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Published: Sunday, May 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"We certainly cannot change weather patterns, and it is arrogant and self-serving thinking to suppose that we can."

But hasn't the international agreement on CFC's been effective in protecting the ozone layer of the stratosphere? This is a case of human action changing a geophysical condition. Your statement is flat out false.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Sigh...

People will believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I wouldn't want to count on Lake Mead for power and water for very long.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Keep telling yourself that when you're dowsing for your next glass of water.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Deserts are dry. That is the definition.

They were dry before man walked the earth.

Arrogant is the right word for men who take credit for the work of God, or Mother Nature, or the big bang.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

At last we agree Maverick. The fact is the earth has been cooling for a decade due to decreases in solar activity. But like you say, some people will continue to believe otherwise. The good news is time will render them and their hoaxes obsolete. Just like the last "next ice age is approaching" hoax of the '70's.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Yes, Mountanman, and soon we will begin to float above the Earth because, as we all know, gravity is only a theory. And cigarettes are actually good for us because scientists told us they are not, and we all know that scientists don't really know anything. All of these silly hoaxes just can't be believed.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

First, the author has no concept of socialism. Second, the earth is warming and the only real debate is what to do about it. At the very minimum we should stop throwing crap in the atmosphere, and our waterways not to mention strip mining. Someone is going to pay, if not in this life the next.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, the Southwest is a desert. But, in the last four decades it has been significantly drier. Lake Powell and Lake Mead are only about 50% of capacity. I would ask why God has cut back on precipitation when Utah has more than doubled its population in those 40 years and the Saints need more water?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, it's a dry region but it's been below average the last few years. Granted I wouldn't read too much into that since 4 years ago we had a very wet year with a very large snowpack. However, with a warming climate, and more snowfall falling as rain in the future decades it can be harmful to the water situation in the state.

@Mountanman
Actually there's been no statistically significant cooling the past decade and only cherrypicking leads to a statistically insignificant decline being drawable. Considering all the recent La Nina years and the weakest solar cycle in a century, the fact that we've merely stalled suggests that there's something counterbalancing the natural cooling influences we see.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Wonder. I tried to understand your irrational response. What does smoking have to do with this subject? But as far a science goes, everything we think we know will eventually be proven to be completely false or at least very incomplete. As our grandparent's science is to us, so will our science be to our grandchildren. As has been pointed out, solar activity has recently decreased resulting in a cyclical cooling period and is not related in any way to C02. But, if you want to believe the earth is still getting warmer, go right ahead but history will eventually lay this hoax to rest as other hoaxes of their day.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Going over the the east coast, Florida, south Florida is already experiencing problems with rising ocean levels. It seems the rising sea level occasioned by global warming is causing more and more sea water to flow into South Florida's limestone substratum, creating unpleasant flooding right now!

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Mountanman: "The fact is the earth has been cooling for a decade due to decreases in solar activity."

You offer two demonstrably false statements in one short sentence.

The "cooling" myth represents a narrow, distorted interpretation of a tiny subset of temperature records. The real science, representing decades of temperature data for air, water, and land, show that the warming we're talking about continues unabated and is accelerating.

The Sun's total output has actually dipped slightly in the past 50 years. Solar irradiance as a source for climate change has been studied carefully, and rejected by research findings.

Last week NOAA announced that the global average for CO2 in our atmosphere has, for the first time in millions of years, exceeded 400 ppm.

The time to stop denying the reality of climate change and acknowledge the overwhelming evidence that this change is due to human combustion of fossil fuels is _now_.

We have a choice to make - we can spend our fortunes and our future reacting, too little and too late, to climate change, or we can recognize the opportunities for new technologies and new business models before us.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

We can't change weather? What if we dam a river and create a large lake - do the winds pick up its water? If we chop down trees and a desert follows, does this not affect the weather patterns?

I think we have been altering weather to some degree for centuries.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The whole environmentalist as socialist schemer thing comes from AM talk radio - started years ago with Limbaugh. I'm a socialist, but almost all of the environmentalists I know aren't.

But since I am a socialist and an environmentalist know that I am scheming to take power. I do this all day in my basement - scheming, scheming, scheming.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's a proven FACT that humans can't control the climate OR the weather.

If we could control it... would we be allowing tornados, hurricanes, droughts, floods, heat waves, starvation, weather problems like we had in the East this winter.... etc? Obviously it's NOT under our control...

We can't control it. But that fact does not mean we should not be conserving, polluting as little as possible, and doing everything we can to MINIMIZE our human impact.

But drop the silly pretense that we CAN control the climate or the Weather. We can't.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

So help me out here.

Is it extra cold due to global warming or is it too hot due to the coming ice age?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Experience is not science but it is still knowledge. We just experienced the coldest winter in decades with record and near record low temps and snow fall in much of N. America and Russia. The ice has not melted like we were told, in fact it has increased at both poles, believe it or not. It is snowing today in much of the Rockies! No scientist predicted any of what we are experiencing! The earth is cooling! How do we know? Because we are experiencing it, period!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ MM.

Actually, colder winters and more extreme weather (like snow late in the year) is exactly what has been predicted by scientists. It's obvious that you haven't actually read anything from scientists.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

It is not a matter of whether we can control the climate but whether or not we can influence it. There are a LOT of things we cannot control but can influence.

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