Comments about ‘BYU edges U. as most desired school in Utah’

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Published: Wednesday, May 7 2014 7:40 p.m. MDT

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Girlse State
Midvale, UT

There is nothing wrong with applying to Utah - in fact I'd recommend it to most students in the area. A "fall back" plan is always a good idea in life.

Eliot
Genola, UT

After reading the article I couldn't help thinking about apples and oranges.

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

I don't know that stories like this get us anywhere. UU is a local school with a commission to serve a local populace. BYU is a national caliber school that courts high-end academic students. More and more Utah students will--by necessity, have to chose a Utah school as BYU continues to attract out of state academic talent. "Most desired" is an exceptionally misleading characterization. A story like this only creates more Ute resentment and adds to the ever-thickening wall of separation.

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

An interesting number comes form the Utah ACT State Profile.

The first number below is the number of students reporting at the time of the test their top post-secondary choice. The second number, is the percent of students with an ACT score of 24 or more. Of state schools, Utah State University, has the admirable academic profile using this metric.

BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY 4,143 52%
UTAH STATE UNIVERSITY 3,134 38%
UNIVERSITY OF UTAH 5,198 34%
UTAH VALLEY UNIVERSITY 1,975 28%
WEBER STATE UNIVERSITY 1,901 24%

Socal Coug
San Diego, CA

This is the only time you will see BYU "edge" Utah.
Everything else is a blowout.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

I have attended both the U and BYU, and in my opinion, BYU is not a real university. At a real university like the U, different ideas are welcomed and discussed. At BYU only approved ideas are welcome. This is why BYU does not have advanced degree programs in "controversial" subjects (like English and History!).

EdwardB
Carefree, AZ

I went to both schools. Gotta say BYU was far better in the sciences in which I graduated. At the time I graduated from the UofU a great many students failed the Botany portion of the GRE which was a graduation requirement for biology students. The U of U's solution was to drop the requirement and let them graduate. Might be much different now, but I was so p/o'd at the school that I refused to attend graduation. I would have stayed at BYU, but I was paying my own way..lived two blocks from the U and really had no choice.

YGradFan
CENTERVILLE, UT

Sorry, but these schools are not even comparable, in my opinion. I did my undergraduate work at BYU and my graduate work at the U. Would never go back to school at the U, but would return to BYU in a heartbeat. I am encouraging my kids to go to BYU. But if they don't make it in there, then to Utah State. I told them they are on their own if they go to the U.

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

Dutchman
Murray, UT

"The State of Utah is not a great supporter of its flag ship university."

It does not have to be.....they have their prestigious cash cow PAC-12 athletics to help pay for things.....along with the Eccles and the Huntsmans.

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

CodyCougar
Madison, SD

"A story like this only creates more Ute resentment and adds to the ever-thickening wall of separation."

Disclosure: I attended neither school.

I agree with Cody's comment, and I believe that this fact--a little story increases resentment and separation--exposes a lack of self-esteem/self-worth by those showing their resentment and animosity.

I think this is very odd, given the the proclamations communicating just the opposite by those who think think the U is better than sliced bread. I mean cheer your alma mater on, but drop the juvenile "my dad can whip your dad".

But the Ute fans/alums might also want to temper the assertions about GREAT science. Where I come from "cold fusion" is little more than a dirty word.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Old But Not Stupid, Moorpark, CA

Re: "Ute fans/alums might also want to temper the assertions about GREAT science"...

BYU is a great school. I went to both. But your pretense that UofU doesn't have a good reputation on science is silly.

The University of Utah is ranked 47th in the U.S. (of 108 research universities) and 82nd in the world (of over 500 research universities).

The University of Utah received over $309 million in research and student aid funding from external sources and ranks 15th in the nation for significant awards to faculty for research efforts.

I'd put the amount of scientific research coming out of the U up against any University in the State (including BYU).

Both have their advantages and disadvantages...

Jeremy234
SLC, UT

eastcoastcoug: I sure didn't apply to BYU.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Old But Not Stupid,

You mock the cold fusion research done at the U by Pons and Fleishmann but the research goes on despite the big missteps made by the two U researchers at the time. Here is an update from April 16, 2014:

There are at least four contenders in the race to bring a cold-fusion powered heat-producing device to market in the near future. These are the Rossi E-cat project now based in North Carolina under the aegis of a new firm called Industrial Heat; the Brillouin and SRI effort to develop a nuclear reaction boiler out in California; the Defkalion Green Technology’s effort in Vancouver and Greece to market a heat producing device later this year; and finally BlackLight Power’s radically different “hydrino” technology which, if it proves to work at a commercial scale, could trump all the rest.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

The real irony of the cold fusion fiasco is that the folks at the U were so concerned about beating BYU's Stephen Jones to the punch that they overplayed their hand. If they had been focused on their own work instead of on beating someone else, it might have played out differently.

That's what petty rivalries get you.

Socal Coug
San Diego, CA

BYU's strict acceptance requirements are a testament to their quality. Although it likely deters some from even applying, making this statistic even more meaningful. I didn't know BYUI accepted 100%.

RSLfanalways
Why, AZ

Here are the admitted numbers if I did it correctly:

BYU admitted 4,365
UoU admitted 3,165
USU admitted 3,863

I am a little surprised that UoU was at 34% and USU was higher at 44%. Maybe tuition cost is hurting the UoU and this helps USU since it has a lower tuition and living cost.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

The 'sharpest tool in the shed' is a relative term here. Grades are given and produced by the university (BYU) and earned by its' students who are dedicated to the church, and the latter makes up department subject matter as inductively connected. If you're all in and converted to the academic coupling of church and school (doctrinal education), then yes high grades and education seem comparable to something academically defined as the 'sharper school' belief. The problem for many is that they don't see it that way. Comparing BYU to Harvard above sounds nice to those with affection towards BYU, but most find BYU academically very far behind Harvard.

Don't get me wrong, getting into BYU is a very credible accomplishment. BYU students narrow down (specialize) their vision and production. But others look to expand their mind at a university in a greater multitude of ways, or so they might argue, meaning the sharpest tool assessment is again a statement of opinion and relative description rather than fact. Saying otherwise is arrogant. But prideful close minded academics , rather liberal, conservative, religious or secular all think this way. Being truly open and tolerant can be attained as well.

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

Poor ekute is sad again

Utah'95
FPO, AE

BYU's tuition is 36% cheaper for Latter-day Saints from the state of Utah, and 80% cheaper for non-LDS students from outside the state. As a private institution, it can offer more seats to out of state applicants than the University of Utah can.

And that amounts to BYU getting 69 more applications than Utah did?

Wow....

BYU>utah
Provo, UT

Really? We all know that BYU offers a much higher quality education than utah. Must we remind everyone that the one thing BYU and uofu students have in common is that they both applied to BYU. BYU has a national and international reputation for good in the world. utah has a regional reach at best.

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