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  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 19, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    Duckhunter. Please pay close attention to what I said. I never implied or said that all students and athletes at BYU ignore the honor code. What I said, and was very clear about, is that BYU is no different than any other school when it comes to drugs, alcohol, premarital sex, etc. So when Missouri alludes that there is a higher standard that BYU players, fans and students live by. I kindly took exception to this and pointed out that there is no difference between what is said and what actually takes place. Universally, no, but I never claimed that to be the case. A hypocrite is a hypocrite.

    GO UTES!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    Tajemnica
    Santa Monica, CA

    "Sunday play may have played a factor but it was not the biggest issue for the BIG 12. It was for the PAC 10 though."

    No, it wasn't, Tajemnica. You made that up to feel better about the fact that the Pac-12 never considered byu. The Pac-10 presidents and chancellors were very clear about the criteria they were looking for in a potential target and byu didn't measure up.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 16, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    @wookie

    It is obvious what he is saying, the majority of BYU students and athletes do uphold the honorcode and the proof is that so few of them are ever punished for breaking it, that means they haven't. Sure there might be an instance or two where someone just got away with something but your below the belt claim that " BYU is no different from any other school as far as things that their students and players do" is the one deserving to be called out.

    Perhaps you should clarify yourself on this so we can all know you are not simply misquoting yourself? Is it really your contention that all of the athletes at BYU, or even a large majority of them, are drinking, taking drugs, and having premarital sex, in the same percentages as "any other school" despite the fact most of them are LDS and all of them have signed an honor code explicitly saying they will not do those things?

    If so where did you get the evidence that you are using to besmirch several hundred young athletes at BYU?

    I'm willing to bet you have none. How low of you.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    May 16, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    @ Wookie...

    I do take exception to the blanket statement that BYU students/fans/athletes do not live their standards.

    I did go to BYU
    You are correct that I did not attend parties where people were misbehaving and violating the honor code. None of my friends ever invited me to one of those parties. Seems like we are always having fun doing things that didn't violate the honor code.
    I do know people who got sideways with the honor code.
    I know significantly more people whose behavior is consistent with the values they profess to follow. Nearly all of these people are BYU fans. I did have a grandfather who cheered for Utah he was a good guy too. As far as I know he didn't go to the wild parties either....

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    May 16, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    wookie.... Seems like someone has a little bit of a complex with BYU. I didn't say BYU fans were better behaved. I didn't say that BYU students were somehow superior...

    BYU students, fans and athletes are all imperfect people who can and will make poor choices. It is a fact, howver, that BYU has never been sanctioned by the NCAA for activities that are violation of the rules all the universities are supposed to operate within. The list of schools that have not been sanctioned is less than 3. Utah by the way is not on that list....

    It is also a fact that BYU student Athletes agree to and are held to a higher standard than what would be expected at most other schools. To suggest that because some student athletes misbehave the standard doesn't exist is not rational.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    @Cougarontheprowl,

    Yes, Utah was backup plan for the Pac 12.

    And byu wasn't even a possible backup possibility for the pac 12.

    And apparently the Big 12 doesn't see byU as a viable back up plan either, since even though they want a title game they'd rather stick with 10 teams and not have a title game if having a title game meant having to invite byU.

    Utah was a backup plan

    and byU is apparently not even that.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 15, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan:

    "Texas (2nd best team in Big 12, in nearly every pre-season top 25 list for 2014)"

    Which preseason publications would that be? I hadn't seen any.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 15, 2014 7:58 p.m.

    TXAfghanVet:

    "All that and the Cougs were still able to out recruit the mighty utes."

    Yeah...like back in 2007. But according to Rivals, it's been all Utah since then.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 15, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    We(the pac 12) told byu no
    The big 12 tells byu no every day essentially by not offering
    the ACC has now told byu no
    The SEC is about to tell byu no

    I'm seeing a pattern,

    And I love it!

    We are IN
    byU is OUT

    Chris,

    Utah only got in after other teams backed out, they weren't even the PAC 10 top choice so they were basically last resort and backed in after other teams bailed. Add in the fact that Utah probably won't win more then 4 or 5 games a year and they are seen as nothing more a bottom dweller in the PAC 12 or in other words irrelevant. You see you still have to win consistently if you want to be relevant and Utah wont especially without a QB.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    May 15, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    BYU has always taken a strong position that values come first. Athletic success does not drive the boat. In recent history BYU has suspended several players for violations of the honor code even though the impact on approaching games would most certainly be negative. The activities of the players were not illegal. Just not up to BYU's standards. Compare that to recent events where a player was cited for stealing and he was suspended for an entire 4 days during the offseason... Or another school where under the tenure of a coach with ties to Utah have 55 players spend time in jail either before, during or after being a part of the schools football team. There is a reason why BYU has never been sanctioned by the NCAA. That may not be worth much to the "Power Conferences" but making Athletic decisions based on integrity is important where it counts the most.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    I am so glad that chris b has daily conversations with Big 12 and PAC officials and that he has the answers to all of the mysteries and ins and outs or the Big 12 and PAC football. We are so lucky to have such an expert among us. I think that he should be their spokesman.

  • Me, Myself and I The Promised Land, UT
    May 15, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    I have to laugh at the ridiculousness that enters these threads. BYU fans trolling Utah fans on Utah comment boards, Utah fans trolling BYU fans on BYU comment boards. Yet neither side notices or takes responsibility when they do it to the other. Chris B. doesn't have a clue and if you haven't figured that out, you're probably one of the same people who troll the Utah threads and cray about how all Utah fans troll BYU threads. Ignorance and naivety truly are contagious. LOL!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    jarkarus,

    What does it make Utah?

    It makes a team in the bottom third of power conference teams.

    And you're below that - thus the exclusion from the power conferences

    We have a great opportunity to improve and move into the top third of all programs. You do not. know why?

    Your a mid-major, with "mid" being the focus, more so than the "major"

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 15, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    jarka-rus,
    The Utes have struggled to make inroads in their conference but they did beat #5 Stanford.
    The fact that byu is owned by the Utes and the other Power conference teams that they've played is proof that they don't belong.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    May 15, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    If Byu is a "mid major" team as you Utesies seem to claim then what does that make a 2 yr bowlless 2-7 Pac bottom dwelling Ute team?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 15, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    "Comments about ‘CougarLinks: Is BYU 'the cleanest homeless man in college football'?’"

    jarka-rus
    Stick to the subject.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    May 15, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Chris B
    We are in Byu is out
    Were you talking about bowl games in the last 2 years? You surely couldn't be talking about that
    LOL

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 15, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    That's an even better spin on a dismal schedule than Rico's version. Well done!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 15, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    ACC and SEC both said no to BYU today. Cougarboard now in full-on meltdown.

    RIP BYU Football
    1972 - 2104

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    May 15, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    Missouri loves BYU

    "I would much rather have BYU dancing as an independent and maintain its unique position than compromise and accept an invite to prom with a conference that doesn't share the same values may end up throwing up in BYU's lap before the night is over."

    You've got your wish.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    We(the pac 12) told byu no
    The big 12 tells byu no every day essentially by not offering
    the ACC has now told byu no
    The SEC is about to tell byu no

    I'm seeing a pattern,

    And I love it!

    We are IN
    byU is OUT

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    @ekute

    Spin it however you want but the fact is that BYU has a larger fan base than your utes. Your right most of it is LDS. Who cares? Play to your strengths.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    When byu is accepted into one of the four power conferences, they will instantly win championships in every sport every year.
    Can't wait.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Tajemnica,
    byu sports has excellent viewership within the worldwide LDS community, still, not enough to impress the Power Conferences.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 15, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    What is meant by the term "cleanest"? I would ask if that statement is based on what they say or what they do because what they (BYU fans and players) say and what they do are in a lot of instances are complete opposites. I think that BYU espouses to do the things they publish (i.e., honor code) but people make mistakes and are human as we've seen with Max Hall, Unga, Davies, etc... Thus, I would call it a program like Boise or Fresno that just didn't warrant an invite into a larger more prestigious conference. To call it the cleanest is not accurate.

    Go UTES!!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    RE: Uncle Rico

    “BYU's 2014 Schedule:

    Virginia (worst team in ACC in 2013: 2-10, only wins VMI and BYU)
    Cal (worst team in Pac-12 in 2013: 1-11, only win was against Portland State)
    Texas (overrated team who did not have 1 player drafted in 2014)”

    How about this…

    BYU’s 2014 Schedule

    Texas (2nd best team in Big 12, in nearly every pre-season top 25 list for 2014)
    Utah State (best team in MWC, won their bowl game against ranked opponent)
    Central Florida (best team in AAC, won BCS bowl in 2013, finished season ranked #10 ahead of every PAC12 team but Oregon)
    Boise State (3rd in MWC, has been bowling 12 straight seasons, including 2 recent BCS bowls)

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    RE: SoonerUte

    “For the entire 14 years of the BCS, BYU was categorized as a mid-major team. Vanquish The Foe publishes a "Top 10 Mid-Major Ranking" just so they can feature BYU. Why are fans suddenly upset that the SEC agrees with the BCS and VTF by calling BYU a mid-major team?”

    First, there were 15 years of BCS (1998-2012). Second, I had to google the Vanguish the Foe rankings to see what you were talking about (since they are a local blog site). Sure enough, for 2013 BYU made the list at #8 (there was no list for any other year). That’s pretty solid evidence for your claim. If you want actual numbers from national media we can look at Sagarin rankings which show that BYU was ranked higher than Utah (8-7) during the BCS era. I don’t dispute that BYU is considered by some to be mid-major, but I would argue that BYU is more of a national brand than Utah is.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    RE: Chris B.

    “Byu does not add enough value, like Utah did to the Pac 12, to justify adding byu to the big 12.”

    What value is that? The conference of champions has 39 total national titles in the only two sports that Utah trolls care about (football, 23; and basketball, 16). However, since Utah joined the PAC12 in 2011, the conference has exactly ZERO total titles. In the minor sports there has also been a drop in total titles. Utah’s television ratings for bowl games are at an all-time low, as are their NCAA tourney ratings (0 viewers and 0 viewers).

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    @ekute

    Yeah nobody is impressed with (their) ESPN deal. That's why they were ranked 57 in total viewership last year. Higher than a handful of P5 teams and nearly twice as many viewers as utah. Did you know that Utah State pulls in more average viewers than utah? and by 70,000 per game? Now that is saying something. Ohio, SMU, Air Force, Northern Illinois, Fresno St., Virginia, Maryland, etc. All also have higher average viewership than utah. Apparantly very few outside salt lake city care about watching utah play. But yeah I guess the fact that BYU pulls in twice as many average viewers as utah means nobody is impressed with the ESPN deal. Being only 18,000 average viewers more than Iowa St. is something you can be proud of.

    BYU and utah fans can start tooting their horns when they get to the 2.2 million USC and UCLA pull in each week. Until then enjoy irrelevance outside SLC.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    Cougsndaawgs,

    While I agree that it was broadcast rights that hindered the Big12 deal for BYU, I don't see why you and other BYU fans still believe that broadcast facility was built primarily for sports. Sports makes up a very small portion of the broadcast content on BYUtv and always will. BYUtv was created by the Church prior to BYU's football independence and when Elder Eyring dedicated the facility he didn't say one single word about sports programming.

    If I read right what you are saying, you love independence, because your team gets to pump up it's record playing cupcakes and then throw in the occasional tough opponent just to remain respectable. The problem is, that type of schedule is exactly why BYU is losing respect by conferences like the ACC and SEC. Even Notre Dame, who has no trouble scheduling anybody, saw the importance of conference affiliation and now has a partial affiliation with the ACC. Maybe BYU needs to look hard at being willing to compromise the broadcast rights. BYUtv will be just fine without a few sporting events.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    A lot of eyebrows were rightfully raised when byu went independent. They're not the prestigious school that they arrogantly thought they were. Nobody is impressed by they're espn deal.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    ACC just announced byu is a mid-major and will be treated like all mid-majors and will NOT be counted as a power conference team with an exception!

    Huge blow to the collective provo ego and the future quest for relevance!

  • Krispy Zadoosh Salt Lake, UT
    May 15, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    Chis B.
    "So given that most byu fans who will admit it, want to be in a big time conference, the choice is entirely out of byu's hands."

    That makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it.

    When have "fans" had any control over what a University does or doesn't do in regard to conference affiliation?

    Proud PAC 12 member
    Happy we get to play Utah and Colorado

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Darren Rowe "Sunday play". Tajemnica "broadcast rights".

    The primary reason BYU did not receive an invite to the Big 12 was TCU.

    The Big 12 was trying to survive as a conference. Which applicant would you pick?
    TCU: "Thank you for recognizing our recent accomplishments. We'd be honored to help stabilize the conference. How can we help?"
    BYU: "Well of course you want us to join your conference, since we have a 1984 NC trophy. We'll need better television rights than Texas. No Sunday play is a given. Is even split of revenue an absolute? Our cut should reflect a world-wide fan base. Is your conference even going to be around next year? We'll probably go independent and establish ourselves as the Notre Dame of the West."

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    Missouri loves BYU:
    I love the prom analogy.

    Utah is like the homely zit pocket girl your mom made you say yes to in order to be nice. BYU is the hot girl that will say no to all your advances so she doesn't get invited. Utah won't say no to anything their date (PAC12) wants because they're just happy to be there. As for them ever winning a FB championship in the PAC I liken it to what George Costanza said when he saw lobster on the menu at the coffee shop..."why would they bring lobster in here? Do they bring it in in everyday thinking 'Today's the day' (crossing fingers)".

    I also agree with those who've stated it was broadcast rights that kept BYU out of the Big 12. BYU had invested all this money into BYUtv including a state of the art broadcast building. They weren't just going to hand that over, especially considering the Big 12 was in shambles when they approached BYU. I want independence as long as it is viable, because Utah has shown that it isn't always worth selling out to get your behind kicked every weekend.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    Darren,

    Here is the first line from an ESPN article on January 31 2013 titled "Big 12 wants waiver to host title game"

    "Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby says the league likely will seek permission from the NCAA to hold a championship game even though it doesn't have the 12 members required under the current rules"

    Ouch!

  • TXAfghanVet Dallas, TX
    May 15, 2014 7:09 a.m.

    All that and the Cougs were still able to out recruit the mighty utes. I'd say there are two points to be made here. First, BYU probably needs to end up in one of the five large conferences eventurally (unless anti-trust lawsuits start raining from the sky. Could happen). My guess is that it won't be the PAC, given their bias against faith based schools (or Baylor would be in and Utah would still be in the Mountain West). And second, Utah's program has only moved in the wrong direction since moving to the PAC 10.2. Perhaps the time of the ute fan would be better spent lobbying their own favorite institution to step up their program before its only remaining "natural rival" is Virginia, and spend less time commenting on articles about a school that shouldn't be cared about by members of such a prestigious power conference.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    @soonerute

    I think you'd better use a better example than Yale. Sure they have a lot of National Championships but they also have a $20+ billion dollar endowment meaning they are almost 40 times more wealthy than the utes so they do not need the money. Plus, everyone knows who Yale is not because of their athletic programs but because of academics. They definately don't need the exposure and 99% of high school atheletes could not afford to go there anyway.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    @Darren Rowe

    The Sunday play factor was not the main reason for the lack of invite from the BIG 12, it was actually BYUtv and BYUs refusal to compromise on broadcast rights. Sunday play may have played a factor but it was not the biggest issue for the BIG 12. It was for the PAC 10 though.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    May 14, 2014 11:56 p.m.

    Uncle Rico sounds like it would have been a good year to play the Utes since their record fits right in there with Virginia and Cal. BYU is getting better while the Utes are getting worse…much worse. And I'll bet you can throw the football a quarter mile too.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    May 14, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Chris B

    It's not that the Big 12 wants a title game but doesn't want BYU to help them, it's that they don't want a title game. Period. They've expressed that multiple times.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 14, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    BYU's 2014 Schedule:

    Virginia (worst team in ACC in 2013: 2-10, only wins VMI and BYU)
    Cal (worst team in Pac-12 in 2013: 1-11, only win was against Portland State)
    Texas (overrated team who did not have 1 player drafted in 2014)

    That is it.

    BYU plays only 3 teams from power conferences in 2014. 2 of the teams combined for 0 division 1 wins last year (excluding the game against BYU), and the other team did not have even 1 player drafted in the NFL.

    In 2013, the Utes beat BYU again. Utah also beat a power conference champion, that finished ranked in the top 10 (Stanford). When was the last time BYU did that?

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    May 14, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    Being in one of the Major conferences could be compared to having a date to the prom. And just like in high school just because you have a date to the prom doesn't mean you were the best looking, smartest or most likeable person. It dosen't even mean you will have a good time. It just means you have a date to the prom. BYU isn't the right date for every conference. Just like the BYU honor code is not the right fit for every college athlete. I would much rather have BYU dancing as an independent and maintain its unique position than compromise and accept an invite to prom with a conference that doesn't share the same values may end up throwing up in BYU's lap before the night is over.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    @ Darren Rowe

    The big problem with BYU is TV and rebroadcast rights. Sunday play is an issue, but it's definitely not the biggest problem.

    As for this: "but things ended before they really started due to Sunday play and not being a classless party school like the rest of the Pac-12."

    Those are just sour grapes. The PAC-12 is full of highly respected and prestigious institutions. Calling Stanford and Berkley "classless party schools", really?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 14, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    Belonging to a "power conference" is the proverbial shiny object that cb and his buddies keep touting in order to take the attention off of a bottom dweller (that would be utah) that looks to be bowless (is that a word??) for the foreseeable future.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    If we are awarding "major" status to BYU because they have one national title, then lets promote Yale which has 26 more national titles than BYU.

    For the entire 14 years of the BCS, BYU was categorized as a mid-major team. Vanquish The Foe publishes a "Top 10 Mid-Major Ranking" just so they can feature BYU. Why are fans suddenly upset that the SEC agrees with the BCS and VTF by calling BYU a mid-major team?

  • Challenge to the Foe Fargo, ND
    May 14, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    Lifelong:

    I didn't say 10 wins would open doors for BYU this season. I said it possibly could down the road. BYU can use the model Utah used to get into the PAC (yes, I'm one of those rare Cougar fans who believe Utah played their way in). When Utah and TCU played a few years ago both ranked in the top 5, there was serious national buzz of what the have-not teams are capable of. If BYU bottles that type of lightning enough times, they can go the route of Utah and TCU.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    May 14, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Wait CHris B. I think I agree with you! Saints be praised! I for one would like to have the Cougars in a major conference. It would make things allot easier for scheduling. I would not like to lose the games with Utah or Utah State though. With the Utes canceling their in state games it will hurt their chances to go bowling even more. If they don't win this year I think it's good bye Kyle!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    @Challenge - You think a 10 win season this year may open the door to a power conference? How funny. Why didn't the last 10 win season open that door for you? Or with how much everyone respects 1984, why hasn't that opened the door for you? The doors are closed to your school because the conferences have plenty of reasons not to invite you. YOu think the reasons for not inviting byu will suddenly go away with a 10 win season against a horrible schedule?

    Notre Dame knows that a school must play a ton of games against power conference teams to ever be included in a possible playoff stop. BYU knows it too, but not many power conference teams care to help byu out. You're simply not that attractive of an opponent. If the Pac 12 or Big 12 or ACC or Big 10 or SEC offered byu a similar deal as what the ACC has to Notre DAme, byu would jump all over it, just as byu would jump over an invite to a big conference.

    But no offers for any such thing huh?

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    @Darren Rose,

    Please don't tell me you really buy the sunday issue for why the Big 12 didn't invite you.

    The big 12 knew that byu would never play on Sundays. Your claims of how the conversations likely went suggest that the big 12 went into the conversations hoping to convince byu to start playing sundays. That is 100% false. Everyone knows byu will not nor will they ever play on Sundays. And that's fine, I can respect their decision.

    So if the Big 12 was willing to have conversations with byu, it was with full knowledge that sunday issue was NOT negotiable. There are plenty of other "issues" with byu.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    Darren Rowe

    You and I seem to be saying the same thing, so I don't see how I would be wrong but you are right.

    The Big 12 doesn't want to invite byu even though the Big 12 wants a title game and needs 12 to have a title game.

    Byu does not add enough value, like Utah did to the Pac 12, to justify adding byu to the big 12.

    They would rather NOT play a title game(even though they want to) than invite byu.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 14, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    Darren Rowe
    Heber City, UT

    it has mostly been our choice not to join a big conference.

    ------------

    Simply amazes me how BYU fans actually believe this is true. If you think BYU has had every opportunity to get in a P5 conference, but has elected to stay out, that is the sheerest form of ignorance and denial.

    Yes, BYU has largely chosen to remain out of other mid-major conferences. But there is zero truth to the idea they are actively keeping themselves out of power conferences.

    None of the P5 conferences have issued BYU an invite. NONE. Yet it's because BYU has said no? How laughable.

    Totally makes sense, too. BYU is repeatedly getting slammed for mid-majoritis amid the changing landscape of CFB... yet they still choose to remain on the outside. Right.

    BYU is always talking about negative issues of being outside the P5... like the SEC exception, scheduling, bowl games, revenue, getting access to the BCS/Playoff. So you would have us believe that, despite how being an independent is so unquestionably detrimental to BYU, they are simply CHOOSING to remain in that disadvantageous position.

    Ha ha ha. That's rich.

  • Challenge to the Foe Fargo, ND
    May 14, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    Chris and Lifelong:

    BYU is not in a bad position at all. After they win 10+ games this year, scheduling against elite competition in the following years will be easier to come by. This will either open the door to an elite conference (like the route Utah took), or at the very least allow for greater exposure, with the hope that BYU will eventually bust into the playoffs or a top tier bowl.

    Notre Dame is doubling down by partially aligning with the ACC. BYU doesn't have to be in a position like that yet.

    Rise Up!

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    May 14, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Chris B

    The Big 12 has repeatedly expressed how happy they are at 10 and how they don't feel like adding two teams and a title game would make up for the loss of splitting the financial pie two more times. So I have no idea where you got your information, but it's wrong.

    Also, it has mostly been our choice not to join a big conference. The Pac-12 was briefly interested in BYU, but things ended before they really started due to Sunday play and not being a classless party school like the rest of the Pac-12.

    Talks with the Big 12 were very serious, and while I do not have inside information, it appeared that Sunday play is all that came between BYU and the Big 12. We also got an official offer from the Big East while they were a power conference, and we turned it down. It has absolutely been our choice.

    Also, I would like to point out that the first comments on this article for a "mid-major team" (according to Chris B) came from fans of the mighty cellar-dweller of the "Conference of Never Football or Basketball Champions". Obsessed much?

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    May 14, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    death, taxes, and ute trolls on byu pages

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    "The Cougars are still on the outside looking in when it comes to the Big Boys of college football"

    Enough said

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    "cleanest"

    I guess if you want to spin in that way.

    Or you could spin it as "byu is one of the most baggage heavy institutions of all of college football" and their desirability is only half of what it is in the minds of byu fans.

    The Pac 12 has already said no many times but not inviting byu
    The big 12 is daily saying no by not inviting them(even though they really want a title game they'd rather not have a title game if it meant having to invite byu)
    The SEC is about to say no you don't deserve an exception any more than Utah state or boise or fresno deserve an exception - you're a mid major like they are

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    "That's been their choice, for the most part"

    Not really. byu fans for the majority want to be in a real conference, as they can see that the divide between the power conferences and the rest is growing and we're moving towards power conferences being division 1 with sole access to the playoffs and national title. So given that most byu fans who will admit it, want to be in a big time conference, the choice is entirely out of byu's hands.

    Division II(the small conferences and byu) can form their own playoffs or whatever, we don't care. And no, there are no laws that will prevent this and save byu, just as there are no laws that make it so San Diego State can compete for the Pac 12 title or South Florida for the SEC title, even if those teams want access to those things.

    Just as the current rules say you have to be a Pac 12 member or SEC member to win the Pac 12 and play in the Pac 12 title game or SEC title game, so it will be with playoffs.