I find it interesting that the same people who tell us that the majority rules
are the same ones that don't want my vote to count in electing a candidate.
The caucus system has been overtaken and does not represent the will of the
majority. Did we forget that 100,000 citizens signed a petition to stop the
caucus system. They wanted their vote to count!
@2bits"We already have a PRIMARY ELECTION... when are people going to
get that??"That I didn't even bother to vote in because
literally everything on that ballot was decided before then this past election.
Flashback,no, the convention gives the delegates a voice, not the people.
Only delegates can vote in the convention.The caucus system removes
the people one more step from their representatives.the GOP might
not have elected anyone without the caucus? now THAT is FUNNY!2bits,we already have a primary? Nope, not if the candidate wins 60% of
the delegates at the convention. ALL candidates MUST declare before the
convention; only if one does not receive 60% is there a primary. Sorry the
system has you so confudsed. Please inform yourself better about how it works
before trying to defend it; misstatements by its protagonists provide its
opponents with even more ammunition.
@Schnee,You do it yourself... in the PRIMARY ELECTION!We
already have a PRIMARY ELECTION... when are people going to get that??You don't have to do away with ANYTHING to get a Primary Election... we
already have one!====Everybody YOU want may not be on
that primary ballot every time, but that's going to be the case no matter
what system is used.Everybody in the world does not belong on the
primary ballot.If there's somebody you want (who couldn't
get enough support at convention to make it to the primary)... just write your
guy in!You never know... he might WIN!===Sometimes... a candidate runs "unopposed" or had overwhelming support
at Convention (and doesn't have to face a primary). It's rare... but
it's a problem.====Places that don't use
caucus meetings and convention... use other methods of narrowing the field for
the primary election... party-elites pick who is viable enough to be on the
primary ballot...Would you rather have THEM decide who makes it on
your party primary ballot?===Bottom line... We already
have a primary election... PLEASE get that through your head...
@2 bits"Trying to find the delegate who will vote exactly the way you
would (when even you don't know how you would vote yet)... is a silly
expectation!"Exactly, why would I prefer that to just doing it
myself? (If we switched to the primary system the candidates would have already
been running for a while so I would know how I would vote). Of course this is
all personal opinion/preference anyway with myself, yourself, and anyone else,
there's really no right or wrong answer. "Primary comes
later... When ALL candidates have declared... and your delegates have vetted
them, resulting in the 2 who battle it out in the primary..."What percentage of races in this state even come down to a primary anyway?
It's felt like a really small number though admittedly I don't know
and may be subject to small sample size bias.
@Schnee,When I go to my neighborhood caucus meeting... I don't look
for someone who will vote the way I would on every topic or race. I look for
someone who's honest, and who's general philosophy I agree with. Who
will commit to attend the meetings and take the time to meet with candidates
(and keep me informed on what they learn).There's not enough
time for EVERY Citizen to get time with each candidate to ask their questions,
or for candidates to respond to every voter's correspondence
individually....===It's impossible to find someone
who would vote the way you would on everything. You don't even know who
all the candidates are at caucus time... some haven't declared yet!Trying to find the delegate who will vote exactly the way you would
(when even you don't know how you would vote yet)... is a silly
expectation!===You are right... a primary election IS
needed. But we ALREADY HAVE a primary election! Never went away! Primary comes later... When ALL candidates have declared... and your
delegates have vetted them, resulting in the 2 who battle it out in the
Hey Lost, the convention gives the people a choice. The people voted to send a
delegate. That gives them the voice. How do I know that the electors that are
part of the Electorial College are voting for president the way that I want them
to?Without the Caucus system, the Republicans would potentially not
have had any elected official in the last 50 years elected. I can think of
Orrin Hatch, Norm Bangerter, Rob Bishop, Jake Garn, unfortunately Jon Huntsman,
Bailout Bob, Enid Greene, unfortunately Merrill Cook, Mike Lee, and the list
goes on and on. In 1976 Orrin Hatch was an unknown and worked the delegates
hard and got through the state convention as the candidate. Jack Carleson was
the "annointed one" by the Republican establishment and he got beat by
the candidate that worked hard to get elected. I'd say Orrin's been
pretty effective the last many years.The caucus system does work.
In a caucus you have to vote for someone who you have to hope represents your
interest in voting for a candidate. In a primary you can actually vote for the
candidate you want.
you still have no voice in who the candidate will be, only the delegates have a
I have no problem with the "alternate path". It provides a path for
alternative-candidates. The candidates that may not be mainstream enough to
get through the convention (I like some of these people and would vote for
them). I think that's where people like the proverbial
"tea party candidates" would show up, and Republicans who are too
Libertarian for the Republican party establishment... and Democrats that are
"too Conservative" for the Democrat establishment... these people that
don't necessarily fit the party-mold or have party-support... need a way to
get on the ballot too...But don't do away with the
convention... This system allows a no-name candidate (with little
money until he gets the nomination) to get on the PARTY ballot (which gives him
a chance to win access to party money).Going straight to a
party-primary... almost guarantees the incumbent with the party-money and
endorsements already in his pocket... will win...
Caucus system has a lot of flaws for sure but until someone can show me how an
Abraham Lincoln type person can run today in a non-caucus system (no money, no
name), my vote is for the caucus system.
Yep, the caucus system works great, and helps keep politicians accountable to
the people. Keep it (and throw out the foolish “alternate path” to
get on the ballot).