My simple mind has an easier time sticking to head to head match ups and recent
history. The Deseret First Duel is an easy way to quantify that. The Utes have
won nearly every head to head contest in nearly every sport for the past 12
months culminating in this baseball win. Discount the value of the Deseret
First Duel all you want, but it documents the fact that the Utes have dominated
BYU the past year. So right now that puts Ute sports on top of BYU no matter
what the Director's Cup standings are or the gazillion years of history.
So we Utes have bragging rights for the time being and can crow as loud as we
want for as long as we want. At least until we lose to BYU at some point in the
future. So pipe down BYU fans and let us have our day.
I thought this was a baseball article.BYU signed a kid from here that will
be on the baseball team next season. His name is Lincoln Clayton, and this guy
plays shortstop like some major league players. He hits and scores runs too.
His team went 26-0 last year and they're headed to the State Tournament in
Boise next week. Lincoln's older brother, Porter, pitches for Oregon and
he is a R.M. Then they have Kohl Hostert from this high school team that signed
with Oregon and Austin Udy with Dixie State. Coach Littlewood is going to like
Cordon,You have your NC, I'm not disputing that. The
discussion was started by BYU fans who want to minimize 2008, so we've been
talking about body of work and strength of schedule. What
powerhouse ranked teams did BYU beat between 1979 - 1983 that helped them build
up such an amazing cachet? I'll give you some help. BYU beat a total of 4
ranked teams in the 16 years leading up to 1984. That's how many ranked
team Utah beat in 2008 alone.
UU"1984 included wins over zero ranked teams..."Air Force(8-4) finished #24 in the final AP poll, technically unranked,
because the 1984 rankings only included the Top 20, but higher in the poll than
Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the final AP
poll.You, like most jealous Utah fans, simply don't understand
the dynamics of winning a national championship. BYU's 1984 National
Championship was as much a product of what BYU accomplished from 1979 to 1983,
as what BYU did in 1984.1979 11-1 #13/#121980 12-1 #12/#121981 11-2 #13/#111982 8-4 unranked1983 11-1 #7/#71984 13-0
#1/#1Total 66-9(88%)BYU ended 1984 on a 24-game winning
streak, with a 66-9 record and SIX Top 12 finishes in the last seven seasons,
including back-to-back Top 7 finishes.That's DOUBLE the number
of Top 12 finishes that the Utes have had in their entire history.Regardless of how you slice it, BYU earned the respect of the national media
and coaches during that seven-year period, and consequently EARNED the Consensus
1984 National Championship.
@ truecoug1 "feel free to mock BYU fans all you want if we go to a bowl
game with a SOS in the 60's"I have not mocked BYU for going
to a bowl game. However, when BYU fans mock Utah for not going to a bowl game
while having a much tougher schedule I will simply help you see the bigger
picture and other side of the coin (SOS).BTW, if you think
BYU's 2014 SOS will end up at #60, you could be way off. Will be
interesting to see where they land but #70-80 wouldn't surprise me.
@ truecoug1 "Utah's "success" during the BCS era was built on
weak SOS. Even in 2008, the year U beat four ranked teams, your SOS was ranked
56 (according to Sagarin).If you think 56 is weak, try 104 (see BYU
@truecoug1 "During the BCS era (1998-2013), BYU's overall average
strength of schedule, according to Sagarin, is 59.5. Utah's is 62.1.That may be true, I have not researched. But from 2008 to 2014
it's not even close, BYU's SOS is much weaker. BTW, I thought you
guys only wanted to use the Bronco/Kyle era, why are we now going back to 1998?
@UU "BYU has built a more consistent program with a better W-L record, but
don't kid yourself they have also played weaker competition year in and
year out."That's actually false. During the BCS era
(1998-2013), BYU's overall average strength of schedule, according to
Sagarin, is 59.5. Utah's is 62.1. And besides, since the Utes
are amazing at beating ranked teams, shouldn't a tough SOS in the PAC 12
not be a problem for U? Kind of weird that U are struggling with it.Look, all trash-talking aside, Utah's "success" during the BCS
era was built on weak SOS. Even in 2008, the year U beat four ranked teams,
your SOS was ranked 56 (according to Sagarin). So feel free to mock BYU fans
all you want if we go to a bowl game with a SOS in the 60's. But just
remember that that's what your program's amazing 6 year
history/tradition was built on.Go Cougars!
@UU "You DO realize that Utah leads 41-6 in the head-to-head department,
right? There is no escaping this... we own you. "U DO realize
that BYU has won 4 of the 7 Deseret Duel championships, right? U also realize
that every year is the same...whoever wins beats their chest about being
amazing, while the losing side shrugs it off as being completely unimportant.
"Likewise, Stanford leads BYU 461 to 265 probably because
Stanford fields more teams than the Y... big deal."You're
right...Stanford has a fencing team, and BYU desn't. Dang...guess
BYU's not at the same level as Stanford. But still, pretty close, and
that's pretty good company to be in.
Rose Bowl call yet,1984 included wins over zero ranked teams and the
marquee win came against 6-6 Michigan or 8-4 Air Force, you pick.While 2008 included wins over 4 ranked teams and included marquee wins over
Alabama who spent the majority of the season at #1, and #7 TCU. Yeah, I agree, beating zero ranked teams is much more impressive.
@TroyTown "we'll remind U that 8 of Utah's 11 regular season
opponents in 2004 didn't even have winning records."BYU's 1984 SOS was 104, Utah's 2004 was 67. Nice try
Rockwell, you also don't see anyone claiming that 1944 is "modern
era" either. Weak comparison.
2ferThe AP National Champion (the poll Utah fans ALWAYS cite) is
still decided in exactly the same way it was in 1936, when the first AP National
Champion was crowned, by simply getting the most votes in the Final AP poll. How is that "dramatically different"???Based on your
"different post season structures" argument, it's laughable the
inconsistency of Utah fans who try to claim a NC for winning the 1944 NCAA
tournament when you consider how many changes that tournament has undergone in
the last 70 years growing from 8 teams to 68 teams.
"1984 IS in the modern era."No it's not. It's not
even close. There have been 4 different post season structures since then and
the game is dramatically different.
uu"So if Utah doesn't go bowling in '14 and BYU fans
start the smack talk, should we remind you that BYU played Savannah State,
Virginia, Cal, UConn, Nevada, Middle Tennessee State and UNLV?"No, we'll remind U that 8 of Utah's 11 regular season opponents in
2004 didn't even have winning records.And, we'll also
remind U how weak Utah's schedule has been for 90% of the seasons the Utes
have gone bowling.btw, isn't California supposed to be a major
football power? Afterall, they're in the PAC 12, which, according to Utah
fans, doesn't have any weak teams - see Colorado.
UU"Then I suppose you would agree that finishing 13-0 with the
#54 SOS (Utah 2008) is better than finishing 13-0 on the #104 SOS (BYU 1984),
right?"Only a delusional Utah fan would try to claim that
finishing #2 AP, #4 Coaches is better than finishing#1 AP, #1
Coaches, and being selected Consensus Major College Football National
Champion!---------Goutes!1984 IS in the
modern era.It's laughable the inconsistent time lines Utah fans
have chosen to adopt to help them sleep at night.Nothing before 2004
counts in football.Nothing after 2005 counts in basketball.As
far as the "BCS" is concerned, the Utes have never finished higher than
#4 in the Coaches poll, the official poll of the BCS.
@truecoug1 "you DO realize that that simply reinforces the fact that Utah
is a small-time school with a small-time sports program, right? Hilarious!You DO realize that Utah leads 41-6 in the head-to-head department,
right? There is no escaping this... we own you. BYU leads Utah in the
Directors Cup simply because they field more athletic teams. Likewise, Stanford
leads BYU 461 to 265 probably because Stanford fields more teams than the Y...
UU"The 2008 Utah team beat 4 teams that finished the year
ranked"Whether it's 3 or 4, it still doesn't change
the fact that Kyle has had one great, perfect storm season... and has been in
steady decline ever since.As far as rankings go, being ranked #1
pre-season isn't the same as being ranked #16 at the end of the regular
season. The ONLY reason Oregon State wasn't ranked after their bowl, is
because BYU beat the Beavers so badly that it dropped them clear out of the
rankings... but just barely.The most glaring hole in your argument
is one that great season doesn't prove much...if that's
all you have. It certainly doesn't prove that the Utes can
consistently beat ranked teams or that they're going to be competitive in
the PAC 12. After three full seasons in the conference, the Utes still
haven't won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record. In fact,
Utah hasn't beaten a PAC with a winning record on the road since the Utes
were in the WAC.
@true coug:"(slow clap) Well done! And of course, U beat
Stanford last year, which everybody knows, since U made t-shirts to celebrate
the occasion."Not a good way to set yourself up, amigo. At
least the U creates shirts celebrating victory and prowess they actually proved
on the field! (see: hokey t shirt campaigns, can I get, "What is BYU"
for 500...!)"Quest for Perfection" (hasn't happened in
the modern era for byu has it now?) FAIL"Don't Stop
Believing" (right before they were dealt a 54-10 white washing on their home
field) FAILNeed we keep going?
truecoug1I never said Kyle was a better coach, I'm helping
Uteanymous see the other side of the Bronco/Kyle coin. BYU has
built a more consistent program with a better W-L record, but don't kid
yourself they have also played weaker competition year in and year out. And
they have great difficulty beating ranked teams. Utah, on the other hand, has
been more up and down which in part is driven by a more difficult schedule but
also have some really stellar performances over highly ranked opponents. The
SOS trend continues in 2014. Expect the Utes to have a top #3 SOS while BYU
will be in the 70s.So if Utah doesn't go bowling in '14
and BYU fans start the smack talk, should we remind you that BYU played Savannah
State, Virginia, Cal, UConn, Nevada, Middle Tennessee State and UNLV?
@Uteanymous "Bronco lost first game of the season, on the road, with a
starting QB who was coming off of season-ending knee surgery, on a puddle-soaked
field, in torrential rain, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter,
which limited "half-time" to 5 minutes"While Virginia
was playing their 10th game of the season in the sunshine on a dry field with a
5th year senior at QB who was a Heisman candidate. There was no lightening
delay for Virginia who also enjoyed a 3 hour halftime dining at Chuck-o-Rama.
@Uteanymous "Utah beating Stanford is negated by Utah losing to
WSU"BYU beating Utah is negated by BYU losing to Virginia. Oh
wait, BYU lost to Utah.
@ Uteanymous "Bronco finished 8-5 with the 38th-ranked schedule in 2013.
Kyle finished 5-7 with the 41st-ranked schedule in 2012.Then I
suppose you would agree that finishing 13-0 with the #54 SOS (Utah 2008) is
better than finishing 13-0 on the #104 SOS (BYU 1984), right?
@UU(slow clap) Well done! And of course, U beat Stanford last
year, which everybody knows, since U made t-shirts to celebrate the occasion."We got it done". It must be nice to know the the Utes whole
purpose in joining the PAC 12 was to beat Stanford. Takes a lot of the pressure
off of U.In all seriousness, the 2008 Ute football season was
fantastic. U got several lucky breaks and bounces/missed FG's to get
there, which every team who goes undefeated will, capped by a butt-kicking of a
perennial powerhouse in the Sugar Bowl. A great accomplishment. But
Athlon and Sporting News both disagree with U if U think that that and 4 in a
row makes Kyle a better coach than Bronco. Athlon puts Bronco as
the 41st best coach in the country, while K-Whitt checks in at a solid #51.
SportingNews is even worse, ranking Bronco at #25, while dropping KWhitt all the
way to #61.I like K Whitt, but in no way do I think he's a
better coach than Bronco. But to each his own.Go Cougars!
@Uteanymous "Bronco has beaten then #3-ranked Oklahoma in the Dallas Dome,
then #16-ranked Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl, 16th-ranked Utah State, and
then #15-ranked Texas.Where a team begins the season in the rankings
is very different from where they actually finish. Look no further than the #1
ranked 1986 Penn State team that finished 3-7-1. If we do things your way then
you would have to anoint the 2010 #5 ranked Utah team a great ball club when in
reality we all know they weren't.Having said that, I suppose
you already know that the 09 Oklahoma team you reference, the 09 Oregon State
team and '13 Texas team we're not that good. None of them finished
the season ranked in the top 25.
"Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller"Ute-anymous:Wrong! Virginia was last, 0-8 in the ACC last year.
Just so you know.
Uteanymous "Kyle has had one great season, in which he beat 3 ranked
teams" The 2008 Utah team beat 4 teams that finished the year
ranked6 Alabama7 TCU18 Oregon State25 BYUThat's the same number of ranked team BYU beat between 1997 - 2013.
@NavalVet "Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings, but
they're very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more sports teams
than us."Lol, you DO realize that that simply reinforces the
fact that Utah is a small-time school with a small-time sports program, right?
UU"The one thing Kyle has not done is lose to a team who's
only other victory came against the Virginia Military Institute. Bronco wins in
that category hands down."LOL at your myopic blindness:Kyle was SHUT OUT, mid-season, by a 10-loss UNLV team whose only other win
came against 10-loss Utah State.Kyle was also dominated, last game
of the season, in the first half, before losing AT HOME to a 10-loss Colorado
team that hadn't won a road game in four years.Bronco lost
first game of the season, on the road, with a starting QB who was coming off of
season-ending knee surgery, on a puddle-soaked field, in torrential rain, with a
2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, which limited "half-time" to
5 minutes.In the category of really ugly losses, Kyle is the
indisputable winner, er, loser.
UUWhy limit the discussion to just the last dozen years?Limiting the discussion to the Bronco/Kyle era seems appropriate since
they're the current head coaches.Kyle has had one great season,
in which he beat 3 ranked teams, and has done little else before or after
that.Bronco has had three VERY GOOD Top 15, 11+ win seasons, which
is more 11+ win seasons than the Utes have had in their entire history. Bronco has beaten then #3-ranked Oklahoma in the Dallas Dome, then
#16-ranked Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl, 16th-ranked Utah State, and then
#15-ranked Texas.As far as the whiny "soft schedule" excuse
goes:Bronco finished 8-5 with the 38th-ranked schedule in 2013.Kyle finished 5-7 with the 41st-ranked schedule in 2012.Utah fans
seem to struggle with the concept that rankings are based on an entire season,
not just one or two break-through games, ergo, Utah beating Stanford is negated
by Utah losing to WSU.Lifetime AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5Bronco/Kyle era Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2Bottom line:Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in
9 seasons, as Utah has EVER!
@ Uteanymous "Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller -
Wyoming, CSU, UNM, or UNLV. Kyle has lost to all of them" Why
limit the analysis to just the Bronco/Kyle era? Is that the only slice of time
that matters? Why don’t you ever look at the last dozen years?
Notwithstanding, I'll play along. Bronco and the entire BYU football
program has difficulty beating ranked teams. Not Kyle, he's beaten 3 top
10 teams in the last six seasons, Bronco? Kyle beat as many ranked teams in
2008 alone as the entire BYU program has beaten since 1997. Kyle
coached his team to a BCS bowl game, has Bronco done that?Kyle owns
Bronco on the field in the head-to-head match-up (ouch).Bronco has a
better W-L record than Kyle but he's also had a softer schedule especially
from 08 - 14. SOS is something BYU fans don't like to talk about (except
Utah's 2013 non-conference hoops schedule).The one thing Kyle
has not done is lose to a team who's only other victory came against the
Virginia Military Institute. Bronco wins in that category hands down.
UU"What does that say about BYU who is getting owned by Utah on
the grid iron?"It says that the Utes put all of their focus and
effort into beating BYU, while BYU focuses on the entire season.Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller - Wyoming, CSU, UNM, or
UNLV.Kyle has lost to all of them - Wyoming, CSU, UNM, UNLV, Colorado, and
WSU.The overall record speaks for itself.11+ Win, Top 15
SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1
2ferProbably meant to say, "the Utes joined a conference that
excels at Track & Field, yet the Utes don't have even have a men's
track team," which is true.The Utes don't have a men's
cross country team, a men's or women's indoor track team, or a
men's outdoor track team.
pacman,What does that say about BYU who is getting owned by Utah on
the grid iron?Basketball could be the next sport of Utah dominance.
It appears the Utes are poised to return to their former status. After the beat
down at the Huntsman center in '13 Utah continues to add better talent to
it's roster. It does not seem that BYU upgraded their roster at all losing
Mika, Carlino and who knows whether or not Collinsworth will return 100
percent.Just keep visiting Utah articles to attempt to prove
BYU's superiority. It's very entertaining.
navel vet"Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup
standings..."And Utes fans hate it, because the Director Cup
standings continue to prove just how uncompetitive the Utes are on a national
scale. Except women's gymnastics and skiing (which has almost no
competition - only 4 FBS schools have teams), the Utes are rarily competitive
nationally in anything.In football, Utah has FIVE lifetime AP Top 25
finishes. Pathetic, for a program that thinks they're one of the "big
boys" now.In basketball, Utah hasn't won a game in the NCAA
tournament in almost a decade. Laughable, for a program that is supposed to be
one of the all-time Top 25.
"The Utes joined a conference that excels at Track & Field, yet the Utes
doesn't have even have a track. "This is incorrect.
CougdawgsI guess when you get blown out on the filed in the
head-to-head match-up department (41-6), the best diversion tactic is to pint to
the "whatever cup" in which BYU scores more points simply because they
field more athletic teams than the Utes.... and not because the Y actually beat
Utah on the field... because we all know they didn't.
UtesBy5"WCC basketball team games all matter in their quest to
impress the selection committee in taking more than the conference champs to the
big dance."And PAC 12 pre-season games don't? Is that why
the Utes chose to waste 40% of the season playing one of the weakest OOC
schedules in the country.Stop kidding yourself. The NCAA committee
pays just as much attention to the pre-season as they do the conference
season.BYU was selected as an at-large team. The Utes weren't
navelvet"Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup
standings, but they're very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more
sports teams than us."Sounds like a lot of whiny excuse making
to me. Who's fault is that that the Utes choose to fund only 6 men's
teams and a coed team.The Utes joined a conference that excels at
Track & Field, yet the Utes doesn't have even have a track. If you want
to be taken seriously in your new conference, then get with the program and join
the race instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining.
LonestarRunner,There are 82 games in the NBA, far too many to make
each game matter. The real NBA basketball begins in the playoffs. NCAA football independents have 12 games and every game matters. Lose one game
and the playoffs are probably not within reach (with the exception of Notre
Dame). WCC basketball team games all matter in their quest to impress the
selection committee in taking more than the conference champs to the big dance.
Head to head games in college sports are much different than NBA regular season
BYU HBC called out his players for blowing a 9-2 lead...He recruited
the same players he is now publically calling out...Frank Arnold
used the same technique with the basketball program...It didn't
go well for Arnold.It will be interesting to see how this works for
VegasUte"It's funny to me how some people will always grasp
at straws to prove that they are better when they can't prove it
head-to-head."The Miami Heat lost all four regular season games
against the Washington Wizards, yet the dominated the Wizards in their 1st game
of the playoffs 107-86.PROOF, that one or two head-to-head games
proves superiority for an entire season.
BlueCoug:"#29 BYU 444.50...#50 Utah 298.25"Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings, but they're
very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more sports teams than us. So
how does that impact the overall standings? Well let's take a look at a
couple of examples:(Ex. 1) Imagine the Utes and cougs were playing
a Basketball game, only the Utes had 4 more players on the court than the cougs.
Utah fields a full 5-man front, while the Y puts only 1 player on the court at
a time.What would be the probability that Utah would win that
game?(Ex. 2) Imagine the Utes and cougs were playing a Football
game, only the Utes had 4 more players on the gridiron than the cougs. Utah
fields a full 11-man front for Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. The cougars
are only allowed to put 7 players on the field per play.What would
be the probability that Utah would win that game?(Ex. 3) Imagine
the Utes fielding a Baseball game with 9 players on the field playing the cougs
fielding only 5.What would be the probability that Utah would win
CougsndawgsAn annual poor reflection on the U? Thanks for the
update. I wonder why we don't see the Top 25 Governors Cup (I mean
Directors Cup) instead of Football or Basketball? Surely it means much more to
some fans.Cougsndawgs, results on the field seem more important to
me. Four in a row, nine out of 12, 14 out of 21. How's that for reflecting
poorly?BlueCoug, thank you for the facts.
@Cougsndawgs:"I do hate the back and forth, but I let Chris bug
me sometimes and then I follow his childish games..."How many
times have you been warned of Chris? Quit biting, it's the only reason he
posts!It's funny to me how some people will always grasp at
straws to prove that they are better when they can't prove it head-to-head.
byU has never lost a game or had a worse season or played inferior competition
- we hear it every year.Long and short - I would much rather be in
our situation of playing in the Conference of Champions, than being independent
and having to scratch out a bowl invite to a bowl vacated by Conf USA to play
the sixth place team in the AAC. We have something to look forward to every
season. The MOST that byU can hope for is a horrible November schedule, an SOS
hovering above 90, and a bowl game even Conf USA threw away. Win or lose - give
me a top 5 SOS with power houses coming into our house every year. Leave the
90+ SOS and horrible bowl games to NMSU, UNLV, Bowling Green and byU.Go Utes!
UtesBy5:Just because u don't care about the "what's
it's name" Cup doesn't mean others don't. For instance your
PAC12 elite friends from Stanford who are almost always in the top 5.
They'll remind u about it & won't let u forget it so obviously
they care. I think the problem is ute fans like yourself don't want to be
reminded of it because it reflects poorly EVERY year on U.
UtesBy5Since the inception of the Directors Cup, which measures
overall success of each athletic program, BYU has averaged about 30th in the
final standings, Utah has averaged about 60th.Points are awarded
based on each institution's finish in up to 20 sports -- ten women’s
and ten men’s.In the 20 year history of the Directors Cup,
Utah has never finished ahead of BYU. In fact, BYU's worst
finish, 47th, was better than Utah's best finish, 51st.Current
standings, not including Men's Volleyball and Men's and Women's
Track & Field, in which BYU will rack up at least another 100 points to move
into the Top 25:#29 BYU 444.50#50 Utah 298.25
@Cougsndawgs:Thanks for the update in the nail biting
Director's Cup standings. I can tell you follow the whats-it's-name
cup very closely!
Btw UtesBy5:BYU is currently 29th and Utah 50th in the Directors
@ SIBoth teams have some good individual talent. I know Zach Adams,
Mitch Watrous, Nick Green and TJ Bennett are all likely to be drafted. I'm
sure BYU has a few guys who will be drafted this next year as well. But the
teams are both mediocre. It's hard to argue against 14-28 and 18-28.....
Big 12....Tell me the last time u were competing for a Rose Bowl or a Pac
UtesBy5:Haha, good catch. Thank you, I meant Directors Cup...I believe the
Governors Cup is a different rivalry. My fault, thanks for the correction.AZUTE1:Yes, I do hate the back and forth, but I let Chris bug me
sometimes and then I follow his childish games...my apologies. That said, I
really don't think Utah will ever be a great athletics program in the PAC12
and that is not a "baseless accusation". It is based on the elite PAC12
programs already having been established, just as they are established in other
leagues (Do you really think Indiana or Vanderbilt have a chance at winning
their respective conferences?). Utah will never be able to spend as much or
recruit as well as the established elite, which equals .500, sometimes
better/worse seasons. To believe otherwise is a pipe dream which is what I said
to Chris...but hey I give him an A for enthusiasm & optimism...realism=needs
improvement. As for anyone circling Utah on their calendar or speaking to them
as a rival, I have yet to see it...please tell if you are privy to inside info
we all don't have.
LoneStarRunner :DeepBlue hasn't answered but now you've
joined in and commented about how mediocre both these teams are. Again I ask -
how about you tell us all about yourself and just why you feel qualified to call
ANY of these athletes mediocre? Easy to hide behind a keyboard - how about you
show us how well you hit a 90mph fastball? Or maybe just keep your trash-talking
to yourself. Obviously every college athlete can't be the best in their
game - but mediocre? How are you at your job? A world-leader? Or simply
mediocre? Be honest please.
@ Cougsndawgs: "Utah fans still looking at Deseret duel? LolThe rest of the country looks at the Governors Cup. BYU owns Utah in
what counts, end if season rankings."Please tell us more about
this "Governors Cup" that the rest of the country looks at. I for one
don't care about Deseret Duel or the Director's Cup, maybe I will get
interested in the Governor's Cup.
“We send college players out there and they’re not playing college
baseball, so it’s frustrating.”Sigh! Typical BYU
coach-speak when losing to Utah. C'mon coach, just admit it. What you
really meant to say was: "We are better than they are, so they didn't
beat us. We just beat ourselves."
Some of you guys sound like kids on the playground arguing about who's Dad
can beat up whose. Let's just celebrate another great rivalry sports
contest in which the Utes came out on top.
AZUTE1Comparing overall conference strength with individual team
strength is meaningless.Cal State Fullerton won the College World
Series in 2004 and Fresno State won it all in 2008.Those years
should resonate on the hill where a certain MWC team had a bit of success while
playing in a conference that isn't nearly as strong as the PAC 12.The truth is, college baseball is dominated by teams from warm weather states.
Only a handful of teams from cold weather states have ever won the College World
Series. Colorado doesn't even have a baseball team and Utah's team has
always been mediocre.
B12Get over yourself. Except for women's gymnastics, which the
Red Rocks were very good at decades before Utah joined the PAC 12, the Utes have
been nothing but cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC 10.2
cnd--"B12, ie Chris:No one in the PAC12 is your rival
either. No one has Utah circled on their calendar. I also love your pipe dreams,
always provides a good laugh when I need one. Legend in your own mind
much?"This is a base-less accusation and nothing more than
purely wishful-thinking. Here's a comparison--Do U believe ND views byu as
any sort of a threat in Indy-competition in FB? ad holmoe is rightfully alarmed
at this gap ever-widening.As we complete our transition in FB and
continue our lighting-fast re-establishment of our proud/storied BB tradition,
you'll need to find a different story-line. I thought U were one of the
few byu fans who thinks so little of the typical back-and-forth on here. U
typically voice your disgust w/it and rightfully so. It's became
old-and-tired long ago, to say the least!
SIre: DeepBlue: "Really - both teams are mediocre? And you know
this living in Anaheim?"Seriously? Since when is location any
sort of barrier anymore; we don't live in the horse and buggy era, you
know. BYU games are televised on BYUtv and Utah games are televised on the PAC
Net.Fans living in California can watch televised games just as
easily as fans living in Utah.And yes, both teams are extremely
mediocre - the records, alone, are ample proof of that.
my perspective"Conference championships are no longer important
at [BYU]"EPIC failBYU has won far more conference
championships in the last three seasons, than Utah.In 2012-13 BYU
captured the WCC Commissioner's Cup, awarded to the WCC institution
garnering the most success during conference play. In its second year in the
WCC, BYU captures the award by edging the University of San Diego - winners of
the Cup in each of the last five years.Sure, it's not the PAC
12, but it's still better than winning the PAC 12's perennial bottom
feeder award.And in the National Directors Cup standings (which rank
overall accomplishment in all Men's and Women's sports), BYU once
again leads Utah by a huge margin, just like BYU has every year for the last 20
years:29. BYU 444.5050. Utah 298.25The gap will
widen even more when results from Men's Volleyball and Men's and
Women's Track & Field are added.
Utah fans still looking at Deseret duel? LolThe rest of the country
looks at the Governors Cup. BYU owns Utah in what counts, end if season
rankings. B12, ie Chris:No one in the PAC12 is your rival
either. No one has Utah circled on their calendar. I also love your pipe dreams,
always provides a good laugh when I need one. Legend in your own mind much?
It's a non-comparison in baseball-prowess between PAC-12/wcc....Research
the history of each and it's a laughable thought....This is in reference to
those viewing/commenting on each school's conference record to date this
season....The disparity in competition is utterly enormous.
skywalker--"Since both teams are involved in weekend conference
games, when would you suggest they play a weekend series?"I
realize byu most likely just had 10 days off for final exams/graduation, yet we
had an OOC weekend series w/UNR scheduled....This is one possibility.My second proposal would be earlier during the season down here in Phx Metro
when byu had a 4-game series w/KU and we were in a tournament.It
requires very little, in order to make it happen a would be more representative
of reality in a more meaningful/competitive environment.These
mid-week games can range wildly due to needing to reach deep into one's
bullpen w/less seasoned pitchers, resulting in a less accurate representation of
where each school stands, respectively.I immediately think back a
couple of years ago when NMSU whooped eventual NC, Arizona, in a 2-game mid-week
series in Tucson, the disparity w/their weekend-rotation was so great.
One note, and this is not an excuse, but rather a fact, our margin of loss this
year from last against our conference's elite programs is due to an extreme
number of key-injuries....In general, both U/y are inherently disadvantaged in
recruiting/performance due to weather, although in time our
conference-affiliation will enhance our overall talent-level....Even then, The
PAC-12 is overall College Baseball's toughest, which will typically keep us
relegated to the bottom half in the standings....I grew-up on ASU Baseball, so
I'm well-versed in it.We just simply can't compete against
traditional powerhouses such as ASU/Arizona, etc. and not even w/recently
upgraded programs such as OSU/UW and now a recently revived program in UO,
particularly w/their backing of Nike.We do possess a H.C. however,
who's highly-respected w/in coaching-circles....Yet, we're buried in
snow and can't even start playing home games 'til mid-March!
@Rockarolla "This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and
basketball, but that's about it."As UU says the score is
41-6, and there are only 3 points left to be awarded. I get being a BYU fan,
but please look up your information before spouting off and giving the trolls
pretending to be Ute fans more to feed on. Men's basketball and football
only count for 20 points total, so the Utes have earned more than half of their
points in other sports.BYU has won 4 of the 7 Deseret Duels, but
Utah has won the last two (2013 and 2014).
We really need to stop playing byu and usu.We aren't rivals
with them - power conference teams are not rivals with non-power conference
teams.San Diego State may think USC and UCLA are their rivals, but
its a one way rivalry.We've risen up above the WAC schools in
the state and its time to go our separate ways for good.Us to even
better days in the prestigious pac 12, competing for rose bowls and Pac 12
titlesAnd byu and usu who wherever, we don't care, wac titles
DeepBlue :Really - both teams are mediocre? And you know this living
in Anaheim? Why don't you tell us all about yourself and how un-mediocre
@Rockarolla "This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and
basketball, but that's about it."The Utes own a 41-6 edge
in the Deseret Duel. They didn't achieve that by simply winning one
football game and one basketball game.
@ Rockarolla"This year the Utes have the bragging rights in
Football and basketball, but that's about it."So far this
year the Utes have bragging rights in Football, Basketball, Women's
basketball, Gymnastics, Men's Swim & Dive, Women's Swim &
Dive, Women's Tennis, Men's Tennis, AND Women's softball. There
is still one game left in the baseball series, @ Utah on May 13th.BYU won in Women's Volleyball, and Women's Soccer.We're not in the MWC anymore....
perspective,Fail! Epic fail!
RockarollaWest Jordan, UT"And as far as the utes being
superior in the lesser sports, you better think again."Really?
LOL! Conference championships are no longer important at byu-provo. Please try
to keep up. How's that indy / wcc life treating you? Go Utes
and the Pac-12!
DeepBlueAnaheim, CA"What's PAC 12 Utah's excuse
for such mediocrity?"Injuries. Please keep up. That said, I will note that excuses are just that...excuses. The Utes and
their fans will leave the excuses to byu-provo and their fans. That's what
byu-provo is famous for.
I think the Cougars took 2 of three from the Utes this year. But the reality is
that both teams are poor. Just look at their conference records. And as far as
the utes being superior in the lesser sports, you better think again. During
both teams tenure in the MWC, the Cougars won a total of 139 conference
championships and the Utes only 39. And when they were in the WAC conference
the numbers are even more staggering. This year the Utes have the bragging
rights in Football and basketball, but that's about it. The football team
has had a great run against the Cougars, but lately it seems like that it is thy
only team they can get up to play. I would certainly think that one win in
baseball isn't much to shout about but, then again maybe it is!
AZUTE1"When will these two schools schedule a weekend series,
instead, where each has their best pitching available?"Since
both teams are involved in weekend conference games, when would you suggest they
play a weekend series?It can't be done early in the baseball
season. Because of the unpredictability of weather in Utah in late winter/early
spring, you would risk losing the entire series if it snowed that weekend.
Nice job Utes! Cougar fan here, but what a swing! Nice win... hats off to you.
Y hater"It was also great to see us get some big hits, steal
some bases, and run like athletes should. BYU obvioulsy lacks speed in
baseball."You obviously didn't watch the 20-3 beatdown BYU
laid on Utah in the first game of the series.The truth is both teams
are very mediocre.BYU's excuse is they lost half of last
year's team to graduation, injuries, or the pros, and because of the change
in missionary age, the majority of BYU's last three recruiting classes are
now serving missions.What's PAC 12 Utah's excuse for such
Just like Football!Just like basketball!Go UtesContinued domination of lesser programs in the state.I almost wish
we'd stop playing them in any sport.
YH8R,Really? I can understand a good rivalry. But "hating"??
A lot of my best friends and family are Ute fans. Please explain that hate
part...PS - many of the above-mentioned Ute fans in my circle have
kids at the Y. Kind of hard to really hate it. Really.
So, I guess we can say that the better team lost in the first match up??
Lol!Congratulations, Utes...well done Konnor. Well done, indeed!
Sounds just like football...you could be excited for Utah beating BYU in yet
another sport until the last line. Then you realize both teams are just
Nice win Utes! And Congrats to Konnor. He's a great guy.
When will these two schools schedule a weekend series, instead, where each has
their best pitching available? These mid-week games might entertain some fans,
yet they don't pit best against best where it counts most, on the mound!
That was fun to watch...worth being cold. Since I moved to Utah County, the last
Utah game I made it to was Utah Valley. Utah needs to find a new left fielder.
In this game and the Utah Valley game the left fielder was horrible. However,
the outfiled play in general was much better this game than Utah Valley.It was also great to see us get some big hits, steal some bases, and run
like athletes should.BYU obvioulsy lacks speed in baseball just like basketball
and football.Go Utes!