Get ready for all the "tithing and church callings aren't charity"
messages. For some people, charity seems to be ONLY acceptible if it involves
directly giving food and money to a homeless person.While giving
basic things to someone in need is a very noble and charitable thing, there are
lots of charitable ways to give to your community. These include spending time
with young people or visiting the elderly or cleaning up a widow's yard or
a park. Teaching scouts how to swim or building churches are good things too.Donating money and time to worthy organizations (including the LDS
church) that help people other than yourself is a really good thing - even if
some people may not personally like that church.Tithing and service
are commandments but they aren't laws. It is volunteered even if you are a
Are Utah's numbers inflated?Probably, just as every other
state's is likely inflated. The rankings likely still hold."Gallup also found the more religious a state is, the more it is likely to
be among the top states for generosity. "Not surprising.New York, liberal hot bed, at the very bottom.Also not
Not surprising that our fair state is at the bottom. Not much left over after
the high taxes we are coerced into paying!
This is what I admire about Utah and why it is state filled with wonderful
What? How can that be?New York is home to WallStreet, and
thousands of Billionaires, and ten's of thousands of Millionaires?I don't think this so much a Utah vs. New York issue, as much
as I see it as a poor vs. rich issue.The poor have always been more
charitable than the rich, and as been proven in a thousand other studies.
And Liberals would have you believe how they are the party that cares about the
poor.......but facts prove otherwise!Amazing that NY is DEAD LAST!
Just goes to show who really cares about the poor, its the GOP!
"Utah has landed itself first in the nation in a recent Gallup poll
measuring charitable giving in donated money and volunteered time, all
self-reported."" . . . all self-reported?"Realistically, what does that mean?It means that Utah is either
the most generous state, OR . . . It means that Utah is the most dishonest
TRUTH:"Just goes to show who really cares about the poor, its
the GOP!"That's quite a stretch of logic. For starters,
that poll incorporated "tithing" as "charitable giving" when it
really isn't. It certainly counts as "charitable giving" as far as
one's Schedule A is concerned, but tithing is really a
"commandment", so as far as I'm concerned, my paying it really no
more charitable than my paying my utility bill.If the GOP really
WERE the ones who care about the poor, then why isn't NY at the top of that
list. Look at all those Wall Street billionaires. With all that money,
you'd think they'd keep the Empire State out of the basement.And for what it's worth, had you ever actually LIVED in NY? Do you know
what the cost of living index is back there? Maybe those New Yorkers don't
have as much disposable income to hand out.
This kinda sounds like it was just adults surveyed. It may and may not take
into account the time and efforts of good works done by our youth. Think of all
the time and effort on Eagle Scout, Girl Scout and High School Class and many
other service projects accomplished by our youth. I am sure that youth would
contribute significantly in additional time spent in service.
To "airnaut" your hatred of Utah and the wealthy is well known.The problem with blaming the rich, is that in a place like New York State,
they make up a small percentage of the people. The wealthy people could be very
generous in New York, the problem is that the rest of the people are not.
I thought the same thing Rocket. Because this survey only relies on self
reporting it's pretty invalid. There has been a great deal of scientific
research showing that people active in religion tend of over report what they
give to charity in these types of surveys. What happens is when they are asked
people report what they feel like they should be giving instead of what they
actually are giving. I'm not saying that all the people in Utah
lied - just that these types of studies need to be looked at a bit more
I don't think it is so much that people in the GOP care more about the
poor, as much as they are the ones who DO something about it. The left is all
talk and say things that are PC but so unwilling to put their money where their
NavalVet: Tithing is a commandment but so is being charitable. Just because
something is a commandment doesn't mean it means it is no longer
charitable. People are not forced to keep commandments. Further, charity is
motivational and emotional - it is love (the pure love of Christ). Actions do
not always reveal motivations. This means in part that just because one person
pays tithing just because doesn't mean someone else does so without
charity."Why isn't NY at the top of that list. Look at all
those Wall Street billionaires."A lot of the Wall Street
billionaires are Democrats and a lot are Republicans and a lot are Independents
(not that there are a lot of billionaires - there are only 67 out of the 19.5
million people in New York). Read Arthur Brooks's book "Who Really
Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" for a
thorough, scientific analysis of political, religious, ideological factors
influencing charitable giving. The author considered himself a liberal when he
started working on the book but was surprised with what his statistical analyses
showed (secular liberals give the least money, donations, and time).
@JoeCapitalist2The thing with church donations is that a lot of it just
goes to upkeep of the church. Is that charity? Maybe. I pay membership dues to a
club (which are used for activity funds); are those charity too? I'd say
no.Of course there are a lot of church donations that are obviously
charitable like the fast offerings and humanitarian aid contributions (certainly
others as well) so it's not like one can say that ALL church donations
aren't charitable either. There might be one other quirk with
churches though, particularly the LDS church. Full tithing is 10%, but if left
to their own devices (by which I mean there being no attachment to the temple or
any blessings related to it) would people still give 10%? Some might, others
wouldn't. If someone would give 2% to the church, but is giving 10% due to
a perceived need, is that 8% difference really charity, or is it more like a
purchase? So what is and isn't charity? I don't know, I
think there's several different legitimate views to have.
Airnaut,And numerous studies have also shown conservatives are much more
generous than liberals. And while conservatives give time and money to causes
that help the poor, liberals give to animal rights groups, the arts, and other
similar causes. But you choose not to cite those studies because they do not
support your hatred of all things Utah. Makes one wonder if you’re not
just really jealous???Naval VetThanks for proving
JoeCapitalist 2 correct. By what measure are you saying tithing is not
charitable? If you don’t pay your utility bill, the utility gets turned
off. If you don’t pay your tithing, you can still go to church.As for Wall Street, they gave more to the dems than the GOP, proving again the
GOP really cares about the poor, while dems do not.Don’t blame
us that New Yorkers have voted in politicians who tax the life out of them. WE
did not do that to them, they did it to themselves and are now dependent on it.
Schucks,if Utah didn't deduct all that money from their taxes to give to
"charities" maybe we could afford to pay for our schools!
@ GaryO and The Wraith:Why would you (or anyone) question the
veracity of poll results from Utah respondents, but not from those of other
states? Seems a bit bigoted. Those other respondents would've had the same
motivations and incentives to lie as Utahans. As such, any degree of fudging
would be relatively uniform across the board with the list order staying the
same.If you had finished reading the article, you would've
noticed the results of this poll were independently confirmed and collaborated
by the Institute of Philanthropy using government documents from the IRS and
other legal forms. As such, any reasonable person would consider the poll
results legitimate and acceptable. Unreasonable people on the other hand...Seems rather sad that just because Utah is known as a conservative
state, that known liberals would question any findings that show it in a
positive light. Very sad indeed.
aurinaut,I really liked your perspective, but after spending more
time than I would like to admit, I don't think that your hypothesis fits
the data. Doing a quick search about average income per household by state, and
comparing the data to this poll doesn't seem to hold any weight. According
to this poll, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Alabama were among the least giving
states, they are also among the ten lowest incomes per household. On the other
hand most of the northeast are in the middle of the pack when it comes to giving
(with the exception of New York) and they have the highest income per household.
Even Utah has the 14 highest per household income (New York is 16th)
and according to this poll we had the highest percent of people that gave
charity.Anyways it would seem that there isn't a direct
correlation between the percent of people that give to charity and the wealth of
the state (based solely on this poll and income data)
Brio,“Why would you (or anyone) question the veracity of poll
results from Utah respondents, but not from those of other states?”Why? Well the subject of the article is "Utah Ranks First." And
what does it rank first in? It ranks first in CLAIMS of generosity. Sure, other
survey respondents may have lied about the money and hours they contribute, but
Utah is number ONE in self-reported contribution claims.. . . Just
setting the facts straight.You're welcome.
GaryO: "[Utah] ranks first in CLAIMS of generosity." Yes, it does. Read
Brio's comment where he/she referred to these not just being self-reported
statements ("I claim this...") about charitable giving but also verified
by tax documents (i.e., looking at charitable giving claims on tax returns and
calculating per capita giving by state - I can't post the links but there
are a number of studies showing Utah as consistently having highest per capita
giving). There are a lot of households that have zero tax reasons to give
charitably (myself included, I don't make enough to take higher than the
standard deduction) but individuals and families still give. The most recent
data show Utah as having 33.4% of households claiming charitable giving
deductions to the IRS (4th highest rate in country) with a per capita giving of
$2388, 40% higher than the next highest state - this isn't factoring in
income. Further, volunteer hours are highest in Utah and they aren't
Tithing is not a charitable contribution - for any church. It may get reported
that way, but it isn't charity.
This is ridiculous. 65% of people surveyed who happen to be from NY gave a
monetary donation. 71% of people surveyed from UT gave a donation. My state was
70%. All the numbers are a snapshot and all encouraging. Given that 15% of
people are on assistance and still likely donating a few dollars a month to
church or some other effort from time to time I think the numbers are fantastic.
Most people give some of their treasure monthly to others. I think almost
everyone in the country would answer yes to donating time or money to something
if the time span was over a year. Salvation drive kettle campaign, church, food
drive, donation to thrift store like goodwill of outgrown coats... It adequately
describes what the individual American does with their money. I feel very proud.
As for the deduction Utah is likely the highest because most of the
donations are to the church with the tax letter, very simple to quantify. In
another state a person may give $400 to 12 different charities and lose letters.
Instead of just two letters for taxes, they have 12 and may not be concerned
they only have 8 letters.