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My view: The truth about the ‘war on women’

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 13, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    To "mark" yes you had a quote from the article, but had you paid attention to the article, you would see that the costs listed were the highest cost, not the average or lowest.

    Had you understood the article, it is only a discussion of the cases where a woman may not be able to take the pill or want to. That still does not mean that it is more expensive for a woman to get the pill, which is the point.

    So, why do you hate women so much that you insist that they get the more expensive contraception methods? Do you want them to get pregnant?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    Yeah, I did read it.

    "The only time birth control will cost more is for the few women who are breastfeeding or don't want to take a pill."

    Yeah, it didn't say this. Just making stuff up again? In fact right there in my post (see, right above yours) it has this quote from the article:

    Adding to the complexity, sometimes these medications and devices are utilized for non-contraceptive indications such as abnormal bleeding, endometriosis, pelvic pain, management of acne, treatment after pregnancy losses due to molar pregnancies, and sometimes even in conjunction with assisted reproduction technologies.

    Also they don't say "for the vast majority of women, they can get inexpensive birth control pills" They say, "For women who take those particular drugs, it’s a genuinely good deal. The problem, as doctors and pharmacists will tell you, is that not every drug works for every woman"

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 12, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    To "mark" I think you should read that article in the New Republic. They do state that for most women, they can get the $9/month pills. The only time birth control will cost more is for the few women who are breastfeeding or don't want to take a pill. It is only some prescription pills that cost more. So again, for the vast majority of women, they can get inexpensive birth control pills. Also, the numbers offered in that article from the New Republic represent the HIGH end of cost, not an average cost to the average woman. It is like saying that all cars cost too much for the average person by quoting the cost of a Ferrari.

    Read "Attention Media: Walmart and Target Have Been Offering $9 Birth Control Since 2007" at NewsBusters. They list out 13 different pills that can be purchased for very little.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    "Most of the big pharmacy chains now offer some cheap generic drugs, even for people without insurance. For women who take those particular drugs, it’s a genuinely good deal. The problem, as doctors and pharmacists will tell you, is that not every drug works for every woman."

    "The decision for which dosing schedule, hormonal composition, and/or delivery device depends on a variety of factors including patient choice, ease of use, the patient’s medical history, how quickly the woman would like to resume her ability to conceive, etc. Adding to the complexity, sometimes these medications and devices are utilized for non-contraceptive indications such as abnormal bleeding, endometriosis, pelvic pain, management of acne, treatment after pregnancy losses due to molar pregnancies, and sometimes even in conjunction with assisted reproduction technologies."- Caren Stalburg

    Both quotes from: No, You Can't Always Get Birth Control Pills For $9, Johnathon Cohn, March 4, 2012, New Republic

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    "Total potential cost without insurance: $1210.00 per year." The High Costs of Birth Control It’s Not As Affordable As You Think- Feb, 15, 2012, Center For American Progress.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    Without insurance "the pill" can easily cost $1200.00 a year.

    I would assume it is very easy for a women's length of time where she could need theses pills could easily reach 30 years. That would mean $36,000 dollars over that length of time. Marxist is easily within the ballpark. In fact likely low.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    May 10, 2014 12:37 a.m.

    @Happy in life -- Who cares what the cost is. The point is why does any employer have the right to say that it is going to cost more for a woman to buy her medication (because it's not covered by the policy that she is undoubtedly paying part of the premium for) than it is for a man to buy any medication that he might be prescribed. If your concern is that you really don't want these loose women having so much sex, then consider this: some women take contraceptives for issues other than allowing them to have the wanton sex that apparently is so concerning to folks on the right. Why are women's medical issues treated differently from men's medical issues? Stop treating women like little children whose behavior you have to control for their own good.

  • Happyinlife PROVO, UT
    May 9, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    @ Marxist,

    Um, look it up:
    Typical costs:

    For patients not covered by health insurance, birth control pills typically cost $20 to $50 a month.
    For patients covered by health insurance, out-of-pocket costs typically consist of a prescription drug copay. Most insurance plans offer the lowest copays on generic medication -- usually $5 to $15 -- and higher copays of $30 to $40 for non-preferred brands.

    That's significantly different than $35,000!!!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 9, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    marxist,
    Your pretense that Utah women in general are oppressed and under attack.. is a myth.

    Most men know they must obey their wife here in Utah (IF they know what's good for them) not the other way around.

    I'm sure there are few abusive situations. But no more in Utah than anywhere else in America.

    This anti-Mormon stereotype is often told and well accepted by your type, but it's not valid in my family or many of the LDS families I know (in Utah or outside Utah).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 9, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    The "truth" about the "war on women" is... it's a political creation. Constructed to benefit a political party and it's candidates. Just like the Bangazi bruhaha...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    And BTW, some of you talk about contraceptives as if they are as cheap as bubble gum. A woman paying out of pocket for contraceptives is upwards of $35,000 over her reproductive life. A lot of women CANNOT afford this. Since so much sex is forced on women, the contraceptives are the only way they can prevent pregnancy should they feel they need.

    But then, it is a woman's duty to get pregnant from sex, right Lost?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    RE: Lost in DC Well, you're not funny at all. "You say women don't have control over their bodies? Can they not say no?"

    It may astonish you, Lost, but sometimes women can't say no to their partners. If their husbands want sex, often they can't say NO. Often when their boyfriends want it they can't say NO. Often when women try to say NO they get attacked physically. It's epidemic. And you know nothing about this? I know what I'm talking about from direct experience.

    And yes, there is a war on women being fought by the religious right, and right here in Utah. Women are to obey their husbands. There is a movement to eliminate contraception period. And there is a movement to make abortions under any circumstances illegal. War on women? You bet and how!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 9, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Oh boy, the same posters write in and complain about Benghazi (which has proven to be yet another sad attempt by the GOP's smear media while disrespecting the fallen) and the IRS (while omitting the fact that more liberal groups than conservative ones were targeted). Yes, and then they have to bring up 2008. You can tell the Obama win still hurts because every day someone from the right has to bring up Palin. She's great for comedy repubs. Not so great if your goal is to actually win an election.

    The war on women is clearly being waged by the right. Just look at how few women trust the GOP! 2016 is going to be a democrat landslide win if the GOP doesn't repent.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Wonder,

    sorry, I had a hard time making sense of what you said. please try to not mix your metaphores.

    For all you said, I still could not see how the employer was preventing the woman from buying her own contraceptives. Sorry, it just is not there. Why? Because it CANNOT be there! NOTHING is preventing her from buying her own. NOTHING!

    The employer not buying the contraceptives is not requiring the woman to have sex only to reproduce as you seem to infer. Where do you get THAT idea? By your comment, you infer there is recreational intimate activities. I agree. Do I demand my employer PAY for my recreational intimate activities? NO. Should I? no. because he does not pay for them, does not mean I cannot engage in them, but I get to pay the cost. Yep, same for viagra, should NOT be required coverage.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    May 9, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    The War on Women is a s phony as the War on Terror.

    The correct terms for these Wars should be the War on Families and the War on Freedom.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 9, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Yes, there is a war on women, and the left is perpetuating it and keeping it going.

    For example, in the White House the women are paid less than their male counterparts.

    Another example is the attacks the left made on Ann Romney by saying that she hasn't ever worked. Raising kids is much more work than going outside the home for a job.

    When Sara Palin was the VP nominee liberals said she should be home raising her kids.

    Obama's deputy campaign manager said that women don't care much about politics.

    Liberals are now beginning to say that extramarital affairs are ok.

    Liberals have been found to declar that female conservatives should be raped.

    Yes there is a war on women, and the Democrats are the ones fully engaged in that war.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    May 9, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    There's no "War on Women" in the same way there's no "War on Christmas/Christians/etc."

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 9, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    The truth is... the "War on Women" line was made up by Democrats. Democrats who knew it would take votes from Republicans and possibly redirect these votes to Democrats. That's the plain and simple truth. All the other stuff we are debating is just stuff they came up with to sell the line to women voters during the election.

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    I don't blame Democrats for using this tactic. It worked. That's their job (to get their votes)...

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    With how quickly Democrats dropped it after the election... I think it's obvious that's what it was about.

    It's only coming up now because we are getting ready for another election again.

    I mean it's not like the war ended when Obama was elected. Did all the issues go away?

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    There is no war. Unless it's a political war. And it comes and goes every time Democrats need Women's votes...

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    May 9, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    Yawn...

    Like clockwork, Leftists bring this non-issue up every election cycle.

    To our Liberal/Progressive friends: Care to tell us why Obama's FEMALE White House Staff are paid 11.8 percent less than his male staff?

    Obama has no problem issuing edicts and Executive Orders for private citizens to comply with his demands...why doesn't he fix this obvious income inequality with HIS OWN STAFF?

    Progressive Democrats are the ultimate hypocrites. For thee, not for me!

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 9, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    Maverick

    Congrats for the biggest non-sequitor of the day. War on women compared to Vietnam and Nixon? Really? Since you did bring up not telling the truth at the Presidential level though, let's talk about President Obama, since he is quickly becomming the New Nixon when it comes to a dishonest White House and administration. And give us some proof of this so called War on Women here in America. Let's hear the facts please. Everyone talks about it, but no one seems to have any evidence. And don't bother with that 73 cents to the dollar nonsense. That has been debunked every way you look at it.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    May 9, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    Lost in DC -- Seriously? Can't women just say no? Um, yeah. But I guess if you take blood pressure pills you could probably say no to that candy bar or bread or whatever, too, and lose a little weight, now couldn't you? It's great how the only medication that some employers refuse to pay for is one that only women take. And women are supposed to just shut up and pay for it themselves because....... Oh yeah, because some people think women should only have sex to reproduce. Otherwise they "get what's coming to them." Yeah, there's no war on women by Republicans. Not at all.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 9, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    The war on women is waged first and foremost by the clerics of the world.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 9, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    The right denying the war on women reminds me of when "I am not a crook" denied escalating the Vietnam War by invading Cambodia and Laos. Many here are probably too young to remember that. The right has a thing for not telling the truth in regards to war. Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, and now women.

    When will it end?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Marxist,
    you are TOO funny!

    An employer not paying for contraceptives IN NO WAY prevents a woman from buying them on her own. Just because my employer does not buy my candy bars (or does not buy candy bar insurance) does not mean I cannot buy candy bars.

    You say women don't have control over their bodies? Can they not say no?

    TOO FUNNY!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 9, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    There is no "War" on women.

    That doesn't mean everything is totally equal or fair... But just because something isn't "fair" doesn't mean there is a war on you.

    Nothing in life is totally equal or fair. And just because something isn't fair doesn't mean there is a war against you.

    Wages are gradually equalizing... we're making progress... that's not a "WAR" on women.

    A few people don't want to be forced to violate their religious covenants... but even in those cases every woman can get contraception. They may have to pay for it, but it's an elective thing, and it's cheap... it's not the end of the world (or a war) if you had to pay for your own elective medications.

    Everything's not fair... but it's not a war. Nobody hates women... especially around Mother's Day.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 9, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    There is definitely a war on women in this world, but not in the U.S. Here women have it better than any woman anywhere else in the world and by a big margin. They have as much opportunity as any men do, are more representated in college these days, and have the benefit of being considered a protected minority class in America. (Which by the way simply means they are not WASP males, who are the only unprotected group left). This war on women is nothing more than an political fiction invented by the Democrats to try to get uninformed or disgruntled women to vote for them. And they'd vote Democrat anyway since the Democrat Party is the party of the half empty glass. If any women in Ameica are upset about their current financial situation, then look no further than the last 6 years of the current administration. It ain't Bushs' fault no more.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    Women face so many difficulties and challenges its hard to know where to being one's remarks.

    First, women must be able to control their own bodies, getting contraceptives through health insurance as a matter of right. A woman's right to control her own body takes precedence over any "religious" right of her employer to deny contraceptives. Abortion must remain safe and legal. Often an abortion is a women's only way out of an abusive relationship. Believe it! More safe houses must be made available to abused women.

    In a marital relationship if one of the parents is designated as the primary children's caregiver, that person, female or male, must be guaranteed rights including health insurance, social security benefits and medicare benefits. They must be protected in their caregiving and made secure through a guaranteed annual income, as per economist James Tobin.

    Mothers (and fathers if they are the main children's caregiver) should form cooperatives to provide child care, and they should be assisted in that by government, churches, and other organizations. There is much to be done to blunt the war on women.