC and ACC aren't responsible, nor do they care, about the consequences to byu-provo that will result from their decision. Sound familiar? The SEC and the ACC will simply walk away knowing they did what they needed to do for themselves. Sound familiar? Rest assured, the Big-12 was listening.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Utes11:
FSU & GT already decided on sticking it out with the ACC. They could have bolted to the big 12 & would have been accepted with open arms in 2012. They decided to stay and openly declared their allegiance to the ACC at that time BEFORE signing their rights over to the ACC. Why they decided to stay is certainly a good question, but is a moot point right now.

NightOwl:
How is it lose lose for BYU & Cincy? They would still make about as much as they do now if not more. BYU would get to keep tier 3 rights under the Big 12 like all other schools. The big issue with BYU would be turning their home tv rights over to the Big 12 which is something they need to be willing to do IMO. BYU & Cincy are already considered by many publications to be the front runners if the Big 12 expands so how is it crawling to a conference door? For BYU it would simply be negotiating further on previous negotiations...hardly crawling to anyone's door.

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