Tomahawk RedYou're mercy for the Ute schedule, and justice for
the BYU schedule gave me a good needed laugh. Also, your avoiding ASU's
assessment didn't go unnoticed either! Cheers!
BYU's year will probably be something like this:UConn- Probable
win, but Bronco does have a track record of starting slow.Texas-
probable loss. Horns will be thirsty for revenge.Virginia- WinHouston- Toss up. Plenty of offense in this game.Utah State-
Toss up. Ags have been close to winning in Provo the last two times. UCF- Win.Nevada- Probable win. A senior Cody Fajardo could give
BYU fits, though.Boise State- Toss up. Boise is hard to beat on the
smurf turf.California- Probable loss. Cal will be much better than
last year and coach Sonny Dykes runs a great offense when everybody is healthy.
CougarSunDevil------------ regarding your clearly-biased
assessment:UConn- sorry but this is a toss up, yet you call it a
guaranteed win. Your team is infamous for starting slow, especially on the road.
Last year you couldn't beat the ACC's worst team, who didn't beat
another FBS team all year after BYU. There's just no way you can pencil
this in as an easy win. Sorry.Texas (toss up, depends on the new
coach) - Toss up, okay. But only due to the fact that BYU beat them last year.
Texas is salivating at the chance to get revenge.Virginia- Probable
win, but you lost to them last year.Houston- Toss up. You barely
beat them last year.Utah State- Probable winUCF- Toss
up. UCF lost Bortles but this is still a very good team.Nevada-
Nevada has given BYU trouble in the past, and they are expected to win the MWC
west this year.Boise State- Toss up. BSU has no problem beating BYU.
So to say this is a guaranteed win is just ignorant.California- With
nothing left to play for, what motivates BYU in this game?
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZNow, how am I not being objective?-----------Just because we arrive at the same conclusion
does not mean we arrived at that conclusion the same way or by using the same
reasoning.You stated that Utah won't win six because you give
them zero chance of winning six games. Zero chance. None. A foregone conclusion
in your opinion.I stated Utah will certainly have their chances to
win more than six games, I just don't think they will.It's
the difference between saying they won't win six because you're a Utah
hater, and saying they won't win six because I just don't think Utah
will eke out enough of those tough contests.But they will be in many
of those games you have already written them off in.
As a Ute fan - I can't wait to see Chuckie Keaton play, and I hope he will
stay healthy all season long. He is the most exciting QB in the state!Go Utes!Onward and Upward!Bring on Michigan!!
Uteology,"I think the MI game will make or break Utah's
season"I agree with you. I think the Michigan game will set the
TR"So Utah is going to lose to Colorado for the rest of the
program's history, based on that single loss in 2011... despite the fact
that Utah has beaten them ever since?Now that's logic
friend."Let me help you with the whole quote..."I'd be with you on the Colorado prediction but that first loss to
them when Utah could have played in the PAC-12 championship game still looms in
my mind and that was the best team Utah has had since joining the PAC-12.
I'm not sure about a win to Colorado. That one (as some utes like to point
out) is their rivalry game which means anything can happen."There you go, now it makes sense because if you guys think this is your rival,
then anything can happen in a rivalry game. Plus, Wittingham had everything to
win in that first year, therefore, if Utah is playing for a potential bowl game
or anything else, perhaps he'll choke again like he did that year. Now,
that is more logical isn't it?
Tomahawk RedYou quote me "I don't see six wins (for
Utah)"Your comment "That's because you're not thinking
objectively."Your comment later in the same post "I don't
think Utah will win six games this year. I believe they will win four or
five." Now, how am I not being objective?"What
about BYU? Where are they getting six wins from?"UConn WinTexas (toss up, depends on the new coach)Virginia WinHouston
winUtah State winUCF toss upNevada winBoise State winMiddle Tennessee WinUNLV winSavannah State winCalifornia
WinI'll even give you my assessment of ASU!Weber
State WinNew Mexico WinColorado WinUCLA toss upUSC
winStanford lossWashington winUtah win since 1977Notre
Dame winOregon State winWashington state winArizona winThis is how you do it!
Chris wrote, "BYU is listed third among the independents, behind Notre Dame
and Navy but ahead of Army and Charlotte..." Well when there are only five
or six total, it doesn't take much to rank in the upper half. Being ranked
behind Navy doesn't say much at all....
@uteology"I think the MI game will make or break Utah's
season"I don't think that just one of their probably 8-9
losses is going to "make or break" anything. It is just another loss.
Tom Red:"Michigan, Oregon State and ASU are not guaranteed losses. Not
by a long shot."Question: will all these teams have winning
records? Chances are good they will with their returning talent especially at
the QB position. Winning P5 team on the road = utah loss...utes have given no
reason whatsoever to believe otherwise. These are losses for the utes, take it
to the bank.
@CougarSunDevilUtah has better talent today than we did then season
one. The difference, the schedule this year is about 20 times harder.Wins: Idaho State, Fresno, @Colorado, Washington StateProbable Wins:
ArizonaSo Utah will need one more win against: @MI, USC, or @Oregon
StateI think the MI game will make or break Utah's season,
starting 3-0 is critical.
@Tomahawk RedHate to break it to ya, but I'm not a BYU fan. And
I certainly wasn't trying to rile anybody up. If Utah wins a chunk of their
toss-ups, they'll probably go bowling. But the last two years for the Utes
should have seriously tempered anybody's expectations by now.All of the hardest games are on the road for the Utes, and some of the home
games are going to be extremely tough. I just made the predictions based off of
my gut reaction and how Utah has fared since joining the PAC.At
best, I think Utah goes 7-5. At worst, 4-8. There's my honest prediction.
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZThat first loss to them when Utah
could have played in the PAC-12 championship game still looms in my mind and
that was the best team Utah has had since joining the PAC-12.----------So Utah is going to lose to Colorado for the rest of the
program's history, based on that single loss in 2011... despite the fact
that Utah has beaten them ever since?Now that's logic friend.
CougsndawgsWest Point , UTMichigan- lossStanford (at
Stanford)- lossOregon st (road)- lossOregon- lossUCLA (road)-
lossASU (road)- loss...that's 6 losses, meaning that
against USC, Wazzu, Colorado, Arizona, Fresno & Idaho St you have to go
undefeated...not happening.---------Take the blue
glasses off pallie. Michigan, Oregon State and ASU are not guaranteed losses.
Not by a long shot.
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZI don't see six wins in there
even with another lucky Stanford type game.------------That's because you're not thinking objectively. You're thinking
with your Coog goggles on. Let me enlighten you:3 near guaranteed
wins: ISU, Fresno, ColoradoThere's three.3 very
possible wins:Wazzu (home), Arizona (home), Oregon State (road)3 toss-ups:USC (home), ASU (road), Michigan (road)3 virtually guaranteed losses:Stanford (road), Oregon (home), UCLA
(road)So... you got the three near gimmes, and take your pick for
three of the six remaining games where Utah should have a shot at taking.The point is, the six wins are potentially there. And Utah has more than
a slim shot at getting them. To talk like it's impossible for Utah to get
three more games, like you have, merely shows your clear and discriminating
bias.All that said, I don't think Utah will win six games this
year. I believe they will win four or five, and Whittingham will be gone-zo, and
the 2015 Utes will begin the climb back up the mountain.What about
BYU? Where are they getting six wins from?
Thanks Duckhunter! Cheers!
I bet the Ute's year goes like this:Idaho St.- winFresno
St. - toss-up@Michigan - lossWazzu - toss-up@UCLA - loss@Oregon St. - toss-upUSC - loss@ASU - lossOregon - loss@Stanford - lossArizona - toss-up@Colorado - toss-up
@CougerSunDevilchris b...errrr....ken, tried this exact same thing a
couple of weeks ago. Predicted 6 wins but when quizzed refused to say what 6
games she thought utah would win and then used the exact same ridiculous MLB
analogy, as if predicting 12 football games and 162 MLB games have the slightest
bit of equivalency.The fact is she cannot name 6 games she thinks
utah will win because no one can name 6 games they think utah will win. Asking
her to do that brings logic into the discussion rather than delusional desire
and delusional desire just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.Of
course as you said if she gave the prediction of which 6 games she thought they
would win and they only won 4 of them, but then won 2 other games instead still
getting them to 6 wins, then she would have been correct anyway about the win
total. All thinking people understand that teams lose games they shouldn't
as well as win some they shouldn't almost every year. She has just made so
many ridiculously wrong predictions over the years that she is afraid to make
any more. It's funny.
TamI'm sure there are plenty of Utah trolls on BYU articles,
however I never read, or comment on BYU articles, so I can't speak to that
point. I do read and comment on Utah articles, and there are an awful lot of
BYU fans posting on Utah articles as well. It goes both ways.
@PocyUteI'll agree with you that the world doesn't revolve
around Provo and that this article is not about BYU solely, however, based on
all the other 'BYU' articles on DN.com I will not agree with your so
called 'classic BYU fan mentality' as about 75% of the comments made
on BYU articles are by utah fans.
I'm hopeful the Utes will get to a bowl this year. I'd always like to
see all the in-state teams play in a bowl.Below is my "Way Too
Early" view of hew the Utes get to six wins. Tough year since the Utes are
tough at home but have their toughest opponents at home.ISUFresno St. (new QB, they were all Carr last year, would have been a good game
last year)Michigan (Utes will be 2-0 and confident; Michigan has lost to
teams a lot worse than Utah OOC)WSU (riding the wave of 3 in a row; at
homeOSU (Beavers aren't favored very often but will likely be here;
good time to sneak up on them)AZ (at Home; AZ doesn't travel well in
the PAC)There's six. If they win those, I think they'll
be so happy/relieved that CU will beat them in the last game. If they're
at 5 wins going to Boulder, they'll have a good chance, especially if CU
can't get bowl eligible by winning.
MacNasty,I didn't realize this is BYU article. You'll
notice it includes information about Utah, Utah State, and Southern Utah.Not only that it is linked to the Utah and Utah State pages.Classic BYU fan mentality, though--oddly enough the world doesn't revolve
I get a big kick every time I see "fans" of a losing, doormat program
post on BYU articles. It appears that BYU evokes strong, negative emotions out
of those fans. I guess they figure it is better to post negative comments here
than to waste their time trying to support their team; even if it is facing
another losing season. Go figure.
Oh good, the preseason bickering and prognosticating has gotten it's second
wind.The games can't start soon enough, ugh.
Blue Husky,"Colorado - nuff said"I'd be
with you on the Colorado prediction but that first loss to them when Utah could
have played in the PAC-12 championship game still looms in my mind and that was
the best team Utah has had since joining the PAC-12. I'm not sure about a
win to Colorado. That one (as some utes like to point out) is their rivalry game
which means anything can happen. "Michigan - BiG is
overrated..."No argument that the BiG is overrated, but being in
Michigan, I'm thinking the edge goes to the Wolverines. Perhaps I'll
be surprised, as well as most of college nation, and Utah gets by Michigan, but
I wouldn't bet on it. Of course Appalachian state. "USC -
maybe they could be had" I would agree with you if USC still had
Lane K. Now I don't see Utah winning that game. I could agree with you on
Oregon St. You'll understand if I disagree on the ASU upset thing. Utah
hasn't beat ASU since 1977. I'm going with tradition, and the home
team there! I think at best it's 5-7. It's a tough schedule.
@CougarSunDevilLooking at the list for Utah, I'd guess they
have a good chance to win the following;Idaho State - gimmeFresno State - not a gimme but at homeWashington State - not a gimme but
at homeColorado - nuff saidUpsetsMichigan - BiG is
overrated and they won't respect the Utes.USC - maybe they could be
hadThat would be six. Maybe the upset would be Oregon State or ASU.
I think they'll upset at least one team this year.They got a
Ken, I think what CougSundevil is trying to say is, he doesn't see where
Utah gets 6 wins, and I agree with him.Michigan- lossStanford
(at Stanford)- lossOregon st (road)- lossOregon- lossUCLA
(road)- lossASU (road)- loss...that's 6 losses, meaning
that against USC, Wazzu, Colorado, Arizona, Fresno & Idaho St you have to go
undefeated...not happening. I just don't see how Utah goes bowling this
year. Secondary wasn't very good last year & U lost your best player
back there. Lost your best pass rusher/LB. It's hard to imagine Utah being
better this year, and they have 6 road games this year vs only 5 last year.
Combine that with the always unexpected flop against an inferior opponent &
it's hard to imagine U being anywhere but home for the holidays.
Ken, If you predicted 6 wins and provided the teams you thought Utah
would win, didn't win all of the ones you said, but still got to 6,
I'd give you props. "Do you have a favorite baseball team?
If so, why don't you tell me how many games they'll win this year and
which ones they'll win and which they'll lose."This
seems to come out of left field (pun intended) because predicting 12 college
football games is vastly different than predicting 100+ MLB games. I'm not
sure what you were trying to accomplish with that other than not answering my
simple question about who you think Utah has a chance to beat this year. After
reviewing their schedule which Utah fans love to boast about being so difficult,
I don't see six wins in there even with another lucky Stanford type game.
For your convenience, I've posted Utah's schedule: Idaho
St.Fresno St.@MichiganWashington St.@UCLA@Oregon
St.USC@ Arizona State UniversityOregon@StanfordArizona@Colorado
CougarSunDevil,I think the team is good enough that they will win 6
games. What if I predicted 6 wins and told you which ones I thought Utah would
win and ended up being 2 wrong on the win column and 2 wrong on the loss column.
That would mean I missed 4 games but still correctly predicted 6 wins. Would
you say I was right or would you say I was way off base?Do you have
a favorite baseball team? If so, why don't you tell me how many games
they'll win this year and which ones they'll win and which
Ken,"I think Utah will go bowling"Alright,
I'll bite. Exactly who do you think Utah is going to beat on their schedule
to give them 6 wins?
We'll go bowling again for sure because we are real good win a lot of
Utah should eventually get back to six wins and a bowl game. This year though,
I can't see how they are going to do it as this schedule is by far the most
difficult the team has faced. I am quite confident the Utes will win the home
opener. The Utes should be favored two or three times this season. Lets say
they win those (Idaho State, Fresno State and Colorado). What are the other
three wins they are going to get?
utah won't be bowling at any time this decade and likely beyond. Rolling a
ball down a wooden lane doesn't count.
I think Utah will go bowling, but just barely. It will be even more challenging
than last year, given we don't have the automatic win playing byu and take
on Michigan instead. But I'd never wish it any other way. Beating byu just
doenst do anything for our program anymore.
lol. The DN has a way of getting people riled up. I'll go along with
them.byu the 3rd place independent is telling."Cougars
have one demanding stretch through the month of October". lol.Darrel Garretson...What?A copy of the Sporting News Football
Yearbook will get pinned up on the Utes bulletin board as soon as it arrives.
It's that time of year again-the pre-season talking heads are at it again.
There might as well not even be a college football season, since the all-knowing
oracles have prognosticated exactly everything that will happen this year. If
you think that Keeton will start over Garretson, or that BYU is playing in the
Miami Beach Bowl, and not the Hawaii Bowl, you're wrong.
Smh...sounds to me like TSN is not getting any better in their assessment of
teams and talent. No Chuckie Keeton, seriously? I'll wait for Phil Steele
thank you very much.
Nine Pac-12 teams are projected for bowl games — nine! Only Cal, Colorado
and Utah are not picked to go bowling this year.
BYU is listed third among the independents, behind Notre Dame and Navy but ahead
of Army and Charlotte
I agree that makes the whole story suspect.I'd be pleased if
Taysom Hill proves to be the best quarterback in the state.
Darrell Garretson over Chuckie Keeton? What?Where is the Sporting News
writer getting his information?