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Letter: Caucus agreement

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  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 7:36 p.m.

    I find it interesting that the same people who tell us that the majority rules are the same ones that don't want my vote to count in electing a candidate. The caucus system has been overtaken and does not represent the will of the majority. Did we forget that 100,000 citizens signed a petition to stop the caucus system. They wanted their vote to count!

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    @2bits
    "We already have a PRIMARY ELECTION... when are people going to get that??"

    That I didn't even bother to vote in because literally everything on that ballot was decided before then this past election.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 12, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    Flashback,
    no, the convention gives the delegates a voice, not the people. Only delegates can vote in the convention.

    The caucus system removes the people one more step from their representatives.

    the GOP might not have elected anyone without the caucus? now THAT is FUNNY!

    2bits,
    we already have a primary? Nope, not if the candidate wins 60% of the delegates at the convention. ALL candidates MUST declare before the convention; only if one does not receive 60% is there a primary. Sorry the system has you so confudsed. Please inform yourself better about how it works before trying to defend it; misstatements by its protagonists provide its opponents with even more ammunition.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    @Schnee,

    You do it yourself... in the PRIMARY ELECTION!

    We already have a PRIMARY ELECTION... when are people going to get that??

    You don't have to do away with ANYTHING to get a Primary Election... we already have one!

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    Everybody YOU want may not be on that primary ballot every time, but that's going to be the case no matter what system is used.

    Everybody in the world does not belong on the primary ballot.

    If there's somebody you want (who couldn't get enough support at convention to make it to the primary)... just write your guy in!

    You never know... he might WIN!

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    Sometimes... a candidate runs "unopposed" or had overwhelming support at Convention (and doesn't have to face a primary). It's rare... but it's a problem.

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    Places that don't use caucus meetings and convention... use other methods of narrowing the field for the primary election... party-elites pick who is viable enough to be on the primary ballot...

    Would you rather have THEM decide who makes it on your party primary ballot?

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    Bottom line... We already have a primary election... PLEASE get that through your head...

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    @2 bits
    "Trying to find the delegate who will vote exactly the way you would (when even you don't know how you would vote yet)... is a silly expectation!"

    Exactly, why would I prefer that to just doing it myself? (If we switched to the primary system the candidates would have already been running for a while so I would know how I would vote). Of course this is all personal opinion/preference anyway with myself, yourself, and anyone else, there's really no right or wrong answer.

    "Primary comes later... When ALL candidates have declared... and your delegates have vetted them, resulting in the 2 who battle it out in the primary..."

    What percentage of races in this state even come down to a primary anyway? It's felt like a really small number though admittedly I don't know and may be subject to small sample size bias.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    @Schnee,
    When I go to my neighborhood caucus meeting... I don't look for someone who will vote the way I would on every topic or race. I look for someone who's honest, and who's general philosophy I agree with. Who will commit to attend the meetings and take the time to meet with candidates (and keep me informed on what they learn).

    There's not enough time for EVERY Citizen to get time with each candidate to ask their questions, or for candidates to respond to every voter's correspondence individually....

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    It's impossible to find someone who would vote the way you would on everything. You don't even know who all the candidates are at caucus time... some haven't declared yet!

    Trying to find the delegate who will vote exactly the way you would (when even you don't know how you would vote yet)... is a silly expectation!

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    You are right... a primary election IS needed. But we ALREADY HAVE a primary election! Never went away!

    Primary comes later... When ALL candidates have declared... and your delegates have vetted them, resulting in the 2 who battle it out in the primary...

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 12, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Hey Lost, the convention gives the people a choice. The people voted to send a delegate. That gives them the voice. How do I know that the electors that are part of the Electorial College are voting for president the way that I want them to?

    Without the Caucus system, the Republicans would potentially not have had any elected official in the last 50 years elected. I can think of Orrin Hatch, Norm Bangerter, Rob Bishop, Jake Garn, unfortunately Jon Huntsman, Bailout Bob, Enid Greene, unfortunately Merrill Cook, Mike Lee, and the list goes on and on. In 1976 Orrin Hatch was an unknown and worked the delegates hard and got through the state convention as the candidate. Jack Carleson was the "annointed one" by the Republican establishment and he got beat by the candidate that worked hard to get elected. I'd say Orrin's been pretty effective the last many years.

    The caucus system does work.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    In a caucus you have to vote for someone who you have to hope represents your interest in voting for a candidate. In a primary you can actually vote for the candidate you want.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 12, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    you still have no voice in who the candidate will be, only the delegates have a voice.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    I have no problem with the "alternate path". It provides a path for alternative-candidates. The candidates that may not be mainstream enough to get through the convention (I like some of these people and would vote for them).

    I think that's where people like the proverbial "tea party candidates" would show up, and Republicans who are too Libertarian for the Republican party establishment... and Democrats that are "too Conservative" for the Democrat establishment... these people that don't necessarily fit the party-mold or have party-support... need a way to get on the ballot too...

    But don't do away with the convention...

    This system allows a no-name candidate (with little money until he gets the nomination) to get on the PARTY ballot (which gives him a chance to win access to party money).

    Going straight to a party-primary... almost guarantees the incumbent with the party-money and endorsements already in his pocket... will win...

  • Bifftacular Spanish Fork, Ut
    May 12, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Caucus system has a lot of flaws for sure but until someone can show me how an Abraham Lincoln type person can run today in a non-caucus system (no money, no name), my vote is for the caucus system.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 4:10 a.m.

    Yep, the caucus system works great, and helps keep politicians accountable to the people. Keep it (and throw out the foolish “alternate path” to get on the ballot).