This is how I see it. I think we should be proud that our schools and coaches
support the graduation of so many student athletes. Go UTES!
@ Alpine BlueThe SEC, ACC, BIG, Big XII, and PAC-12 all consider BYU
to be a mid-major. That accounts for a lot of impartial minds. The only people
who consider BYU to be a major program, are BYU fans.
"Relative to retention calculation for BYU student-athletes who embark on
LDS missionary service, the NCAA says that "Legislated exceptions/allowable
exclusions include student-athletes who...have participated in official
religious missions. In other words, academically-eligible
student-athletes who leave BYU to serve church missions do not negatively impact
the school's retention components."That is a simple
cut-paste from the KSL article referenced in this article about the APRs of the
Utah schools.Sorry BYU fans,the "but we have more missionaries
than everyone else" argument doesn't hold water. The NCAA is well
aware of BYU's missionaries, and takes their uniques situation into
account.Here is another interesting quote from the KSL article
referenced above: "While BYU's institutional APR score held relatively
steady and the football program saw a slight but important jump that keeps the
team clear of the NCAA's "danger zone," relative to low-performance
infractions."Congratulations Cougars, on staying clear of the
"danger zone for low-performance infractions." That's getting it
Jim McMahon will increase BYU's APR when they decide to give him a back
Part of the measurement is continued academic progress (can find an adequate
explanation on wiki). Meaning if a student athlete left school for say, 2 years,
would have a negative effect. So let me ask, how many of BYU's athletes are
returned missionaries? These formula's are calculated on a 5yr cycle
because that is now the average time it takes to graduate. These reports have
come out for years and for years they've said BYU is the hardest to grade
because most of their players take 6-7yrs to graduate. I believe BYU has more
than 50 football players currently serving missions. That is going to seriously
effect this study. Yes Utah (and other schools) also have missionaries; but they
are not the overwhelming majority of their roster. Also, I'm not sure why
anyone is stating that because a school is in a major conference, they have
better academics. Of the Top 10 Academic Schools in the nation, only 2 are in a
major conference. On that list (US News & World Report..not cougar board)
the University of Utah (#121) is 59 spots below Brigham Young University (#62).
as a BYU fan, ouch to factchequer...ad deepblue must not understand the comments
deep blue,I point you as well to the KSL article LINKED in this
article:Fact Chequer,You need to check your factsFrom the KSL link in the article:Relative to retention
calculation for BYU student-athletes who embark on LDS missionary service, the
NCAA says that "Legislated exceptions/allowable exclusions include
student-athletes who...have participated in official religious missions."
In other words, academically-eligible student-athletes who leave BYU
to serve church missions do not negatively impact the school's retention
components"Want to try that one again?
In spite of Chris B/Naval Vet (along with other BYU-hater trolls) continued
almost daily insistence that BYU is "only a mid-Major" program, that
Bleacher Report (never a great BYU supporter) has for the past year been
including BYU and Notre Dame in their list of 68 Major Football programs. This
list of 68 include the 66 members of the Big 5 BCS conferences along with these
two independent programs.Hate to explode your urban legend myth, but
impartial (unlike you) minds do understand that the BYU brand is much more than
a mid-Major, but indeed a true Major program. And much more a major brand than
certain poor sister members of these major conferences to include Vanderbilt,
Iowa State, Virginia, Indiana, Utah, Ole Miss, Washington State, et al.
Che26I also attended both schools, graduated from the U, and I can
confirm that your experience was very similar to my experience - classes at the
Y were much more rigorous than they were at the U.
As FACTchequer pointed out, APR is based on the percentage of scholarship
athletes that graduate within 6 years. Here are the number of returned
missionaries on the 2013 rosters for BYU, Utah State, and Utah.BYU
45Utah State 23Utah 19When over half of your athletes
(45 of 85) aren't even enrolled in school for two of those six years,
it's difficult to maintain a high APR. Base the calculation on the number
of years athletes are actually enrolled in school (an apples to apples
comparison) and BYU's APR would easily surpass USU and Utah.
Vegasute,AS for conference affiliation, if you've got it,
As someone who took classes at both BYU and Utah I just want to point out that
BYU's freshman classes are significantly more difficult than the general
classes at the U. At the U if I put in a decent amount of work and did all the
reading I could usually pull off an A. At BYU I would spend hours and
hours studying and doing extra practice tests and I would be lucky to get a C+.
Both are great academic institutions, but something needs to be said about
the difficulty at BYU compared to Utah.
Leave it to Chris B to turn this into a conference affiliation thing!Cletus: love your TIC posts! Awesome!Congratulations to all of
the schools for hitting the high marks, unlike UNLV!Go Utes!
Now if the utes could actually win some games in major sports that would be
something. I am guessing that moral victories must have counted more than an
actual victories in regarding the u's ranking.
...follow up...Checked the stats on Utah's big 3 for all
students (not just student athletes)4 year graduation rate: BYU 30%,
USU 27%, utah 22%6 year graduation rate: BYU 77%, utah 58%, USU 55%8
year graduation rate: BYU 85%, utah 71%, USU 60%Average SAT/ACT
scores: BYU 1912/28, utah 1695/22, USU 1642/21Make with that what
you will. And Cletus? Athletic conference affiliation has nothing to do with
graduation rates for the entire student body and very little for student
athletes. I don't know what you think this report proves. Both utah and BYU
are excellent in academics. utah especially so for medicine and BYU especially
so for business/law. USU great as well with biology/agriculture.And
Chris B. Classy fan base? That's funny.
I would love to see a similar report that includes all students. Not just
student athletes. It would be interesting to see what the rankings look like as
far as acadamic success and graduation rates for all students.
Fact Chequer,You need to check your factsFrom the KSL
link in the article:Relative to retention calculation for BYU
student-athletes who embark on LDS missionary service, the NCAA says that
"Legislated exceptions/allowable exclusions include student-athletes
who...have participated in official religious missions." In
other words, academically-eligible student-athletes who leave BYU to serve
church missions do not negatively impact the school's retention
components"Check your facts next time
Noodles says USU's APR is higher than BOTH Utah, BYU, and Weber. lol
Some more facts from the NCAA websiteHighest 2012-13 APR for FBS
Programs1) Texas, Louisville 1,0003) Air Force 9974) Stanford 9955) UCF, Minnesota, Utah State, South
Carolina, Wisconsin 99410) Indiana, Rutgers 991Highest
Multi-Year APR for FBS Programs1) Duke 9922)
Northwestern 9913) Wisconsin 9894) Boise State, Utah
State 9886) Stanford 9847) Clemson, Georgia Tech 9839) Boston College 98110) Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, South
Carolina 98014) UCLA 97915) UCF 978
Here are the 2012-2013 Football APR by school.USU 988Utes
970SUU 950BYU 938Weber 938I am surprised that
BYU is that low. Good job USU they are in the Top 5 for APR in Football.
APR is based on the percentage of scholarship athletes who graduate within six
years.BYU's APR is skewed because of the large percentage of
athletes who serve missions.An athlete who serves a two-year mission
and takes five years to graduate (which is very typical of students nation-wide)
wouldn't meet the NCAA's standard for graduating within six years,
even though the athlete was only enrolled in school for five years.Given that very real handicap, it's remarkable that BYU does as well as
they do.If APR was calculated on the number of years BYU athletes
were actually enrolled in school, BYU's APR would be much, much higher.Utah and Utah State also have the same handicap, but to a much lesser
Actually Utah State scored 981, which is better than both Utah, BYU, and Weber.
We are good on academics and byu is not good on academics because they are not
in a power conference like we are and the report proves it.Go Utes!
Well, that kinda blows up some myths...
Also interesting report coming out today regarding byu is the ACC's
decision to NOT treat byu like a power conference team and NOT give them an
exception. Why? Simple. They are a mid major, with focus on the "mid"
part rather than the "major"
And once again we see why the University of Utah was such an attractive option
to the Pac 12.Great athleticGreat academicsResearch
institutionClassy fan baseThanks for working hard on and off
the field guys!Keep up the good workGo UTES!
Great to see all these schools doing such a good job of remembering these kids
are students first, since most of them will need that education and will not
compete in their sports for a living.As a bonus it is great to see
the Utes doing the best job of all the major in-state schools. Go Utes!