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Published: Wednesday, May 14 2014 11:20 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"That's been their choice, for the most part"

Not really. byu fans for the majority want to be in a real conference, as they can see that the divide between the power conferences and the rest is growing and we're moving towards power conferences being division 1 with sole access to the playoffs and national title. So given that most byu fans who will admit it, want to be in a big time conference, the choice is entirely out of byu's hands.

Division II(the small conferences and byu) can form their own playoffs or whatever, we don't care. And no, there are no laws that will prevent this and save byu, just as there are no laws that make it so San Diego State can compete for the Pac 12 title or South Florida for the SEC title, even if those teams want access to those things.

Just as the current rules say you have to be a Pac 12 member or SEC member to win the Pac 12 and play in the Pac 12 title game or SEC title game, so it will be with playoffs.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


I guess if you want to spin in that way.

Or you could spin it as "byu is one of the most baggage heavy institutions of all of college football" and their desirability is only half of what it is in the minds of byu fans.

The Pac 12 has already said no many times but not inviting byu
The big 12 is daily saying no by not inviting them(even though they really want a title game they'd rather not have a title game if it meant having to invite byu)
The SEC is about to say no you don't deserve an exception any more than Utah state or boise or fresno deserve an exception - you're a mid major like they are

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

"The Cougars are still on the outside looking in when it comes to the Big Boys of college football"

Enough said

Provo, UT

death, taxes, and ute trolls on byu pages

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

Chris B

The Big 12 has repeatedly expressed how happy they are at 10 and how they don't feel like adding two teams and a title game would make up for the loss of splitting the financial pie two more times. So I have no idea where you got your information, but it's wrong.

Also, it has mostly been our choice not to join a big conference. The Pac-12 was briefly interested in BYU, but things ended before they really started due to Sunday play and not being a classless party school like the rest of the Pac-12.

Talks with the Big 12 were very serious, and while I do not have inside information, it appeared that Sunday play is all that came between BYU and the Big 12. We also got an official offer from the Big East while they were a power conference, and we turned it down. It has absolutely been our choice.

Also, I would like to point out that the first comments on this article for a "mid-major team" (according to Chris B) came from fans of the mighty cellar-dweller of the "Conference of Never Football or Basketball Champions". Obsessed much?

Challenge to the Foe
Fargo, ND

Chris and Lifelong:

BYU is not in a bad position at all. After they win 10+ games this year, scheduling against elite competition in the following years will be easier to come by. This will either open the door to an elite conference (like the route Utah took), or at the very least allow for greater exposure, with the hope that BYU will eventually bust into the playoffs or a top tier bowl.

Notre Dame is doubling down by partially aligning with the ACC. BYU doesn't have to be in a position like that yet.

Rise Up!

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

it has mostly been our choice not to join a big conference.


Simply amazes me how BYU fans actually believe this is true. If you think BYU has had every opportunity to get in a P5 conference, but has elected to stay out, that is the sheerest form of ignorance and denial.

Yes, BYU has largely chosen to remain out of other mid-major conferences. But there is zero truth to the idea they are actively keeping themselves out of power conferences.

None of the P5 conferences have issued BYU an invite. NONE. Yet it's because BYU has said no? How laughable.

Totally makes sense, too. BYU is repeatedly getting slammed for mid-majoritis amid the changing landscape of CFB... yet they still choose to remain on the outside. Right.

BYU is always talking about negative issues of being outside the P5... like the SEC exception, scheduling, bowl games, revenue, getting access to the BCS/Playoff. So you would have us believe that, despite how being an independent is so unquestionably detrimental to BYU, they are simply CHOOSING to remain in that disadvantageous position.

Ha ha ha. That's rich.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Darren Rowe

You and I seem to be saying the same thing, so I don't see how I would be wrong but you are right.

The Big 12 doesn't want to invite byu even though the Big 12 wants a title game and needs 12 to have a title game.

Byu does not add enough value, like Utah did to the Pac 12, to justify adding byu to the big 12.

They would rather NOT play a title game(even though they want to) than invite byu.

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

@Darren Rose,

Please don't tell me you really buy the sunday issue for why the Big 12 didn't invite you.

The big 12 knew that byu would never play on Sundays. Your claims of how the conversations likely went suggest that the big 12 went into the conversations hoping to convince byu to start playing sundays. That is 100% false. Everyone knows byu will not nor will they ever play on Sundays. And that's fine, I can respect their decision.

So if the Big 12 was willing to have conversations with byu, it was with full knowledge that sunday issue was NOT negotiable. There are plenty of other "issues" with byu.

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT

@Challenge - You think a 10 win season this year may open the door to a power conference? How funny. Why didn't the last 10 win season open that door for you? Or with how much everyone respects 1984, why hasn't that opened the door for you? The doors are closed to your school because the conferences have plenty of reasons not to invite you. YOu think the reasons for not inviting byu will suddenly go away with a 10 win season against a horrible schedule?

Notre Dame knows that a school must play a ton of games against power conference teams to ever be included in a possible playoff stop. BYU knows it too, but not many power conference teams care to help byu out. You're simply not that attractive of an opponent. If the Pac 12 or Big 12 or ACC or Big 10 or SEC offered byu a similar deal as what the ACC has to Notre DAme, byu would jump all over it, just as byu would jump over an invite to a big conference.

But no offers for any such thing huh?

West Jordan, UT

Wait CHris B. I think I agree with you! Saints be praised! I for one would like to have the Cougars in a major conference. It would make things allot easier for scheduling. I would not like to lose the games with Utah or Utah State though. With the Utes canceling their in state games it will hurt their chances to go bowling even more. If they don't win this year I think it's good bye Kyle!

Challenge to the Foe
Fargo, ND


I didn't say 10 wins would open doors for BYU this season. I said it possibly could down the road. BYU can use the model Utah used to get into the PAC (yes, I'm one of those rare Cougar fans who believe Utah played their way in). When Utah and TCU played a few years ago both ranked in the top 5, there was serious national buzz of what the have-not teams are capable of. If BYU bottles that type of lightning enough times, they can go the route of Utah and TCU.

Salt Lake City, UT

If we are awarding "major" status to BYU because they have one national title, then lets promote Yale which has 26 more national titles than BYU.

For the entire 14 years of the BCS, BYU was categorized as a mid-major team. Vanquish The Foe publishes a "Top 10 Mid-Major Ranking" just so they can feature BYU. Why are fans suddenly upset that the SEC agrees with the BCS and VTF by calling BYU a mid-major team?

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Belonging to a "power conference" is the proverbial shiny object that cb and his buddies keep touting in order to take the attention off of a bottom dweller (that would be utah) that looks to be bowless (is that a word??) for the foreseeable future.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Darren Rowe

The big problem with BYU is TV and rebroadcast rights. Sunday play is an issue, but it's definitely not the biggest problem.

As for this: "but things ended before they really started due to Sunday play and not being a classless party school like the rest of the Pac-12."

Those are just sour grapes. The PAC-12 is full of highly respected and prestigious institutions. Calling Stanford and Berkley "classless party schools", really?

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

Being in one of the Major conferences could be compared to having a date to the prom. And just like in high school just because you have a date to the prom doesn't mean you were the best looking, smartest or most likeable person. It dosen't even mean you will have a good time. It just means you have a date to the prom. BYU isn't the right date for every conference. Just like the BYU honor code is not the right fit for every college athlete. I would much rather have BYU dancing as an independent and maintain its unique position than compromise and accept an invite to prom with a conference that doesn't share the same values may end up throwing up in BYU's lap before the night is over.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

BYU's 2014 Schedule:

Virginia (worst team in ACC in 2013: 2-10, only wins VMI and BYU)
Cal (worst team in Pac-12 in 2013: 1-11, only win was against Portland State)
Texas (overrated team who did not have 1 player drafted in 2014)

That is it.

BYU plays only 3 teams from power conferences in 2014. 2 of the teams combined for 0 division 1 wins last year (excluding the game against BYU), and the other team did not have even 1 player drafted in the NFL.

In 2013, the Utes beat BYU again. Utah also beat a power conference champion, that finished ranked in the top 10 (Stanford). When was the last time BYU did that?

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

Chris B

It's not that the Big 12 wants a title game but doesn't want BYU to help them, it's that they don't want a title game. Period. They've expressed that multiple times.

West Jordan, UT

Uncle Rico sounds like it would have been a good year to play the Utes since their record fits right in there with Virginia and Cal. BYU is getting better while the Utes are getting worse…much worse. And I'll bet you can throw the football a quarter mile too.

Santa Monica, CA

@Darren Rowe

The Sunday play factor was not the main reason for the lack of invite from the BIG 12, it was actually BYUtv and BYUs refusal to compromise on broadcast rights. Sunday play may have played a factor but it was not the biggest issue for the BIG 12. It was for the PAC 10 though.

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