The state of Utah isn't that great. We have high taxes, horrible winter
inversions, a nanny run state legislature, low paying jobs and we also have 25
billion dollars in long term debt.But hey our great legislators get
health care for life.
Thank goodness we don't live in Illinois. With Utah's pension reform
done, the competetive advantage for Utah's businesses should just get more
apparent with time do to lower individual and corporate taxes that won't
have to be raised to pay for pensions the rest of us don't enjoy!
FTThe economy continues to improve? Not really. Here are some
numbers. Over 800 thousand not in labor force that used to be. (and that is not
due to retirements). Labor force participation is at a 35 year low. 63%.
Employment to population ratio 59%, lower than in 2009. Globle growth down, at
52%. No wage increase for workers. Not a good economy.
Sorry Patriot, but you need to check your history here a little:New
York's mayors for 20 years, 1994 until 2014, were Republicans/Independents.
BOTH Republicans and Democrats are to blame- because beyond a few
high profile issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) they ALL do the same thing:
give lip service to the people and waste money at our expense.You
are also picking and choosing which states to represent as best and worst. Look
at unemployment rates within the states- There is a mixture of Republican and
Democratic leaning states at both the bottom AND top of that list. Conservatism
isn't perfect, but neither is Liberalism. It is a mixture of the two that
tend to work well. It's when extremists of either side claim that ONLY
their policies will work, that problem occur.
Patriot hit the nail on the head. We see the effects of liberalism on full
display in NY, Illinois, Detroit, New Hampshire, California...They are all
struggling under the failed vision and policies of liberalism.Liberals try to dodge their poor management and failed policies by blaming
Bush, Europe, the weather, China, S. America...anything but looking in the
mirror and truthfully acknowledging their own weak position.BTW,
Bush was not a conservative with regards to economics and fiscal policy. Most
Republicans are not happy with him either. But the Great Recession was set up
in the 90's by...Liberals. No surprise there."Let my
people go". This Mosaic phrase uttered millennia ago could well be shouted
from the roof tops today. America needs to turn away from liberalism, returning
to freedom, federalism, and the principles of our founding fathers that worked
well the past 200+ years.
re:GaryOGary - stop with the tired old liberal excuses. Detroit and
LA and NY have been run by liberals (governors and mayors and legislatures) for
decades and that is why they are crumbling. The socialist policies and the BIG
unions have ruined these state economies and there is no ducking from that
anymore but nice try. Not one of these states has a Republican governor - not
one. You mentioned all the problems in these states and like a typical liberal
you use the blame game on foreign competition. Well Texas is booming and I can
guarantee you if Texas was under liberal leadership it would be just like the
other liberal states. The reason?? Liberals would have shut down ALL energy
production on public land. California is dying and the reason is directly
related to liberal immigration policy and giganitc taxes. High tech companies
are leaving Silicon Valley for Texas and that trend is only going to increase.
You liberals just don't get it - you will never get it. Look at ALL the
Republican run states - the majority are doing GREAT compared to the liberal run
states. Liberalism is a disaster. Numbers don't lie Gary.
@SC FanYes, this is BO's economy and no matter how conservatives spin
it is in a much better place than what it was when he came into office, and it
continues to improve! The truth may hurt but Bush and the conservative tax and
spending bills he got thru congress, and the ones he failed to address, in his
first term caused the melt down. Any economist worth a salt supported the
goverment's deficit spending after the crash to avoid a total melt down of
our economy. Familarized yourself with Keynesian economics and it's proven
GaryObamaSorry pal, but in fact there were pictures I saw of Obama
using his middle finger as if he were scratching his nose in that sneaky way to
give the finger, and it was directed right at Paul Ryan who had just gotten
through giving Obama the economic facts of life and who has about 10 times more
knowledge than Obama about the economy. And you forget that the stimilus was
specifically for infrastructure jobs. Roads, bridges, ect. Remember the
"shovel ready jobs"? I guess you don't, but even Obama himself
said that "I guess there were not as many shovel ready jobs as we had hoped
for". Almost a direct quote from him. As for the bad economy, that was
facilitated by the housing market collapse, and that is tracable directly back
to the Clinton administration policy of forcing lenders to loan money to
unqualified people. Thank you Bill Clinton. And, even if you want to believe
that the economic collapse was Bushs fault, you still can't defend Obamas
lackluster recovery on Republicans. This is Obamas economy now anyway you look
at it. Live with it.
SCfanSorry man, but NOTHING you just said is in any way true.Obama never got a Job’s bill passed. The Stimulus did help the
nation quite a lot. For one thing, it lowered taxes for 95% of Americans for two
years, and Republicans still hated it. But it was not a Jobs’ Bill.
That bill was offered in 2011, and then immediately shot down by irresponsible
Right Wingers.Of course food stamp recipients were plentiful, as
well as the unemployed, but that is what happens when you allow a Republican to
occupy the White House for 8 years and leave the nation and its economy in
shambles.Would you rather see people starving on the streets? . . .
or Prostituting their children for food? Would that have been more consistent
with your “Conservative” ideology?” It would, wouldn’t
it?And no, Obama neither literally nor metaphorically gave
Republicans the middle finger. Apparently, you don’t know what
“literally” means. Obama has continually reached out, and he’s
Patriot –No, what all these cities have in common is that they
are MAJOR American cities and have been so for a long time. Their major
industries have been lost and weakened due to foreign competition. They also
have crumbling infrastructure that needs refurbishment at the very least, and
they need new infrastructure. It costs money to maintain and build
infrastructure, and that money can only come from taxes. They also have very
little in the way tourism or mineral resources, unlike the states out west with
national parks and massive amounts of coal, oil, copper, silver, etc. that can
add to the state coffers.Wyoming is credited as being the most well
run state, but it has all kinds of mineral wealth and very few people, so yes,
there’s going to be plenty of money for government, and it’s easy to
run a surplus.Or are you suggesting that the Republicans in Wyoming
are inherently superior to the Republicans in Utah?How do you
GaryO Obama spent almost a trillion dollars when he took office as
his "jobs bill" and it didn't do a thing to help the unemployed.
Not the Republicans fault. They didn't even have the House when that
happened. Even today, almost 6 years later, the unemployed are still high. The
number who quit looking for work grow. The food stamp recipients at all time
high. And when the Republicans did try to work with him, Obama literally gave
the middle finger to them. Why don't you just admit that Obama has not been
an economic success, instead of trying to blame every Republican for his
with cites like Detroit and LA and NY deteriorating at alarming speed and the
taxes in these cities and their parent states so ridiculously high and unlivable
I see mass exodus from these states coming in the next 5 years. Notice all the
commericals about the silly "tax free zones" in NY state. The real
question is why is NY even having to make these commericals in the first place?
The reason - people are leaving and taking their busienss with them. The same is
happening in LA and Detroit is in shambles now being only half the size it was
20 years ago. What do all these cities and states have in common?? They are ALL
run by liberals and Democrats. Enough said. States like Texas, Utah, the Dakotas
will be growing in size as people seek refuge from the cancer of liberalism.
Unless we change the White House and the US senate to conservative hands there
will be no safe haven soon.
More inane words from another Right Wing “Pundit.”In
this piece, George Will is essentially blaming the obstructionism of
Republicans in the US Congress and GW's Great Recession (and it's
horrible, lingering aftereffects) on Democrats.Obama's 2011
Jobs’ bill would have put millions of Americans back to work, especially
those in high population Democratic states, most of them in dire need of
infrastructure upgrades. Of course, that bill was shot down by regressive and
irresponsible Republicans in Congress.You're wrong as usual
George. I wish I could say, "Nice try," but that would not be a true
summary of your efforts. But I can accurately say, "The Koch Brothers are
behind you one hundred percent."“ . . . contemporary
liberalism's only other idea, rage against the rich . . . “Gosh George, you should tell Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, the two richest
Liberals in America, how much rage they feel against themselves. They may not
have noticed their self-loathing.Go for it George. Your words make
evident the relatively worth of the Right Wing thought process.
I feel fortunate to live in a state and a city where the legislature and the
governor and other elected leaders have provided fairly high quality governance.
Unfortunately I have to put up with Utah winters to get this benefit.
Ah Illinois. With Detroit, the perfect examples of liberalism, and its
accompanying corruption, running everything it touches into the ground.
And yet America twice elected as President a guy right out of the "Chicago
way." Good call America. Keep that up with Hillary, another Chicagoite,
and our nation will be where Illinois is now. Or, maybe it already surpasses
Illinois what with 17.5 trillion owed. Yeah, good call America.
"...the speaker of the House, Michael Madigan, who has been a legislator
since Richard Nixon was president (1971)."=========================And therein lies Illinois' root problem. Like any garden left
unattended, weeds eventually become the primary crop.Having someone
who has been in **any** institution for 43 years, particularly one with the
power and potential corruptibility of the leader of a governing body, is a sure
sign that the "garden" has been neglected.....for a long time.There are some long-term political types here in Utah that indicate the same
thing. At least one U.S. senator comes to mind.
In spite of all the evidence, liberals manage to hang on to their outdated
beliefs. Let's just see if Illinois is suicidal or not.