I like both of them as people and as players. Wish them both the best of luck.
Chuckie especially could be a top 10 quarterback if he stays healthy. Taysom
could also be a top 10 quarterback if his accuracy improves.
25 people on the list, so it is a big list!For Taysom to have a
chance BYU's OL will need to be much better this year!It would
be cool to see someone from Utah win, but both Chuckie and Taysom are currently
so far down the list they aren't even "dark horses".Go
Cougars, Aggies and Utes!
Good luck to Chuckie and the Aggies. They along with Utes bring exposure to
intercollegiate athletics in the state.
Having a QB lead the team in rushing is as much an indictment against coaches as
it would be if the punter led a team in tackles. I hope the BYU coaches how to
figure out a way to make running backs lead the team in rushing. Please BYU
coaches, improve your performance.
Very good QBs. Will be interesting to see if Taysom can continue to improve his
I really like Chuckie Keeton. He is a lot of fun to watch. I believe he is one
of the better quarterbacks I've ever seen play the college game. I hope his
Senior year is a great success!Go Aggies!!
ekuteLayton, UT"Good luck to Chuckie and the Aggies. They
along with Utes bring exposure to intercollegiate athletics in the
state."LOL....your h8tred is duly acknowledged. The only
exposure the Ute football has provided is their break out into the lowest tier
of the PAtheiC-12. "A pig with lipstick is still a pig."
The only time Taysom has done anything noteworthy with his arm is when he's
been playing a nobody.His record against power conference teams is
not very good. He may get revenge on Virginia this year, a team that
didn't beat a single other division 1 team all last year, but its likely
his numbers will be inflated due to the WAC-like schedule byu hasBest home games? Utah state and UNLV.LOL
Old But Not Stupid"A pig with lipstick is still a pig."
Your h8tred is duly acknowledged.The Utah football program is a
truly classy organization that the state of Utah can be very proud of. Kyle
Whittingham is a man deserving the respect of all fair-minded fans. A Utah Man am I!
Chuckie is a senior so this is his last shot. Stay healthy and good luck.
Taysom is a Junior and, though its nice to be mentioned, he is not a serious
threat to the big names on this list. But, this year will determine if he is a
serious contender next year. If the OL improves, a lot, and his passing
improves, a lot, his chances will improve, a lot. More importantly, BYU will
have a chance of winning the games against the power conference schools and its
bowl game. But, without a passing threat, we will lose more big games where the
DL shuts down the RB's and our only offense is 31 QB rushes.
Congrats to both on making this list, they are both really good quarterbacks
with the potential to become great. I doubt either really has much of a chance
at the Heisman this year, but both are deserving to be on a watch list. Good
luck to both this year.On a different note, I find it interesting
that an article about the two best quarterbacks in the state, one from BYU and
one from Utah State, has about half of the comments from Ute fans commenting in
a silly fashion against BYU. It is not surprising, though, since most Ute fans
are BYU haters first and Utah fans second.
Can’t figure out why they left Wilson off the list because we are in a
prestegous conference and Hill and Chuckie aren’t and that’s not
fair for them to leave Wilson off because of that.Go Utes to onward
2013"The only time Taysom has done anything noteworthy with his
arm is when he's been playing a nobody."Yet, Taysom is
included on the 25-man Heisman watch list, while Utah is once again MIA when it
comes to Heisman Trophy candidates.Unfortunately for U, none of
jealous whining or conference affiliation chest beating is going to change the
fact that nobody outside of the crimson bubble cares much about Utah
football.btw, CBS Sports also listed BYU in their Post Spring Top
25... where were U?
Taysom Hill? Say what? I have never heard his name even mentioned on any watch
list. First of all he plays for a mediocare program and second he is a run first
pass second QB who struggles to throw the ball with any degree of acuracy.
I love to watch Chuckie play. We will know if he belongs on this list right out
of the gate when the Ags play Tennessee first and later Wake Forest. I think he
will show us he does belong. And when you add BYU and Boise State to the mix
those are some great opportunities to show his talent. Haven't seen Taysom
play much, just a few brief glimpses, but I hope he does well, except when he
plays the Aggies. I have a feeling Taysom will show he belongs on the list also.
From what I have seen he is an incredible athlete. If the Cougar coaching staff
can now do their job and turn him into an incredible quarterback, that would be
great. Best of luck to the Aggies, the Cougars, and the Utes. Utes have a tough
row to hoe, I hope they move forward instead of backwards this year. I might be
crazy, but I am predicting a 6 and 6 year for the Utes, but it could easily be a
2 and 10 year also.
patriot"I have never heard his name even mentioned on any watch list.
First of all he plays for a mediocare program..."Then U need to
step outside the crimson bubble once in awhile and see the real world.If BYU has been mediocre, then Utah has been downright pathetic during the
Independent/PAC 12 eraBowlsBYU 3Utah 1Winning SeasonsBYU 3Utah 1Overall Record26-13
(67%)18-19 (49%)btw, Taysom Hill's passing has improved
dramatically since his Sophomore season as has his offensive line and BYU's
overall offense. That will become very clear as the 2014 season unfolds, which
is why Taysom is already being included on a pre-season Heisman Trophy watch
list.You can't even blame it on BYU's partnership with
ESPN this time, because the list was compiled by a rival network.
patriot,I see it as a publicity ploy by espn, since their obligated to
broadcast some of byu's games.
@ ekuteWhich side of your mouth you talking out of, in one post you
write that only utah and utah state get exposure.Then you just wrote
ESPN is obligated? Well isn't being on ESPN exposure for BYU? Huh, i'm confused. Please claify.
@ Kralon,The list (linked to in the article) I read had the
contenders in alphabetical order. Do you know of some other list that actually
ranks them? I think calling anybody a "dark horse" or a
"favorite" (with the exception of Jameis Winston, because he won last
year) seems a little premature before FALL CAMP has even begun.
"I see it as a publicity ploy by espn, since their [sic] obligated to
broadcast some of byu's games."The only obligation is the
PAC-12 Network's obligation to broadcast Utah games. No one turns on a
PAC-12 Network game to watch a Utah game. They watch their favorite team play on
the PAC-12 network to beat the "I'm a Utah fan" utes just like I go
to it to watch ASU beat utah when they play in...wherever the utah "football
team" plays it's game. If the ASU vs utah game is broadcasted on
another network, it's because of ASU's success, not because of obscure
little cousin (not even a brother) utah.
Dear Ekute:ESPN is HAPPY to broadcast BYU's games because ESPN
considers BYU to be one of the top three teams in the nation in viewership draw.
That's a fact. BYU draws huge viewership and that's why ESPN has a
contract with them. In addition, BYUtv has state-of-the-art facilities that are
better than ESPN's. It's a great partnership that ESPN is very happy
Russell Spencer"The list (linked to in the article) I read had
the contenders in alphabetical order. Do you know of some other list that
actually ranks them?"Athlon Sports listed their early 2014
Heisman Trophy race Top 25 in this order(Top 15 listed below):The Finalists (in order): Marcus Mariota, QB, OregonBraxton
Miller, QB, Ohio StateBrett Hundley, QB, UCLABryce Petty, QB,
BaylorJameis Winston, QB, Florida StateTodd Gurley, RB, GeorgiaMelvin Gordon, RB, WisconsinNext Tier:T.J. Yeldon, RB,
AlabamaTaylor Kelly, QB, Arizona StateNick Marshall, QB, AuburnJeremy Hill, RB, LSUAmeer Abdullah, RB, NebraskaJeremy Langford,
RB, Michigan StateMike Davis, RB, South CarolinaTaysom Hill, QB, BYU
ekute"I see it as a publicity ploy by ESPN, since their[sic]
obligated to broadcast some of BYU's games."I see your
opinion as a case of bitter disappointment and denial.The list was
published by CBS Sports, but the author of the list is:Chris Huston,
A.K.A. 'The Heisman Pundit', a Heisman voter and the creator and
publisher of Heismanpundit dotcom, a site dedicated to analysis of the Heisman
Trophy and college football. Dubbed "the foremost authority on the
Heisman" by Sports Illustrated, HP is regularly quoted or cited during
football season in newspapers across the country. He is also a regular
contributor on sports talk radio and television.
I love BYU and Taysom Hill, but I think Hill would agree with me when I say that
Hill isn't coming off a successful season. A productive season, perhaps,
but the season, in terms of wins and losses and the bowl result, wasn't all
that successful. I hope this season is much more successful than last!
Both Chuckie and Taysom are very accomplished and skilled quarterbacks. Although
I don't think either will be a serious contender for the Heisman this year,
each is still really fun to watch. If Taysom's passing ability dramatically
improves from last year, not only will BYU win a bunch of games, but Taysom will
build a Mariota type profile that will greatly benefit him going into his senior
season. Go Cougars!
Chris, I thought you told us Jordan Wynn was on the list this year. Or was it
Jon Hays? Maybe it was Travis Wilson. I'm pretty sure you marked something
down for us about the Utah QB stable...none of which are listed anywhere as ones
to watch for anything.
All this banter is for naught. Hill will not win the heisman. BYU schedule is
weak. Enough said.Go UTES. Good Luck Chuckie. Stay
It's amazing what ESPN and winning in a new conference will do for a team
and stellar players. USU and BYU are tops in the state of Utah right now with
exceptional players and a coaching staff that knows how to win. Great to see
those names next to the likes of Yeldon, Winston, and Mariota.
I love hearing PAC-12 Fans (that arent Utah fans) come in and bash the Utes for
the PAC-12 chest beating. Even the PAC-12 Alum think that the Utes don't
belong with them. Taysom and Chuckie are a long shot for the Heisman but the
simple fact that they are on the list says alot. 15 QB's in ALL D1 Football
are on the list and 2 of them are from Utah Schools. That fact alone says alot.
Congrats to both, and heres to a successful season for both QB's!
WookieRegardless of the final outcome, it's fun to be in the
mix to start the season.It's also fun, seeing the consternation
that a simple Heisman Watch List can cause on the hill.Despite all
of the PAC 12 chest beating, the Utes just don't measure up to the other
programs in the state.
With how difficult our schedule is this year, it will be difficult for Taysom to
win the Heisman. I hope he returns for his senior season because he could be a
top 10 NFL pick in 2015.
Not trying to bash anyone on the list at all, but I seriously question the
legitimacy of this website. Just looking at it makes it seem like a blog, and
from what I have read about Chris Huston he made the site for fun and it's
all his opinion. He at least is a Heisman voter though.
Cats:"ESPN considers BYU to be one of the top three teams in the
nation in viewership draw. That's a fact."That doesn't
sound like a "fact". That sounds like you just made that up. Where had
it been reported that the Y draws a Top-3 viewership audience, and why are their
bowl games rated so low for a presumed top-3 team? You're gonna need to
back that one up.
If Taysom stays healthy, the Cougars go undefeated...absolutely
crushing some of the teams on that schedule.He will put up numbers
that have not been seen in years in Provo.Heisman consideration in
any form/forum is and will continue to be well deserved.
hobbes1012003Kaysville, UTI love hearing PAC-12 Fans (that arent
Utah fans) come in and bash the Utes for the PAC-12 chest beating. Even the
PAC-12 Alum think that the Utes don't belong with them.----------Sorry but wishing this does not make it so.You're done.
Naval VetPhiladelphia, PAThat doesn't sound like a
"fact". That sounds like you just made that up. Where had it been
reported that the Y draws a Top-3 viewership audience, and why are their bowl
games rated so low for a presumed top-3 team? You're gonna need to back
that one up.------------You're asking Cats to do
the impossible. Don't expect a reply.
Congratulation to both players for making the list. That is an honor.A couple of the Y fans, as usual make snarky comments, and show their lack of
class.@Samwise - if you really think most Ute fans are more
concerned with the Y you should actually talk to a few fans. Most, literally
would mean more than half; a statement that can't be supported with any
facts or any reasonable logic.@CougarSunDevel - your statement is
just as false. Lots of people turn on a broadcast to see Utah play regardless
of the opponent. An absolute statement that 'no one' does anything
also defies any reasonable logic.Talk about 'commenting in a
silly fashion' ... and notice I was specific to a couple of Y fans and
didn't make outrageous generalizations about all Y fans.
@striker - if BYU and USU are the top teams in the state this year, then at
least one of them should have beat the U head to head last year or brought in a
higher ranked class of recruits. Fair to say that USU and BYU have the best QB
prospects in the state but that doesn't make better than any other TEAM.
Beat some quality teams first as making a watchlist, while nice, means
@Tomahawk RedNorth Salt Lake, UTNo wishing needed, Ask anyone
outside the state of Utah and they will tell you the same thing, Utah doesnt
belong in the PAC. No amount of chest beating or PAC-12 stickers on your car
will change that. There are more PAC-12 signs in SLC than there are UofU signs.
So which are you more proud of? Your University, or your Conference? Food for
Co ute"Lots of people turn on a broadcast to see Utah play
regardless of the opponent. An absolute statement that 'no one' does
anything also defies any reasonable logic."Attacking the
exaggeration instead. Nice smoke and mirrors to deflect the abysmal viewership
and attendance at utah games. "CougarSunDevel"All you would have had to do is copy and paste to get this right. Perhaps
another reason why utes don't belong?
Just another poke in the utah eyeball.
Why are either of them on a list? Hill is okay on his best days and Keetons
career sitting on the bench speaks for itself. Not a fan of either team, not a
Ute fan just throwing an opinion out there that neither of them has/will live up
to the hype. Especially if your name is Chuckie Keeton. Did you seem him last
year? If you say yes then you might have been seeing things.
@Stang08Southern, UTIm not sure I understand your Chuckie
Keeton statement. He was on the bench due to a knee injury he suffered in the
begining half of the season. Not due to any lack of production on his part.
Based on his previous years starting, he most definitely deserves the spotlight,
he is a very good QB that performs well on a very consistent basis. Your comment
just seems ignorant.
Stang08"Why are either of them on a list?"Your
question illustrates a lack of understanding about what it takes to be a Heisman
Trophy candidate. Watch and learn and you'll discover why they're on
The Heisman is considered the MVP of college football meaning the candidates in
this watch list are considered to be, albeit preseason, the most valuable i.e.
the best players, in college football. Coming from a Heisman voter, that should
tell you a lot. Obviously preseason rankings mean nothing until the season
actually begins and it is highly unlikely that either Chuckie or Taysom will win
the heisman but regardless they are at least in the minds of the voters. When is
the last time a ute won the heisman? Nevermind I just remembered it was never.
They have had some great players but the here and now says the better players
are in Logan and Provo. The utes have just as much to prove as BYU and until
they CONSISTANTLY win against big teams, their membership in the PAC 10 means
nothing. Simply stating you are the best means nothing unless you can back it up
with wins. All 3 big teams in utah need to realize this.
Stang08Southern, UT"Why are either of them on a list? Hill
is okay on his best days..."I think we can agree that Texas was
one of his best days, and he was a little bit more than okay that day. And he
has improved from there. If his OL has improved, I think he will have quite a
few "okay" days this year.
What possible purpose do these lists serve except to get people chattering?
We're months away from the first snap. Appearing on a list of absolute
guesses like this only does one thing for you . . paints an even bigger target
on your back. I'm a lifelong Y fan, and I couldn't care less if Hill
made the pre-pre-season Hiesman watch list. Watching him win it would be cool,
but what are the odds of that? 200-1? Just play well, win a bunch of games, and
see what happens. The Heisman's devalued anyway. Why not put
him on the 2015 list too? Too early?It's just an excuse for
fans to do the same tired back and forth again. I actively root for Hill, am
generally indifferent towards Keaton but wish him well, and would actually like
to see Utah get its stuff together and be what its fans seem to think it already
is. Kyle W seems like a good dude, but a few more years of mediocrity and
he'll be gone.Face it -- both teams have hovered somewhere
between "mediocre" and "pretty good" for years now. It's
been an underwhelming run lately.
CougarSunDevil, you do realize that BYU lost to Utah last year right, and ASU
was losing going into the fourth quarter?
Whoever said my comment seems ignorant I have one question, why? He's
played one full year of his career. The other two years of the career he has
gotten injured and sat on the bench. He hasn't shown he's worth
Heisman hype. I've seen Hill play and like I said he's good on his
best day. BYU has had two great QB's in recent years. Hall and Nelson and
that's it. Keeton has shown less then Hill. Hill is an ok QB against in
state schools and Keeton is a fragile QB who can't stay off the turf the
@ CougarSunDevil"If the ASU vs utah game is broadcasted on
another network, it's because of ASU's success, not because of obscure
little cousin (not even a brother) utah."That's hysterical.
ASU has three bowl wins in the past 14 years. THREE. Utah has almost as many
BCS bowl wins over the same time frame. ASU hasn't done anything notable
on the national stage since losing in the Rose Bowl back in 1997. I'm not
sure what success people are tuning in to watch; but it certainly isn't
You guys all realize that BOTH of these teams lost to the U last year right?
@StangNelson, a "great" QB?!? Man, you are really up in the
night. That right there shows the extent of your football knowledge, which is
looking pretty limited. Even most BYU fans won't argue that he was
mediocre at best, especially by BYU's standards. He doesn't belong in
the same sentence as Max Hall. Hill still has a lot to prove as far
as being a QB goes. Right now, he's a one act show until he can
consistently prove that he can throw. 14 INTs is an awful lot no matter how you
slice it. I would guess he does improve on that this year, but it remains to be
seen how much and if it's enough to put him among the BYU greats.Keeton is special. He does it all. So what if he got hurt twice? It
happens, particularly to mobile quarterbacks which there are more and more of
these days. There are plenty of great QBs who have been hurt as bad or worse
and come back to do great things, and he's done more in two full seasons of
playing than most do in three or more.
I really like Chuckie too. Some of you might remember that he was also listed
for Heisman last year until he got hurt. So, he's already have the respect
and publicity that should help. And a win at Tennessee and home with Wake Forest
will really up his chances and get the East Coast press involve too. GO AGGIES
@hobbes1012003"No wishing needed...Food for thought."Hobbes, have you actually asked "anyone" outside the state of
Utah? Or did you just chat with your biased friends who cheer for the same
teams you do?Hobbes, who have you seen/heard "chest
beating"? Literally or figuratively? Where did the incident take place?
Provide one solid example.Hobbes, there are more PAC 12 signs than
there are U of U signs? I don't think so. Not even close. I'd love
to see you try and actually prove that one!And to answer your
question, we Ute fans are actually proud of both! What's so hard to
understand about that? We're not begging you Y fans to proclaim whether
you love your beloved Y or your conference of independence more. So, who's
making all the fuss about conference stickers versus U of U stickers? A
whooooole lotta cougar fans. Food for thought.
co ute,"Beat some quality teams first as making a watchlist, while
nice, means absolutely nothing."So Texas, who was so close to
being Big XII champion, who BYU obliterated, isn't a quality win? BYU IS
beating quality teams AND getting QB's on Heisman watch lists. Too bad you
can't see the obvious. You're wrong about it being
nothing. It means the team is making it so one of their players looks great.
That is exceptional coaching and fantastic team unity. A player can't make
a watch list like that without either of those two elements. Absolutely it
means something...it means people are watching the player and the program to
notice. We have ESPN to thank for getting and keeping BYU in the national
spotlight so BYU's best players can be on such watch lists. I challenge
you to find one team who has a player on this list and tell me how bad their
team is currently.
@striker - you name one quality team that BYU beat very early in the year before
they made a major coaching change and started winning some games. So at this
point the concept of beating quality teams (plural) has not been supported.
Ignored is the fact that Utah beat both the Y and USU last year. Also ignored
is that Utah had a higher ranked recruiting class than any other school from the
state. Great job pontificating your opinion but nothing more.Hill
is a dynamic player that is a huge threat as a runner and may become a
significant threat as a passer. However, that doesn't make a good team
just a potentially good QB.
@CougarSunDevil - very classy of you to make a point about attacking the
exaggeration and then focusing on a typo. A bit of the pot calling the kettle
black wouldn't you say?Regardless, you comment was inaccurate;
I called you on it and you have no defense.Your opinion that the
Utes have abysmal viewership and attendance is simply that, an opinion. Utah
sells out every home game, has good attendance on the road, and has plenty of
viewers. Maybe you forgot that the rating for the Sun Bowl a couple years back
had more than twice the viewership that BYU had in their bowl game. Your
opinions lack any data to support the statement.
Aggie238 you would be saying he's a great QB if he stayed at USU. I'll
admit Hall is the best BYU has had in recent years. Keeton has played 1 full
year and sat on the bench the other two. He's nothing special. You
won't even hear about him past his college days. You'll only hear
about him for three or four games max this year.
@Go Utes! Go Yale!Why yes, I ACTUALLY have spoken to many people
outside the state of Utah, because my world extends beyond the state borders.
Very few football fans think the Utes belong and even fewer have nice things to
say about them. I have a large family and friend base that are Ute fans (I
try to no hold that against them) and just like the good folks on these chat
boards, they spend more time being proud of their Conference than they are of
their University. As the infamous Chris B likes to say, "I love my PAC-12
No doubt about it, Chuckie is the "man" with this Aggie football squad.
He'll set the all-time season and career record for passing and total yards
before he's done at State. A smart football player and
competitor...............but he's not going to get an invite to the
Downtown Athletic club this fall.......too bad but that's more often than
not reality when you play for a midmajor with a "long" history of being
an also-ran in Division I football. You just can't be a real-die-hard Aggie
without a deep hatred for BYU.........it's been that way since cows grazed
the Quad in front of Old Main. With that out of the way, you have to give credit
where it's due and this Taysom Hill kid is the real deal and deserves to be
on the watch list. The kid will beat you with his football smarts, feet, arm and
just plain competitiveness.
If past predictions are any clue as to who will be playing then Chuckie Keeton
is going to have a great senior year and a great NFL career.
As for the debate about what people outside the state of Utah think about UofU
"belonging" in the PAC12, I just asked 4 co-workers here in Indiana who
are moderate college football fans (BIG10 for the most part). Two of them
didn't even know Utah was in a BCS/power conference and the other two, who
were aware of that, said "who cares?"
lixircat,I just did a survey in Tuscaloosa and everybody knows who the
Utah Utes are and most of them think that byu is in a conference with New Mexico
State, Idaho State and Pacific.
@ lixircatI just asked 10 co-workers whether your story was true or
not..... They all said it's not.
It is funny the different glasses fans and haters see through. For
example, you can have a hater that flat out states that Wagner and Turbin will
never be drafted. Then says they will never make the team. Then denies the fact
that they both played and made major contributions to the Seahawks winning a
super bowl. The same type of hater will never be able to appreciate an amazing
player like Keeton because simple because he plays for Utah State. It is really
a sad situation.
I noticed that both posts who doubted me have the code UT underneath their
names. Just asked 5 more. A Ohio State fan, UConn fan, Purdue
fan, N. Illinois fan, and a Michigan State fan. Only the Ohio State fan
knew you were in the PAC-12. The UConn and Purdue guys couldn't name your
mascot. And the N. Illinois guy said, "That's like the NIU basketball
team bragging that we're D1. We know we're bad enough to just stand in
the corner and hope no one notices us."
lixircat,They're all wondering why your so obsessed with Utah and why
your not asking about the Heisman watch list? lol.
This is great. Two of the usual USU fan's want to continue the argument
but won't mention my name. Facts are facts guys. The Seahawks didn't
need Wagner or Turbin to win the Super Bowl and Keeton isn't half the QB
you guys think he is. He can't stay off the bench and isn't worth the
hype. Ironmomo, my predictions about Keeton have always come true. He will get
hurt because that's what he does. Go Big Blue, can you appreciate past
athletes from other Universities? Keeton is not a great player. He isn't
even a good player.
To be perfectly honest, we all know that neither of these guys is going to get a
wiff of the Heisman.
Would that include the predictions you made when Sorensen and Keeton went head
to head two years ago?. I guess Keeton was good enough that day to go 22-25 for
300 plus yards and two touchdowns while Sorensen only managed a 12-31 day for
zero touchdowns and 153 yards. It seems like someone like Keeton, who by himself
produced more offensive yardage than your entire team, would be deserving of a
little more respect.
It never stops. Your D was ready for Sorenson let it go. All that told me was
your D was scared of the man and his talent. He deserves as much
"respect" as you do. Ever heard of a team effort? Keeton is one man
and he isn't good. Keeton had nothing to do with shutting down Brad. It
was two years ago. You avoided my question.
CO Ute"Utah sells out every home game, has good attendance on
the road"I've seen the "attendance" of Utah fans at
ASU games. If you call that good I'd hate to see what bad is.
If Chuckie can just get us a win against Tennessee and BYU, I'll be happy
as a clam! Good luck Chuckie!
BYU maybe, Tennessee no snowballs chance in you know where.
co, you're cute. In response to this "Beat some quality teams first as
making a watchlist, while nice, means absolutely nothing" you say "Also
ignored is that utah had a higher ranked recruiting class than any other school
from the state." Not even relevant to the comment at hand. When you can
bring substantial conversation, then will you be worth of a full reply. Until
then, keep staying off topic to prove your points. Oh, and for
someone who follows BYU sports so closely, you'd know that Texas was #15,
full of 4/5 recruits, with a seasoned coach. BYU exposed them and put their
team in chaos yet they still ended up #2 in their conference. As for other
great wins, there are multiple, even last year. Many ended up near the top of
their conference, all annihilating wins for BYU.Back to the topic of
Van Noy being on the Heisman watch list...
ekute: Utah and USU bring exposure to collegiate football in the state?? Look
at ratings, especially outside the state and see who leads the pack. I
guarantee it's not either one of those two. Also, this watch list was
published by CBSSports.com, it has nothing to do with ESPN. No obligation to
The U and USU bring exposure to the state. byu seeks exposure only for it's
self and the Church. I asked my buddies at work and they said that most people
outside of Utah don't know where byu is.
eky, quit making stuff up. Everyone I've told I attended BYU knows exactly
where it is and I've lived out of Utah for 8 years. It's a highly
respected school outside of Utah. Don't make up stories to pretend
I love Stang0. Almost everyone who is objective admires Keeton for his amazing
athleticism…he is exciting, explosive, and a joy to watch play because at
any moment something amazing may happen. Stang0 almost must want him to be
injured so he won't be able to succeed. What a sad way to view sports.
Here's hoping Chuckie dazzles us this year. I can hardly wait.
Stang08 and others who may not appreciate Keeton's abilities, I suggest you
go to youtube and search for keywords Keeton Heisman . The highlight tape is
amazing, and was put together after his sophomore year. The straight-arm
against an Auburn defender is amazing.
My struggle continues with tinplater. I don't "want" him to be
injured. I just know it's something he does. He isn't a great QB. He
can't stay off the bench long enough to show what skills he may have. I
don't believe he has any because he hasn't shown anything but I
don't want anyone to get injured. More words being put in my mouth. That
"highlight" tape was put together during the only full year he played
and isn't that impressive. He isn't a good QB. No one will hear about
him at the next level. I say that because he hasn't played enough to
impress pro scouts.
Stang0, I don't know what would impress you, but the highlight tape of
Chuckie's efforts is appreciated by many who don't know Keeton. It is
your anti USU bias that clouds your ability to accept reality. You are about
the only person I have encountered who feels Keeton is not an exceptional talent
and QB. Just to be considered two successive years as a Heisman candidate is
enough to document he has talent. Too bad you can't sit back and enjoy
what he does. And we all know he won't win the Heisman, but like being
nominated for a Nobel Prize, being on the list is exceptional recognition; when
you realize there are hundreds of college QB's out there and a player from
a small university in Utah with little national exposure, is chosen, it is even
We've established what I am okay tinplater. The reality is Keeton is sub
par. Look, the point of this is to get peoples hopes up to think their player
who has zero chances of winning it has a shot. Keeton is a novelty act on this
list. What has he done besides sit on the bench? USU is small and has little
national exposure? Wouldn't know that with the endorsement you're
Ok, Stang,If you're so convinced that Keeton is
"sub-par," then please share with us what, exactly, his skills
shortcomings are as a quarterback? Passing accuracy? Arm strength? Football
IQ? Mobility? Speed? Command of the offense? Athleticism? Ability to make
on-field decisions?Please enlighten us. Since we've already
discussed his injuries ad nauseam, and we know your opinion there, you can
dispense with that discussion. Bring something to the table to back up your
assertion that he is sub-par. If he's as bad as you say, you ought to be
able to find something more than a couple of injuries. So
let's hear it. Why, exactly, is Chuckie Keeton a sub-par quarterback? Or is it just that he happens to play for Utah State?
I'll even give you an example:Riley Nelson is a mediocre QB.Pros: Never quits Good scramblerCons:
Poor decision making at times Weak arm Inaccurate passer
Run-first mentality. Doesn't have the patience to let a play develop and
get it to the right playmaker.Pretty simple, right? Note that I
didn't mention his injuries (collapsed lung, 3 fractured vertebrae),
because I don't think it's relevant to his skill as a quarterback.
Rather, I focused on tangible and demonstrable deficiencies in his skill set,
while not being afraid to mention his strengths.Lets see if you can
do the same kind of analysis of Keeton.
I think I saw one of you talking on the news the other day, would I be right
saying that? You made every point Aggie238 so I don't have to. If he was
any good he would play more than 3-4 game a year. He would stay off the injured
reserve list. He has little to no skill. He might have an arm but if it was
accurate USU would be undefeated and he would be playing at the end of the year
but he never does. Anybody but the aggie fan's can see this. Was Nelson
mediocre when he was at USU? Give me an honest answer to that. He wasn't
mediocre until he transferred. And he still beat USU more times than not. We
will never know Keeton's pro's because he can't stay on the field
long enough. Bottom line Keeton's skills are limited because every team he
faces is ready for him.
Stang, you didn't read what I asked very well. You did,
however attempt to make one salient point, which was that "he might have an
arm, but if it was accurate USU would be undefeated and he would be playing at
the end of the year but he never does." [sic] I will rebut that
point. Keeton is actually an exceptionally accurate passer. Last season, he
was ranked 5th in the country in completion percentage (69.4%) including games
against USC, Utah, and BYU (all very good defenses). The previous year, in
which he started every single game USU played, his completion percentage was
67.6%, good enough for 11th in the country. That included games against
Wisconsin, Utah, BYU, #20 LaTech (9-1) and Toledo (9-3). By way of
comparison, your beloved Brad Sorenson's best year was his second year at
SUU, where he averaged 67.8% against FCS competition. His completion percantage
at USU two years ago was a "glittering" 38.7%. Keeton completed 84% of
his passes in that game, missing his receiver only 4 times.
Additionally, your assertion that USU would be undefeated if Keeton was an
accurate passer is both illogical and absurd. Going back 5 years, I
couldn't find a single #1 ranked QB in completion percentage whose team
went undefeated that year. Kellen Moore at Boise State came close, but still
lost to TCU.What else have you got?
Take it easy. You'll never convince me Keeton is a good QB. I read it
perfectly and there are no pros to Keeton. You are agree with me, he isn't
an accurate QB. He was ranked 5th for playing in 3-4 games? So the year he not
surprisingly got injured he was ranked 5th(meaning four players were better than
him) and the year before which is the only year he played a full season he was
ranked 11th(meaning 10 people were better). It just keeps getting easier.
FCS/FBS it makes no difference. It's still college football. Remember the
one year you played Texas State? They came from our old conference. We love
Brad down here because he was great. You love Keeton because he's playing
for your team so what's the point? Brad won, Keeton stayed on the bench.
I said USU would be undefeated because it was what you wanted to hear. USU could
never go undefeated and we all know it.
Now you're being truly ridiculous. 5th and 11th out of ~120 other FBS
players is elite by anyone's definition. Well, anyone who knows anything
about football. And yes, FCS vs. FBS does make a difference, as evidenced by
the fact that FBS teams beat FCS teams 92% of the time. And when FCS teams do
win, it's usually against a weak FBS team like NMSU, Minnesota, or UNLV, to
name a few in recent history. I do remember when we played Texas State...I was
at the game and we mopped the field with them. Brad Sorenson was a great QB,
but his numbers still don't stack up to Keeton's even though he played
against weaker competition. It just goes to show that Keeton is a truly special
quarterback.Now, lets hear some more reasons why Keeton isn't a
"good" QB, now that I've disproven your first attempt.
4 and 10 people were better than him. You aren't the best if 4 and 10
people are ahead of you on the list. Weaker competition? The number 1 team in
the country consistently isn't weak. He isn't special. He's
played one year and been on the bench the rest. Want to talk about weak
competition let's talk about almost every WAC 2.0 team and a team like
Toledo. Anyone can win. You've "disproven" nothing. Keeton is
nothing end of story. The only WAC 2.0 team that's worth anything is Boise
State and maybe Fresno State but the rest of your conference is a huge joke.