FACTchequer:What? No "cut-&-paste" quote from Coach
Christensen?I thought not. Utah has no "heir apparent", and
YOU were the one who's been suffereing from a "lack of
FACTchequer:"That lack of comprehension is clearly on your end.
Dave Christensen's statements during spring ball clearly indicate that
Thompson is his most likely starting QB."Clearly the lack of
comprehension was on your end. Please provide us a cut-&-paste quote from
Christensen that suggests Thompson is Utah's "heir apparent". "Wilson was labeled the #1 QB coming out of spring ball, with the
caveate [sic] that the competition wouldn't really start until Thompson
arrived on campus, clearly indicating that spring ball merely determined the
pecking order for Thompson's backup."So your point
is....what? That Utah doesn't have an "heir apparent" under
center? How does that refute a single thing I said?
Not sure why anyone assumes Mangum would transfer? By the time Taysom the Tater
graduates, Mangum would compete for the starting job as a Redshirt Sophomore. 3
years of eligibility is plenty of time. And he'd be the favorite and his
job to loose. Always love the Yew fans that have to comment on every Y article
under the sun. Especially when its about a backup quarterback who will be
comming from a JC in a year
navelvetThat lack of comprehension is clearly on your end. Dave
Christensen's statements during spring ball clearly indicate that Thompson
is his most likely starting QB. Wilson was labeled the #1 QB coming out of
spring ball, with the caveate that the competition wouldn't really start
until Thompson arrived on campus, clearly indicating that spring ball merely
determined the pecking order for Thompson's backup.
BigCougar:I'm aware of how good Mangum played in the spring, I was
there. A good friend of mine on the graduate staff simply said he struggled at
times during spring practices, and there was a huge difference between
Taysom's play and Mangum's. I trust what he says, but Mangum was also
a freshman. Bottom line: no one is given the starting job on a silver
platter...he'll have to earn it.
@Navel Lint"And how does it seem that way to you? The article stated
pretty clearly that "[Hosick] has not been contacted by the University of
Utah." So doesn't that seem more like it's Utah who doesn't
seem to be the least bit interested in Hosick?"What it sounds
like is the writer has a ute obsession in bringing up the utes and what is
glaringly missing is even a mention of Utah by Hosick. So what it sounds like is
Hosick didn't even consider Utah either. The fact that he doesn't even
mention the utes despite visiting a school IN the state of Utah certainly seems
like he might not even be aware that there are any other football schools of
interest in the state of Utah.As for the ute QB situation,
didn't Kyle say Wilson and Schulz were in the upper echelon of Pac12 QBs?
(sound of laughter stifling) Say no more or you'll cause milk to squirt out
of my nose!
@Navel Lint"You don't get credit for "recruiting" a
4-star kid. You only get credit for "signing" one. I'd actually
give credit for a "verbal commitment" ....Rivals also notes that Utah is
recruiting this kid too, as are about ten other schools from "Power 5"
leagues. If he's not LDS, you can forget about him. "Isn't that what many ute fans and writers did in trying to make excuses
for Kyle's major gaff thinking that a fragile Jordan Wynn and a DII backup
would be good enough for the first 2 awesome seasons in the Pac12? All we heard
from whining ute fans and ute apologists was how Derrick Brown changed his mind
and committed to Arizona and how Michael Eubank "showed interest" in
Utah and then committed to ASU and that's why the QB cupboards were bare
(insinuating it wasn't Kyle's fault). Sounds very much like taking
credit for recruiting someone but not signing them.Also, with the
notion that if the recruit's not LDS and has Power 5 schools interested in
him that BYU can forget about him, apparently you haven't heard of Jamaal
Williams, Devon Blackmon, Nick Kurtz, etc...
Snack WAC (cont):So if Wilson ended Spring Camp at #1, and his
"current" prognosis is favorable that he WILL return in the Fall, and he
HADN'T yet beaten out Thompson -- who the coaching staff said they wanted
to get a good look at, and is "expected" to compete for the starting job
-- how is anything I said inaccurate or confusing in any way?"Doesn't your statement, by definition, suggest that an unproven
transfer that only completed 4 passes for 15 yards last season is Utah's
'heir apparent' at QB?"No. It doesn't. Thompson
did not finish the Spring at #1 on the depth chart like Wilson. If Wilson is
not cleared to play, then Manning moves up from #2, and Thompson would still
have to beat HIM out for the starting job. That's 3 QBs with a shot at the
#1 job, and we hadn't even started Fall camp yet. So how could there be an
"heir apparent" when we don't even know who will be showing up in
@Idablu and Wiscougarfan"I'm not sure about your data but ESPN
has Hosick's 40 at 4.80 and Rivals records a 4.65. He has been rated both a
3-star and a 4-star.I can't remember the source but I have read that
Hill can do a 4.45."and if he had gone to Utah his 4.65 speed
would've instantly improved to 4.3
Snack WAC:"Your statement makes absolutely no sense. If Wilson
is Utah's returning starting QB, sans not being cleared medically, then why
would Travis have to 'beat out' a transfer who didn't even play
in spring ball?"There was nothing wrong with my statement. The
problem was your comprehension. My point was that there was no "heir
apparent". It can't be said any plainer than that.As for
Wilson, he HADN'T been cleared yet...and the "key word" there is
"YET"! Additionally, Thompson WILL be given a look to compete for the
starting position in the Fall. Both Whittingham and Christiansen said so.
There can be no legitimate argument to the contrary. If Wilson -- who is NOT
the "heir apparent" as he hadn't yet beaten out Thompson -- IS
cleared to play, he WILL need to beat out Thompson. If he is NOT cleared,
Thompson is STILL not the "heir apparent" because he'd have to beat
out Manning. After Spring camp, Wilson was listed as #1, and Manning at #2.
@Proudute"Then please explain how/why Ammon Olsen left leaving the QB
shelf absolutely barren if Hill goes down."He left because,
unlike Kyle, Bronco understands the importance of having NFL caliber talent at
QB. You're not going to win using Div II QB's or expecting 165 lb
fragile kids to make it through a Pac 12 conference schedule (not just once but
twice). Especially when the program is going through its 7th Offensive
Coordinator in 9 yrs.Olsen saw that Hill has elite speed and an NFL
arm and did the math. Barring an injury Ammon wasn't going to get any
Wiscougarfan:"Recruiting Travis Waller (4 star), Kody Wilstead
(3 star), Eric Dungey (3 star), David Maaghul (2 star)"You
don't get credit for "recruiting" a 4-star kid. You only get
credit for "signing" one. I'd actually give credit for a
"verbal commitment" (albeit not for a "soft verbal"), which you
don't have for Waller.And FWIW, Rivals ranks Waller as a 3-star
anyway. Rivals also notes that Utah is recruiting this kid too, as are about
ten other schools from "Power 5" leagues. If he's not LDS, you can
forget about him. And there's no bragging about bagging a
@CougsnDawgs"Second, Tanner Mangum struggled in his spring here
working out for the team. He didn't exactly light it up, so he will have to
work to earn the starting spot over anyone else."Actually, you
might be remembering wrong. Tanner had a pretty good spring and was 8 for 8
passing in the spring game and I think finished with a string of 19 straight
completions. He clearly stood out amongst the group of Christian Steward, Ammon
Olsen, Billy Green, etc.I don't think he's worried about
any competition when he gets back.
@Ken"Dave Christensen knows all about him and Utah's not
interested?"Hmmm...I didn't read where it said Dave
Christensen knows anything about him. It's pretty clear in the article that
Dave didn't even coach Hosick and was long gone from Mizzou likely well
before Hosick was a recruiting target for anyone. Can you provide a link showing
that Christensen "knows all about him" and is not interested? Besides, didn't Kyle say that QB's Travis Wilson and Adam Schulz are
in the upper echelon of Pac 12 QBs? So with that in mind and the utes being so
loaded at QB, why would they need to waste a scholarship on another one?
According to Kyle they're all set.
Tomahawk RedNorth Salt Lake, UT"Sounds like it worked out
well then, seeing as how Utah didn't even bother to even try and contact
him."Toma...the Utes cupboard is overflowing with, what, seven
QBs? Totally explains why they did not even try...
navel vet"For starters, Wilson hasn't been cleared to play
yet, and he still has to beat out Kendal Thompson in the Fall."Your statement makes absolutely no sense. If Wilson is Utah's returning
starting QB, sans not being cleared medically, then why would Travis have to
"beat out" a transfer who didn't even play in spring ball? Doesn't your statement, by definition, suggest that an unproven
transfer that only completed 4 passes for 15 yards last season is Utah's
"heir apparent" at QB?
Ute fans commenting on a byu QB article is quite hilarious, how many mediocre
Qb's and QB coaches have U gone through lately?
@WiscougarfanI'm not sure about your data but ESPN has
Hosick's 40 at 4.80 and Rivals records a 4.65. He has been rated both a
3-star and a 4-star.I can't remember the source but I have read that
Hill can do a 4.45.
Real competitors are not afraid of the challenge of added talent. They look at
it as a way to refine their own skills and maximize their own potential. If
Tanner is intimidated by this move, better that he does move on. My guess is
that Mangum will take a "bring it on" approach to the challenge and come
back to Provo with an attitude. Since there was no meaningful reference to Utah
in the article, I see no reason to include them in a comment.
Wisccougarfan-- The only problem I see with your list is that Tanner Magnum will
be back for the '15 season although fresh off his mission. I'm fine
with that scenario as long as Hill is back & healthy for his Sr. year.
A stable of quality QB's is a must. Hosick seems like a good dual threat
guy who has some work to do in the throwing dept. Playing at a JC for the year
he has to sit out should help him make those improvements and stay on top of
things. Hosick seems a bit high on himself but I'm willing to chalk that
up to youth and not understanding the fine line between confidence and
arroganceI would think (IMO) Mangum has a higher ceiling and is the better
QB based on his performances before his mission. I'm hoping Hosick's
comment of "if" Tanner returns is just wishful thinking on his part.
I'd much rather see Mangum in the starting role with Hosick as the backup.
Of course, there are things about returning from a mission that need to fall
into place. Mangum is NO Jake Heaps! Humble, hard worker with far more
resiliency. Tanner Mangum should be seen as THE guy to follow Hill
and I'm hoping Hill will be back his Sr. year so both these guys have a
year of tutelage before stepping in as starter.
G-Day-M8 said,"This story has nothing to do with utah or navel
or brave sir or big-12... and I really have zero interest in anything about
them. Kind of like the ugly electrical transformer in the corner of my yard
thats hidden by beautiful shrubs."That might be the best analogy
I have heard about the PAC 10+2/Utah Utes I Have ever heard. Lol.
After reading a half-dozen different articles about Trent Hosick's decision
to transfer to BYU, and reading his various quotes, I am cautiously optimistic.
I appreciate his confidence, but he is assuming he will compete with Tayson for
the starting job his first year at the Y, and then take over the starter's
job after that. I'm sure Bronco didn't promise him the starting job. I
hope this doesn't turn out to be another Heaps/Carlino scenario.
As much as I look forward to seeing what Tanner Magnum can do, you can't
put all your QB eggs in one basket; so the depth and competition will be
healthy. It will give the Cougars at least two contrasting styles of QBs to
Is this about right?2014 BYU quarterback depth chart1. Taysom
Hill (junior), 3 star, 4.5 forty, #30 pro-style2. Christian Stewart
(senior), JC transfer3. Billy Green (sophomore), 2 starOthers.
Hunter Moore (freshman walk-on), 2 starMcCoy Hill (Freshman walk on),
NRBrad Heap (Freshman walk-on), NR20151. Taysom Hill
(senior)2. Trent Hosick (sophomore), 3 star, 4.57 forty, #19 dual
threat3. Kimane Domena (freshman), 3 star, 4.7 forty4. Billy Green
(junior)Recruiting Travis Waller (4 star), Kody Wilstead (3 star), Eric
Dungey (3 star), David Maaghul (2 star)20161. Tanner Mangum
(sophomore), 4 star, #3 pro style, 4.86 forty2. Trent Hosic (junior)3. Billy Green (senior)Recruiting Malik Henry (4 star)
Wow, lots of Ute fans posting. Why is that?
This story has nothing to do with utah or navel or brave sir or big-12... and I
really have zero interest in anything about them. Kind of like the ugly
electrical transformer in the corner of my yard thats hidden by beautiful
If I remember correctly, BYU's quarterback coach Jason Beck (who was a back
up his whole career) heard very early on that Hosick was transferring and made
contact with him. I'm not sure there was time for a lot of programs to hear
about Trent transferring and before Trent, with his family, made the decision to
accept BYU's offer. I like to think it was a good program
working fast to fill a need and closed the deal on a good athlete and a good fit
for BYU's culture. I like Trents confidence, he wants to win,
and sounds a lot like Jake heaps but I hope we see a different outcome with him
than we did with Heaps. I would not put much stock in his comments about Tanner
Mangum. Tanner Mangum is confident in a completely different way but humility is
not a sign of weakness or non-competitive spirit.
Not one Utah fan has a favorable thing to say about Mangum or anyone else going
to Utah. It's about going to a Pac 12 school. The pac 12 is the greatest!!!
souptwins:"...I am concerned about the hints that Mangum might
not keep his commitment to BYU."Where had it ever been reported
that Mangum is looking at transferring? It looks like you're getting
worried over nothing. Mangum will be joining the cougars in
"missionary" condition. That'll work for a midmajor playing small
ball, but not so much for team in an elite "Power 5" league. And as a
former 4-star kid, I'm thinking he wants to play; not sit. Mangum's
not going anywhere.
CordonBleu:"Unlike K Whit, Bronco understands that it's
better to have too much talent at QB, than not enough."That's an interesting comment coming from a fan of a school who for the
2013 season has only 3 QBs: Hill, plus two other unheralded 2-stars.Utah's depth looks something more like 5 "heralded" 3-star kids,
plus a walk-on. This position was so deep, a sixth "heralded" 3-star
kid got moved over to the receiving corps.Keep living in that
blue-goggled fantasyland. It helps take the sting off of that small ball
schedule you're looking at in the Fall.
sammyg:"He sounds confident and it seems like he's not the
least bit interested in the U."And how does it seem that way to
you? The article stated pretty clearly that "[Hosick] has not been
contacted by the University of Utah." So doesn't that seem more like
it's the U who doesn't seem to be the least bit interested in Hosick?
And why WOULD we be? Have you seen the depth we currently have at that spot?
They've already moved ONE signal caller over to the receiving corps.
Looking at YOUR depth....I see a lot more 2-star types. Kinda looks
like his chances of taking the field might be better in Provo, dontcha think?P.S.: Hosick mentioned that Kansas St. would have been a place he
would've fit well in, but that they hadn't shown any interest. He
does sound confident, but he also sounds like a guy who'll have to settle.
Utah never contacted him...K-State wasn't interested...enter the scavenger
cougar coaching staff to pick up the leftovers.
Man, all these Utes commenting are really making me wish BYU was in their
situation. Year after year of losing seasons and no bowl games. Sounds
fantastic! HAHA!Welcome Hosick, and GO COUGARS!
I agree with CSwilliam. It is almost like Tanner Mangum is being
punished for going on a mission, while Bronco courts other QB's.Hosick's comments sound like he is promised the starting position and
Mangum will be the backup to him. I am sure it is wishful thinking but it has
got to make Tanner and his family uneasy.Mangum is NOT another
Heaps. He doesn't bring the ego or entitlement that Heaps had. And he could
fit into Anae's offensive scheme just fine. Someone mentioned that he
didn't show very well at last year's spring practice. On the contrary,
I heard he "wowed" the coaches with his pinpoint passing accuracy.The word on Hosick is that he is very similar to Hill. Good size,
physical runner, but not real accurate in passing. and looking at his 40 time he
is considerably slower than Hill. BYU needs to fill the need for a good back-up
QB for 2014, not 2015. Acquiring Hosick does nothing to meet that need.I
am confused by his attending a JC a year before coming to BYU...
Yikes! Maybe BYU will alternate quarterbacks
CordonBleu:"Sorry to burst your jealous crimson bubble, but
he's better than Utah's QB heir apparent."Utah
doesn't HAVE an "heir apparent". For starters, Wilson hasn't
been cleared to play yet, and he still has to beat out Kendal Thompson in the
Fall. The coaching staff was very clear that they wanted to get a good look at
him, and that he's expected to compete for the starters job. So at this
time, we don't know who'll be under center by Aug. 28th....or any time
after that for that matter.Additionally, Rivals rated Hosick as the
19th-ranked dual-threat QB in the 2013 recruiting class. Thompson was rated as
the 21st-ranked dual-threat QB in the 2011 recruiting class. And while #19
> #21, these two QBs weren't ranked in the same pool, so you really
couldn't conclude who was the better signal caller. And even if tried to
make that reach that #19 (2013) > #21 (2011), Utah STILL gets the edge since
Wilson was ranked the #11 pro-style QB in the 2012 class.Sorry to
burst YOUR blue fantasy bubble.
Quarterback is an important position. BYU generally has several very good
quarterbacks. Most times, the best quarterback gets to start. If you are a
good quarterback and don't want to compete for the starting job, probably
best not to go to BYU. If you think you are the best and that you can beat out
other quarterbacks, then come to BYU.Go Cougars!
@ErnestI don't know if "Trannies" is the optimal word
for these guys, but yes we are glad to have them.
@flatlanderIf Hosick came straight to BYU he would have to sit out
the next year, by going to a JC for a year he gets to play and then does not
have to sit out another year when he gets to BYU. In his position as
a redshirt freshman in eligibility this is a very good way of doing it. If your
option is to sit and not play at all or else to go to a jc and get to actually
play that year then what would you do?Also Steve Sarkisian was a JC
transfer and he did pretty well.
It is good Trent has great confidence in himself, a trait any QB needs. But, BYU seems to have a lot of QBs on stage and in the pipeline, maybe
BYU could focus a little more on building up a great Offensive Line to protect
Interesting that nobody has commented on him playing JC ball in 2014, not at BYU
learning the system. I know some positions transfer from JC but I can't
recall QBs making that jump.
Is am not a big fan of anyone above a 3 star recruit. Too much ego. None do the
BYU greats were star recruits but they were great leaders who knew how to win. I
know of several winners who would love to go to BYU, even a BYU summer camp MVP.
BYU wanted him to come as a walk on. Give me a break! Quit recruiting
primadonnas and recruit talented winners.
Proud Ute"Then please explain how/why Ammon Olsen left leaving
the QB shelf absolutely barren if Hill goes down."He
didn't. Ammon Olsen left because he wanted to be a starter,
which he knew he wasn't going to get as long as Taysom Hill stays healthy.
There are still several quality QBs backing up Taysom.Unlike Utah,
which is hoping that an untested transfer that didn't even play spring ball
can step in if Travis isn't cleared to play or continues to be a turnover
First of all to our friendly neighborhood trolls...of course Utah didn't
offer him, they have SEVEN QBs. Utah apparently thinks quantity trumps
quality.Second, Tanner Mangum struggled in his spring here working
out for the team. He didn't exactly light it up, so he will have to work to
earn the starting spot over anyone else. To our favorite troll...no he
won't end up at a PAC12 school, he would go to Boise State most
likely...but hey, that's a far better program than the one on the hill.Finally, please stop with the Riley Nelson comparisons. Neither Taysom
Hill or Trent Hosick are Riley Nelson. Both have stronger arms and more
athleticism. Both need to improve passing the ball but both have MUCH higher
upside the RN.
Tanner Mangum is by far the best QB at BYU. The kid can flat out play! Not too
sure about this guy, but only good things can come from more QB competition.
My, my we have so many that have the ability to read between the lines of any
story. I for one think that having two good qbacks competing against each other
will make them both better. Injuries, unrealized potential, lack of IT, and
myriad other things keep people from rising to their potential. If Magnum is
afraid of the competition then so be it. The qback position is not inherited,
it is earned and he has missionary legs and other issues to firm up and
strengthen before taking over the position. I for one hope they both look
forward and relish the opportunity to go head to head and may the best man win.
Do NFL qbacks shy away from competiting for the job? Playing any position is
earned and is not given because of entitlement.
@Cordon Bleu, Unlike K Whit, Bronco understands that it's better to
have too much talent at QB, than not enough.Then please explain
how/why Ammon Olsen left leaving the QB shelf absolutely barren if Hill goes
This guy already reminds me of the Jake Heaps ego. Hope he proves better than
I would much rather hear that Tanner Mangum who was the C0-MVP for the elite 11
camp be our starting QB when he gets back from his mission. BYU needs a PP QB,
enough of the Dual threat QBs. I love Taysom Hill but its his sheer athleticism
that makes him good enough to make it work. But lets face it, Taysom is just a
bigger better version of Riley Nelson. and I cant put up with another Riley
Nelson fiasco, I just cant do it. And it sounds like this transfer kid would
just be another Riley Nelson remake.
Tanner Mangum is committed to come to BYU. Hosick is a very good QB and it does
not show much class to berate a young man or young woman who chooses to attend
whatever univeristy. Good for him. Good for BYU. Utah has had some interesting
transfers that have helped them out. Good for them.
@ Big 12 Call Yet?"Mark it Down - Tanner Mangum will transfer to
a prestigious Pac 12 program"So you mean he won't be
playing in Utah?
sammygSpringville, UTHe sounds confident and it seems like he's
not the least bit interested in the U.------------Sounds
like it worked out well then, seeing as how Utah didn't even bother to even
try and contact him.This guy was probably hoping to get an offer
from Utah, but chose BYU when it was clear Utah wasn't interested.LOL!
b12You're seriously mocking a 4-star transfer who might get a
chance to start in a couple of years, when the Utes are counting on a 3-star
transfer who didn't even play spring ball to be their starter this fall?Tanner Mangum isn't going anywhere, but it's laughable that
you're wishfully hoping Tanner will leave BYU, since you were the one
mocking BYU just a couple of years ago for recruiting an Idaho QB, when the Utes
were signing a California recruit named Travis Wilson.It's fun
watching you drool over a BYU QB that you thought so little of when he signed
with the Cougars.
More indications that my fear will be realized, that Mangum will transfer to
Boise State of some other school. BYU will lose out in this deal.
I'm not jumping up and down about him. However, I am concerned about the
hints that Mangum might not keep his commitment to BYU. I'm prefer to see
Mangum as the starter and Hosick as a backup.
KenSorry to burst your jealous crimson bubble, but he's better
than Utah's QB heir apparent.As far as Mangum not staying, of
course Trent is hoping that Mangum won't stay, because Tanner would be his
main competition. Trent joining BYU, won't have any impact on Tanner's
decision to stay; he's already competed against the best and would likely
relish the competition.Unlike K Whit, Bronco understands that
it's better to have too much talent at QB, than not enough.
This is a big mistake. This will be the third consecutive transfer we've
accepted to take over a QB position, cutting out the kids who commit to the Y In
the first place out of high school. Pretty soon, we are going to lose out on HS
kids altogether. Why come? The coach will put a transfer in front of you
anyway.I'm pretty unhappy with this practice. It seems
remarkably unfair to the kids who committed to the Y and then went on missions.
Sorry - but this seems very low class to me. I am disappointed in Mendenhall.
This is not a troll. I am a big BYU fan. And I am very very
"We ate at literally all the best places in town," Hosick wrote. "We
went bowling, went to the overlook of Provo, and a bunch of other stuff."
WOW, tough to compete against that!
Since deciding to transfer, did a single power conference program offer him?
LIke Ken says, it seems there was a lot of interest with K-state, but that
interest only went one way.This likely pushes Tanner Mangum outside
too. Bronco doesn't exactly have a good track record or developing highly
prized recruits. He couldn't develop Jake Heapsand
bronco's poor coaching decisions led byu to have a backup safety be his QB
for 3 years instead of future NFL draft pick Brad Sorensen.And now
it appears Mangum is already wavering in his decision to return to go fast go
hard byu.I hope Tanner ends up with a prestigious Pac 12 program,
and I bet he does.Mark it Down - Tanner Mangum will transfer to a
prestigious Pac 12 program
He sounds confident and it seems like he's not the least bit interested in
the U.It's a small world we live in, it's truly amazing
how many of these like-minded people you run into these days.Trent
might be a good fit. Hope it happens.
So he wanted Kansas State and they weren't interested?Dave
Christensen knows all about him and Utah's not interested?Missouri
didn't want him enough to make him the starter? Also
interesting that he says something about magnum possibly not staying. I would
think he would only mention that if the coaching staff gave indication of that
possibility. Mangum must not be interested in what he's hearing about byu.
He's presumably be the starter for at least a couple years, he must be
getting attention from better schools.
I'd love to see Hosick make the move to join the cougars, I think he would
be a great replacement for when Hill leaves, with the new offensive scheme he
would be a great fit. Watching his HS highlights he looks very much like Hill
and seems to have a decent arms with the ability to make all the throws
necessary. He has already used a redshirt year and if he joins the cougs and
learns their system while he sits his required year he should be ready to step
in a produce when Hill leaves.