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Published: Thursday, May 15 2014 12:05 a.m. MDT

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KellyWSmith
Sparks, NV

Again, we have thrust upon us the teachings of man and not of God in order to advance an agenda and promote the popular and profitable theories of the day.

But the truth is far distant from this promotion. Most people don't realize the following teachings about the creation and have thus fallen away into great error.

1-The earth was not created here in this solar system, but was created somewhere else and placed here to live out its mortal life.
2-The earth replaced a previous one that had been here but had gone on to its eternal glory and ours will be replaced by another when it receives its glory.
3-Seeds and animals were placed here and did not magically appear.
4-There never was a "Big Bang" because the Universe is infinite.
5-Mankind has a direct connection to Heavenly Parents and did not ascend through mutations as Adam and Eve were real people.
6-God is the moral authority as to what is right and wrong and not man because God created man and gave him those laws to follow.
7-One purpose of teaching evolution is to destroy the Bible and its authority and message.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@KellyWSmith
Sparks, NV

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You are about 50/50 there my friend.
Half right, and half wrong.

BTW -- I thought the film version was pretty accurate,
given the producers did not have further light and knowledge.

Best "Hollywood" version I've seen yet.

Paul8777
Brigham City, UT

@LDS Liberal - I think you're being pretty charitable to Kelly with the "50/50" estimate.

I find a lot of beauty in this artistic illustration of scientific and spiritual truth. I don't have to accept it as gospel any more than I accept Kelly's version of events, but I think it is much closer to the mark than those seven thoughts pulled from various speculative regions. Kelly better call BYU (and my old alma mater Ricks College, now BYUI) and tell them to stop teaching astronomy, cosmology, and evolution.

Frankly, to claim that the Bible disproves evolution is as ridiculous as the claim by some in the scientific community that evolution disproves the existence of God.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

KellyWSmith
Sparks, NV

1-The earth was not created here in this solar system, but was created somewhere else...
[?, I've heard this before over the years, but have yet to see a single Prophetic source.]

2-The earth replaced a previous one that had been here but had gone on to its eternal glory...
[?, Again - Prophetic source.]

3-Seeds and animals were placed here and did not magically appear.
[You must be implying evolution doesn't happen. Let me ask -- who kept swooping down daily over those 4.5 billion years to change each and ever plant and animal species, and why would you?]

4-There never was a "Big Bang" because the Universe is infinite.
[Look up BlackHoles, WhiteHoles, BubbleUniverses and "Singularity"]

5-Mankind has a direct connection to Heavenly Parents and did not ascend through mutations as Adam and Eve were real people.
[The movie showed that.]

6-God is the moral authority as to what is right and wrong and not man because God created man and gave him those laws to follow. [??]

7-One purpose of teaching evolution is to destroy the Bible...
[Now it isn't. Charles Darwin believed in God. Science tells us the how, God tells us the why.]

coltakashi
Richland, WA

The remarkable thing is that the basic narrative of Genesis One can be illustrated by a video straight out of modern science program--and they match! In the short space of a couple of pages, Genesis tells us the main succession of events in the creation of the earth, as thery are.confirmed by modern science! How did someone writing down this narrative know what modern science has earned in just the past tree hundred years?

Note that Genesis is totally unlike the typical creation myths of other cultures, which usually personify some cosmic force as a god and use common human experiences, marriage, birth and death, etc. As metaphors for creation. But Genesis is a constrained, factual, chronological narrative, that happens to prophetically match the outline of the earth's natural history.

Genesis One matches science, and science matches Genesis One. They are in explicit agreement. This is a wonderful exposition of this truth..

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

How could anyone know? The whole thing is entirely subjective speculation.

Bruce
Angleton, TX

It is naive as well as limiting in thought and belief to consider the flood story as literally true. It first appears in The Epic of Gilgamesh which predates the Old Testament.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

I think there are very few people on the earth, that have had a chance to gain perfect knowledge of the creation and the process it went through.

So, other than those few people, it's going to be everyone's best educated or non-educated guess as to what happened. Basing most of their ideas from ancient and modern theorists, scientists, and scriptural accounts.

The real argument that should be studied and researched and lived, is how to become more Christlike. How to become worthy of eternal life. How to use the Atonement to perfect yourself. Why waste energy speculating an event billions or thousands of years ago?

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Assuming that there are more than 4 dimensions, the word infinite takes on an expanded meaning. In that context, I find it very easy to believe that "Let there be light" could initiate a Big Bang experience in each of an infinite number of parallel infinite universes.

As to planets being created to take the place of planets being celestialized, I encountered this concept in "Discourses of Brigham Young" that I was reading last week. These quotes were derived from "Journal of Discourses," and all of these must be taken with a grain of salt. These volumes contained stenographic renditions of public talks, before there were recording devices, used for historic purposes. The prophets never went back and corrected them, so they were occasionally prone to human error. A single teaching may have been misworded or mistranscribed, so you have to study the entire collection to capture the generally accepted teachings.

California Steve
Hanford, CA

I thought a more appropriate question could be: Did the movie Noah get anything right?
Maybe we can ask the Rock People.

Jared
NotInMiami, FL

@Hutterite "How could anyone know? The whole thing is entirely subjective speculation."

There are a lot of scientists who would take issue with your implication that evolution and theories regarding the origin of the universe (e.g., the Big Bang) are merely "subjective speculation".

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

Faith is the central ingredient to all discovery. Science and Religion have huge elements of faith. Faith denotes humility and meekness intermingled with hope. Did the "flood" happen? I wasn't there. Can't say the literalness or figuritiveness of the event, but let it stay where it is written and derive the goodness it has to teach. BH Roberts speculated (admitted it too) that it was physically impossible for the whole earth to be covered with water 20,000+ feet deep to cover the tallest mountains, but the purpose of "baptizing" or cleansing the earth could have been accomplished with a powerful set of rain storms that simultaneously covered the earth. Did that happen? Who knows. Did it NOT happen? Who knows. Welcome to the world of history, science, religion combined with faith. Aronofsky and Crowe did an outstanding job trying to give the story definition.

Janet
Ontario, OR

Hollywood makes movies -- tells stories. Commercial films are not church media presentations. If movies make us visit the scriptures and engage with them, that's something. We who are observant Christians tend to forget that people all around us go about their lives without giving a thought to scripture. Maybe such movies as "Noah" are not the meat, or even the milk, of the gospel, but the appetizers that get people thinking about God.

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

To "Bruce" how do you know that the Epic of Gilgamesh isn't based on what happened with Noah? The book of Genesis was written by Moses over 400 years after the flood. So, don't you think that it is possible that in 400 years that the story could be spread around and altered by people and written down before Moses wrote it?

Eliot
Genola, UT

That's not the way I remember it happening.

coltakashi
Richland, WA

Aronofsky drew on rabbinic legends about LED-like stones which gave light inside the Ark. That is not in the Bible. In the Book of Ether in the Book of Mormon, the Jaredites are described as building eight vessels based on the design of the Ark, with illumination provided by stones touched by the finger of God. The voyage of the Jaredites was from "Old World" to "New World" and took a year, just as Noah's voyage took a year and ended in the "Old World". Where did Noah start? If Adam’s home was in the Americas, then so was the land that Noah departed from. Noah's voyage was not just floating and waiting for the water level to drop, it was an ocean crossing, the righteous fleeing from the wicked, just like the Jaredites, and much later, the Lehites. Noah did not get satellite worldwide weather reports, he reported what he saw. He had to use a dove to see past his horizon. In a heavy rain, soil is saturated, tall mountains are "covered" by water, an inch or so deep. It is a factual account from Noah's viewpoint.

the truth
Holladay, UT

OF course there is NO evolution.

God couold not be God and use such an inferior method of creation.

God by definition would have to use a Godly way.

a God that can instantly heal, raise the deal, and do many other miracles not based on any known natural laws,

Must certainly be capable of direct creation.

There are scripture that contradict evolution. such as the scripture of God commanding all creatures to reproduce after their own kind. Not to mention the many scriptures that indicates there are patterns that are followed, including creating man directly patterned after himself.

No mutation. no randomness.

IF he can directly create the spirit made fine matter he can certainly creaete the physical body as well.

Is God God or not a God?

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Did they get the "doctrine" right? Sure? Why not?

Candide
Salt Lake City, UT

@KellyWSmith

Those that aren't well read or know the ways of the towel don't realize the following:

1. Mice rule the world.
2. The dolphins tried to warn us.
3. The answer is 42.
4. The Earth is an experiment to find out what the question is.
5. Vogons have terrible poetry and like interstellar bypasses.
6. Don't Panic, the Guide may or may not have the information you are looking for.
7. God vanished in a puff of logic.

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Coltakashi:
"Note that Genesis is totally unlike the typical creation myths of other cultures, which usually personify some cosmic force as a god and use common human experiences, marriage, birth and death, etc."

I have a creation chant from the South Pacific that parallels Genesis. In this version the animals helped create the world and the creator used his servants to do tasks. He delegated a lot. Some of the tasks are different. He had someone split the oceans so that there would be waves, or raise sky so that dawn would breakthrough. After each task the chants says that he looked and approved.

In the end he sends someone to explore the seas so that all the lands would be discovered. Some people have told me that they felt that their cultures beat the physicists because they had traditions about a big bang.

When Bishop Usher came up with his bible chronology in the 1600's he was able to pin point when God started the creation, 2:30 in the afternoon, etc. Someone asked him, "What was he doing before?" He answered, "Making a hell for people who would ask a question like that!"

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