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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 12, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    My simple mind has an easier time sticking to head to head match ups and recent history. The Deseret First Duel is an easy way to quantify that. The Utes have won nearly every head to head contest in nearly every sport for the past 12 months culminating in this baseball win. Discount the value of the Deseret First Duel all you want, but it documents the fact that the Utes have dominated BYU the past year. So right now that puts Ute sports on top of BYU no matter what the Director's Cup standings are or the gazillion years of history. So we Utes have bragging rights for the time being and can crow as loud as we want for as long as we want. At least until we lose to BYU at some point in the future. So pipe down BYU fans and let us have our day.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    May 8, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    I thought this was a baseball article.
    BYU signed a kid from here that will be on the baseball team next season. His name is Lincoln Clayton, and this guy plays shortstop like some major league players. He hits and scores runs too. His team went 26-0 last year and they're headed to the State Tournament in Boise next week. Lincoln's older brother, Porter, pitches for Oregon and he is a R.M. Then they have Kohl Hostert from this high school team that signed with Oregon and Austin Udy with Dixie State. Coach Littlewood is going to like Lincoln Clayton.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    Cordon,

    You have your NC, I'm not disputing that. The discussion was started by BYU fans who want to minimize 2008, so we've been talking about body of work and strength of schedule.

    What powerhouse ranked teams did BYU beat between 1979 - 1983 that helped them build up such an amazing cachet? I'll give you some help. BYU beat a total of 4 ranked teams in the 16 years leading up to 1984. That's how many ranked team Utah beat in 2008 alone.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    May 8, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    UU

    "1984 included wins over zero ranked teams..."

    Air Force(8-4) finished #24 in the final AP poll, technically unranked, because the 1984 rankings only included the Top 20, but higher in the poll than Utah's Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    You, like most jealous Utah fans, simply don't understand the dynamics of winning a national championship. BYU's 1984 National Championship was as much a product of what BYU accomplished from 1979 to 1983, as what BYU did in 1984.

    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4 unranked
    1983 11-1 #7/#7
    1984 13-0 #1/#1
    Total 66-9(88%)

    BYU ended 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, with a 66-9 record and SIX Top 12 finishes in the last seven seasons, including back-to-back Top 7 finishes.

    That's DOUBLE the number of Top 12 finishes that the Utes have had in their entire history.

    Regardless of how you slice it, BYU earned the respect of the national media and coaches during that seven-year period, and consequently EARNED the Consensus 1984 National Championship.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    @ truecoug1 "feel free to mock BYU fans all you want if we go to a bowl game with a SOS in the 60's"

    I have not mocked BYU for going to a bowl game. However, when BYU fans mock Utah for not going to a bowl game while having a much tougher schedule I will simply help you see the bigger picture and other side of the coin (SOS).

    BTW, if you think BYU's 2014 SOS will end up at #60, you could be way off. Will be interesting to see where they land but #70-80 wouldn't surprise me.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    @ truecoug1 "Utah's "success" during the BCS era was built on weak SOS. Even in 2008, the year U beat four ranked teams, your SOS was ranked 56 (according to Sagarin).

    If you think 56 is weak, try 104 (see BYU 1984)

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 6:01 p.m.

    @truecoug1 "During the BCS era (1998-2013), BYU's overall average strength of schedule, according to Sagarin, is 59.5. Utah's is 62.1.

    That may be true, I have not researched. But from 2008 to 2014 it's not even close, BYU's SOS is much weaker. BTW, I thought you guys only wanted to use the Bronco/Kyle era, why are we now going back to 1998?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    @UU "BYU has built a more consistent program with a better W-L record, but don't kid yourself they have also played weaker competition year in and year out."

    That's actually false. During the BCS era (1998-2013), BYU's overall average strength of schedule, according to Sagarin, is 59.5. Utah's is 62.1.

    And besides, since the Utes are amazing at beating ranked teams, shouldn't a tough SOS in the PAC 12 not be a problem for U? Kind of weird that U are struggling with it.

    Look, all trash-talking aside, Utah's "success" during the BCS era was built on weak SOS. Even in 2008, the year U beat four ranked teams, your SOS was ranked 56 (according to Sagarin). So feel free to mock BYU fans all you want if we go to a bowl game with a SOS in the 60's. But just remember that that's what your program's amazing 6 year history/tradition was built on.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    @UU "You DO realize that Utah leads 41-6 in the head-to-head department, right? There is no escaping this... we own you. "

    U DO realize that BYU has won 4 of the 7 Deseret Duel championships, right? U also realize that every year is the same...whoever wins beats their chest about being amazing, while the losing side shrugs it off as being completely unimportant.

    "Likewise, Stanford leads BYU 461 to 265 probably because Stanford fields more teams than the Y... big deal."

    You're right...Stanford has a fencing team, and BYU desn't. Dang...guess BYU's not at the same level as Stanford. But still, pretty close, and that's pretty good company to be in.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Rose Bowl call yet,

    1984 included wins over zero ranked teams and the marquee win came against 6-6 Michigan or 8-4 Air Force, you pick.

    While 2008 included wins over 4 ranked teams and included marquee wins over Alabama who spent the majority of the season at #1, and #7 TCU.

    Yeah, I agree, beating zero ranked teams is much more impressive.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    @TroyTown "we'll remind U that 8 of Utah's 11 regular season opponents in 2004 didn't even have winning records."

    BYU's 1984 SOS was 104, Utah's 2004 was 67. Nice try

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 8, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    Rockwell, you also don't see anyone claiming that 1944 is "modern era" either. Weak comparison.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 8, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    2fer

    The AP National Champion (the poll Utah fans ALWAYS cite) is still decided in exactly the same way it was in 1936, when the first AP National Champion was crowned, by simply getting the most votes in the Final AP poll.

    How is that "dramatically different"???

    Based on your "different post season structures" argument, it's laughable the inconsistency of Utah fans who try to claim a NC for winning the 1944 NCAA tournament when you consider how many changes that tournament has undergone in the last 70 years growing from 8 teams to 68 teams.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    "1984 IS in the modern era."

    No it's not. It's not even close. There have been 4 different post season structures since then and the game is dramatically different.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 8, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    uu

    "So if Utah doesn't go bowling in '14 and BYU fans start the smack talk, should we remind you that BYU played Savannah State, Virginia, Cal, UConn, Nevada, Middle Tennessee State and UNLV?"

    No, we'll remind U that 8 of Utah's 11 regular season opponents in 2004 didn't even have winning records.

    And, we'll also remind U how weak Utah's schedule has been for 90% of the seasons the Utes have gone bowling.

    btw, isn't California supposed to be a major football power? Afterall, they're in the PAC 12, which, according to Utah fans, doesn't have any weak teams - see Colorado.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    UU

    "Then I suppose you would agree that finishing 13-0 with the #54 SOS (Utah 2008) is better than finishing 13-0 on the #104 SOS (BYU 1984), right?"

    Only a delusional Utah fan would try to claim that finishing
    #2 AP, #4 Coaches is better than finishing
    #1 AP, #1 Coaches, and being selected Consensus Major College Football National Champion!

    ---------

    Goutes!

    1984 IS in the modern era.

    It's laughable the inconsistent time lines Utah fans have chosen to adopt to help them sleep at night.

    Nothing before 2004 counts in football.
    Nothing after 2005 counts in basketball.

    As far as the "BCS" is concerned, the Utes have never finished higher than #4 in the Coaches poll, the official poll of the BCS.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    @truecoug1 "you DO realize that that simply reinforces the fact that Utah is a small-time school with a small-time sports program, right? Hilarious!

    You DO realize that Utah leads 41-6 in the head-to-head department, right? There is no escaping this... we own you. BYU leads Utah in the Directors Cup simply because they field more athletic teams. Likewise, Stanford leads BYU 461 to 265 probably because Stanford fields more teams than the Y... big deal.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    UU

    "The 2008 Utah team beat 4 teams that finished the year ranked"

    Whether it's 3 or 4, it still doesn't change the fact that Kyle has had one great, perfect storm season... and has been in steady decline ever since.

    As far as rankings go, being ranked #1 pre-season isn't the same as being ranked #16 at the end of the regular season. The ONLY reason Oregon State wasn't ranked after their bowl, is because BYU beat the Beavers so badly that it dropped them clear out of the rankings... but just barely.

    The most glaring hole in your argument is one that great season doesn't prove much...

    if that's all you have.

    It certainly doesn't prove that the Utes can consistently beat ranked teams or that they're going to be competitive in the PAC 12. After three full seasons in the conference, the Utes still haven't won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record. In fact, Utah hasn't beaten a PAC with a winning record on the road since the Utes were in the WAC.

  • Go Utes! Go Yale! Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    @true coug:

    "(slow clap) Well done! And of course, U beat Stanford last year, which everybody knows, since U made t-shirts to celebrate the occasion."

    Not a good way to set yourself up, amigo. At least the U creates shirts celebrating victory and prowess they actually proved on the field! (see: hokey t shirt campaigns, can I get, "What is BYU" for 500...!)

    "Quest for Perfection" (hasn't happened in the modern era for byu has it now?) FAIL
    "Don't Stop Believing" (right before they were dealt a 54-10 white washing on their home field) FAIL

    Need we keep going?

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    truecoug1

    I never said Kyle was a better coach, I'm helping Uteanymous see the other side of the Bronco/Kyle coin.

    BYU has built a more consistent program with a better W-L record, but don't kid yourself they have also played weaker competition year in and year out. And they have great difficulty beating ranked teams. Utah, on the other hand, has been more up and down which in part is driven by a more difficult schedule but also have some really stellar performances over highly ranked opponents. The SOS trend continues in 2014. Expect the Utes to have a top #3 SOS while BYU will be in the 70s.

    So if Utah doesn't go bowling in '14 and BYU fans start the smack talk, should we remind you that BYU played Savannah State, Virginia, Cal, UConn, Nevada, Middle Tennessee State and UNLV?

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "Bronco lost first game of the season, on the road, with a starting QB who was coming off of season-ending knee surgery, on a puddle-soaked field, in torrential rain, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, which limited "half-time" to 5 minutes"

    While Virginia was playing their 10th game of the season in the sunshine on a dry field with a 5th year senior at QB who was a Heisman candidate. There was no lightening delay for Virginia who also enjoyed a 3 hour halftime dining at Chuck-o-Rama.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "Utah beating Stanford is negated by Utah losing to WSU"

    BYU beating Utah is negated by BYU losing to Virginia. Oh wait, BYU lost to Utah.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous "Bronco finished 8-5 with the 38th-ranked schedule in 2013. Kyle finished 5-7 with the 41st-ranked schedule in 2012.

    Then I suppose you would agree that finishing 13-0 with the #54 SOS (Utah 2008) is better than finishing 13-0 on the #104 SOS (BYU 1984), right?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @UU

    (slow clap) Well done! And of course, U beat Stanford last year, which everybody knows, since U made t-shirts to celebrate the occasion.

    "We got it done". It must be nice to know the the Utes whole purpose in joining the PAC 12 was to beat Stanford. Takes a lot of the pressure off of U.

    In all seriousness, the 2008 Ute football season was fantastic. U got several lucky breaks and bounces/missed FG's to get there, which every team who goes undefeated will, capped by a butt-kicking of a perennial powerhouse in the Sugar Bowl. A great accomplishment.

    But Athlon and Sporting News both disagree with U if U think that that and 4 in a row makes Kyle a better coach than Bronco.

    Athlon puts Bronco as the 41st best coach in the country, while K-Whitt checks in at a solid #51. SportingNews is even worse, ranking Bronco at #25, while dropping KWhitt all the way to #61.

    I like K Whitt, but in no way do I think he's a better coach than Bronco. But to each his own.

    Go Cougars!

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "Bronco has beaten then #3-ranked Oklahoma in the Dallas Dome, then #16-ranked Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl, 16th-ranked Utah State, and then #15-ranked Texas.

    Where a team begins the season in the rankings is very different from where they actually finish. Look no further than the #1 ranked 1986 Penn State team that finished 3-7-1. If we do things your way then you would have to anoint the 2010 #5 ranked Utah team a great ball club when in reality we all know they weren't.

    Having said that, I suppose you already know that the 09 Oklahoma team you reference, the 09 Oregon State team and '13 Texas team we're not that good. None of them finished the season ranked in the top 25.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    "Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller"

    Ute-anymous:

    Wrong! Virginia was last, 0-8 in the ACC last year. Just so you know.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    Uteanymous "Kyle has had one great season, in which he beat 3 ranked teams"

    The 2008 Utah team beat 4 teams that finished the year ranked
    6 Alabama
    7 TCU
    18 Oregon State
    25 BYU

    That's the same number of ranked team BYU beat between 1997 - 2013.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    @NavalVet "Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings, but they're very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more sports teams than us."

    Lol, you DO realize that that simply reinforces the fact that Utah is a small-time school with a small-time sports program, right? Hilarious!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 8, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    UU

    "The one thing Kyle has not done is lose to a team who's only other victory came against the Virginia Military Institute. Bronco wins in that category hands down."

    LOL at your myopic blindness:

    Kyle was SHUT OUT, mid-season, by a 10-loss UNLV team whose only other win came against 10-loss Utah State.

    Kyle was also dominated, last game of the season, in the first half, before losing AT HOME to a 10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

    Bronco lost first game of the season, on the road, with a starting QB who was coming off of season-ending knee surgery, on a puddle-soaked field, in torrential rain, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, which limited "half-time" to 5 minutes.

    In the category of really ugly losses, Kyle is the indisputable winner, er, loser.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 8, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    UU

    Why limit the discussion to just the last dozen years?

    Limiting the discussion to the Bronco/Kyle era seems appropriate since they're the current head coaches.

    Kyle has had one great season, in which he beat 3 ranked teams, and has done little else before or after that.

    Bronco has had three VERY GOOD Top 15, 11+ win seasons, which is more 11+ win seasons than the Utes have had in their entire history.

    Bronco has beaten then #3-ranked Oklahoma in the Dallas Dome, then #16-ranked Oregon State in the Las Vegas Bowl, 16th-ranked Utah State, and then #15-ranked Texas.

    As far as the whiny "soft schedule" excuse goes:

    Bronco finished 8-5 with the 38th-ranked schedule in 2013.
    Kyle finished 5-7 with the 41st-ranked schedule in 2012.

    Utah fans seem to struggle with the concept that rankings are based on an entire season, not just one or two break-through games, ergo, Utah beating Stanford is negated by Utah losing to WSU.

    Lifetime AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Bronco/Kyle era Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Bottom line:

    Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in 9 seasons, as Utah has EVER!

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    @ Uteanymous "Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller - Wyoming, CSU, UNM, or UNLV. Kyle has lost to all of them"

    Why limit the analysis to just the Bronco/Kyle era? Is that the only slice of time that matters? Why don’t you ever look at the last dozen years? Notwithstanding, I'll play along. Bronco and the entire BYU football program has difficulty beating ranked teams. Not Kyle, he's beaten 3 top 10 teams in the last six seasons, Bronco? Kyle beat as many ranked teams in 2008 alone as the entire BYU program has beaten since 1997.

    Kyle coached his team to a BCS bowl game, has Bronco done that?

    Kyle owns Bronco on the field in the head-to-head match-up (ouch).

    Bronco has a better W-L record than Kyle but he's also had a softer schedule especially from 08 - 14. SOS is something BYU fans don't like to talk about (except Utah's 2013 non-conference hoops schedule).

    The one thing Kyle has not done is lose to a team who's only other victory came against the Virginia Military Institute. Bronco wins in that category hands down.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 8, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    UU

    "What does that say about BYU who is getting owned by Utah on the grid iron?"

    It says that the Utes put all of their focus and effort into beating BYU, while BYU focuses on the entire season.

    Bronco has never lost to a conference bottom dweller - Wyoming, CSU, UNM, or UNLV.
    Kyle has lost to all of them - Wyoming, CSU, UNM, UNLV, Colorado, and WSU.

    The overall record speaks for itself.

    11+ Win, Top 15 Seasons
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 8, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    2fer

    Probably meant to say, "the Utes joined a conference that excels at Track & Field, yet the Utes don't have even have a men's track team," which is true.

    The Utes don't have a men's cross country team, a men's or women's indoor track team, or a men's outdoor track team.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    pacman,

    What does that say about BYU who is getting owned by Utah on the grid iron?

    Basketball could be the next sport of Utah dominance. It appears the Utes are poised to return to their former status. After the beat down at the Huntsman center in '13 Utah continues to add better talent to it's roster. It does not seem that BYU upgraded their roster at all losing Mika, Carlino and who knows whether or not Collinsworth will return 100 percent.

    Just keep visiting Utah articles to attempt to prove BYU's superiority. It's very entertaining.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 8, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    navel vet

    "Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings..."

    And Utes fans hate it, because the Director Cup standings continue to prove just how uncompetitive the Utes are on a national scale. Except women's gymnastics and skiing (which has almost no competition - only 4 FBS schools have teams), the Utes are rarily competitive nationally in anything.

    In football, Utah has FIVE lifetime AP Top 25 finishes. Pathetic, for a program that thinks they're one of the "big boys" now.

    In basketball, Utah hasn't won a game in the NCAA tournament in almost a decade. Laughable, for a program that is supposed to be one of the all-time Top 25.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 2:05 a.m.

    "The Utes joined a conference that excels at Track & Field, yet the Utes doesn't have even have a track. "

    This is incorrect.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 7, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    Cougdawgs

    I guess when you get blown out on the filed in the head-to-head match-up department (41-6), the best diversion tactic is to pint to the "whatever cup" in which BYU scores more points simply because they field more athletic teams than the Utes.... and not because the Y actually beat Utah on the field... because we all know they didn't.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 7, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    UtesBy5

    "WCC basketball team games all matter in their quest to impress the selection committee in taking more than the conference champs to the big dance."

    And PAC 12 pre-season games don't? Is that why the Utes chose to waste 40% of the season playing one of the weakest OOC schedules in the country.

    Stop kidding yourself. The NCAA committee pays just as much attention to the pre-season as they do the conference season.

    BYU was selected as an at-large team. The Utes weren't even considered.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings, but they're very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more sports teams than us."

    Sounds like a lot of whiny excuse making to me. Who's fault is that that the Utes choose to fund only 6 men's teams and a coed team.

    The Utes joined a conference that excels at Track & Field, yet the Utes doesn't have even have a track. If you want to be taken seriously in your new conference, then get with the program and join the race instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    May 7, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    LonestarRunner,

    There are 82 games in the NBA, far too many to make each game matter. The real NBA basketball begins in the playoffs.

    NCAA football independents have 12 games and every game matters. Lose one game and the playoffs are probably not within reach (with the exception of Notre Dame). WCC basketball team games all matter in their quest to impress the selection committee in taking more than the conference champs to the big dance. Head to head games in college sports are much different than NBA regular season games.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    May 7, 2014 7:17 p.m.

    BYU HBC called out his players for blowing a 9-2 lead...

    He recruited the same players he is now publically calling out...

    Frank Arnold used the same technique with the basketball program...

    It didn't go well for Arnold.

    It will be interesting to see how this works for Littlewood.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 6:54 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "It's funny to me how some people will always grasp at straws to prove that they are better when they can't prove it head-to-head."

    The Miami Heat lost all four regular season games against the Washington Wizards, yet the dominated the Wizards in their 1st game of the playoffs 107-86.

    PROOF, that one or two head-to-head games proves superiority for an entire season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 7, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    BlueCoug:

    "#29 BYU 444.50...#50 Utah 298.25"

    Cougar fans love to gloat over our Directors Cup standings, but they're very secretive about the fact that they field 4 more sports teams than us. So how does that impact the overall standings? Well let's take a look at a couple of examples:

    (Ex. 1) Imagine the Utes and cougs were playing a Basketball game, only the Utes had 4 more players on the court than the cougs. Utah fields a full 5-man front, while the Y puts only 1 player on the court at a time.

    What would be the probability that Utah would win that game?

    (Ex. 2) Imagine the Utes and cougs were playing a Football game, only the Utes had 4 more players on the gridiron than the cougs. Utah fields a full 11-man front for Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. The cougars are only allowed to put 7 players on the field per play.

    What would be the probability that Utah would win that game?

    (Ex. 3) Imagine the Utes fielding a Baseball game with 9 players on the field playing the cougs fielding only 5.

    What would be the probability that Utah would win that game?

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    May 7, 2014 5:43 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    An annual poor reflection on the U? Thanks for the update. I wonder why we don't see the Top 25 Governors Cup (I mean Directors Cup) instead of Football or Basketball? Surely it means much more to some fans.

    Cougsndawgs, results on the field seem more important to me. Four in a row, nine out of 12, 14 out of 21. How's that for reflecting poorly?

    BlueCoug, thank you for the facts.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 7, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    "I do hate the back and forth, but I let Chris bug me sometimes and then I follow his childish games..."

    How many times have you been warned of Chris? Quit biting, it's the only reason he posts!

    It's funny to me how some people will always grasp at straws to prove that they are better when they can't prove it head-to-head. byU has never lost a game or had a worse season or played inferior competition - we hear it every year.

    Long and short - I would much rather be in our situation of playing in the Conference of Champions, than being independent and having to scratch out a bowl invite to a bowl vacated by Conf USA to play the sixth place team in the AAC. We have something to look forward to every season. The MOST that byU can hope for is a horrible November schedule, an SOS hovering above 90, and a bowl game even Conf USA threw away. Win or lose - give me a top 5 SOS with power houses coming into our house every year. Leave the 90+ SOS and horrible bowl games to NMSU, UNLV, Bowling Green and byU.

    Go Utes!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 7, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    UtesBy5:
    Just because u don't care about the "what's it's name" Cup doesn't mean others don't. For instance your PAC12 elite friends from Stanford who are almost always in the top 5. They'll remind u about it & won't let u forget it so obviously they care. I think the problem is ute fans like yourself don't want to be reminded of it because it reflects poorly EVERY year on U.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 7, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    UtesBy5

    Since the inception of the Directors Cup, which measures overall success of each athletic program, BYU has averaged about 30th in the final standings, Utah has averaged about 60th.

    Points are awarded based on each institution's finish in up to 20 sports -- ten women’s and ten men’s.

    In the 20 year history of the Directors Cup, Utah has never finished ahead of BYU.

    In fact, BYU's worst finish, 47th, was better than Utah's best finish, 51st.

    Current standings, not including Men's Volleyball and Men's and Women's Track & Field, in which BYU will rack up at least another 100 points to move into the Top 25:

    #29 BYU 444.50
    #50 Utah 298.25

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    May 7, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    Thanks for the update in the nail biting Director's Cup standings. I can tell you follow the whats-it's-name cup very closely!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 7, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Btw UtesBy5:
    BYU is currently 29th and Utah 50th in the Directors Cup...nothing new.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    @ SI

    Both teams have some good individual talent. I know Zach Adams, Mitch Watrous, Nick Green and TJ Bennett are all likely to be drafted. I'm sure BYU has a few guys who will be drafted this next year as well. But the teams are both mediocre. It's hard to argue against 14-28 and 18-28.....

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    May 7, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    Big 12....
    Tell me the last time u were competing for a Rose Bowl or a Pac 12 title?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 7, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    UtesBy5:
    Haha, good catch. Thank you, I meant Directors Cup...I believe the Governors Cup is a different rivalry. My fault, thanks for the correction.

    AZUTE1:
    Yes, I do hate the back and forth, but I let Chris bug me sometimes and then I follow his childish games...my apologies. That said, I really don't think Utah will ever be a great athletics program in the PAC12 and that is not a "baseless accusation". It is based on the elite PAC12 programs already having been established, just as they are established in other leagues (Do you really think Indiana or Vanderbilt have a chance at winning their respective conferences?). Utah will never be able to spend as much or recruit as well as the established elite, which equals .500, sometimes better/worse seasons. To believe otherwise is a pipe dream which is what I said to Chris...but hey I give him an A for enthusiasm & optimism...realism=needs improvement. As for anyone circling Utah on their calendar or speaking to them as a rival, I have yet to see it...please tell if you are privy to inside info we all don't have.

  • SI SANDY, UT
    May 7, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    LoneStarRunner :

    DeepBlue hasn't answered but now you've joined in and commented about how mediocre both these teams are. Again I ask - how about you tell us all about yourself and just why you feel qualified to call ANY of these athletes mediocre? Easy to hide behind a keyboard - how about you show us how well you hit a 90mph fastball? Or maybe just keep your trash-talking to yourself. Obviously every college athlete can't be the best in their game - but mediocre? How are you at your job? A world-leader? Or simply mediocre? Be honest please.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    May 7, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs:

    "Utah fans still looking at Deseret duel? Lol

    The rest of the country looks at the Governors Cup. BYU owns Utah in what counts, end if season rankings."

    Please tell us more about this "Governors Cup" that the rest of the country looks at. I for one don't care about Deseret Duel or the Director's Cup, maybe I will get interested in the Governor's Cup.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 7, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    “We send college players out there and they’re not playing college baseball, so it’s frustrating.”

    Sigh! Typical BYU coach-speak when losing to Utah. C'mon coach, just admit it. What you really meant to say was: "We are better than they are, so they didn't beat us. We just beat ourselves."

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 7, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Some of you guys sound like kids on the playground arguing about who's Dad can beat up whose. Let's just celebrate another great rivalry sports contest in which the Utes came out on top.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Comparing overall conference strength with individual team strength is meaningless.

    Cal State Fullerton won the College World Series in 2004 and Fresno State won it all in 2008.

    Those years should resonate on the hill where a certain MWC team had a bit of success while playing in a conference that isn't nearly as strong as the PAC 12.

    The truth is, college baseball is dominated by teams from warm weather states. Only a handful of teams from cold weather states have ever won the College World Series. Colorado doesn't even have a baseball team and Utah's team has always been mediocre.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    B12

    Get over yourself. Except for women's gymnastics, which the Red Rocks were very good at decades before Utah joined the PAC 12, the Utes have been nothing but cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC 10.2

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 7, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    cnd--

    "B12, ie Chris:
    No one in the PAC12 is your rival either. No one has Utah circled on their calendar. I also love your pipe dreams, always provides a good laugh when I need one. Legend in your own mind much?"

    This is a base-less accusation and nothing more than purely wishful-thinking. Here's a comparison--Do U believe ND views byu as any sort of a threat in Indy-competition in FB? ad holmoe is rightfully alarmed at this gap ever-widening.

    As we complete our transition in FB and continue our lighting-fast re-establishment of our proud/storied BB tradition, you'll need to find a different story-line. I thought U were one of the few byu fans who thinks so little of the typical back-and-forth on here. U typically voice your disgust w/it and rightfully so. It's became old-and-tired long ago, to say the least!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    SI

    re: DeepBlue: "Really - both teams are mediocre? And you know this living in Anaheim?"

    Seriously? Since when is location any sort of barrier anymore; we don't live in the horse and buggy era, you know. BYU games are televised on BYUtv and Utah games are televised on the PAC Net.

    Fans living in California can watch televised games just as easily as fans living in Utah.

    And yes, both teams are extremely mediocre - the records, alone, are ample proof of that.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 7, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    my perspective

    "Conference championships are no longer important at [BYU]"

    EPIC fail

    BYU has won far more conference championships in the last three seasons, than Utah.

    In 2012-13 BYU captured the WCC Commissioner's Cup, awarded to the WCC institution garnering the most success during conference play. In its second year in the WCC, BYU captures the award by edging the University of San Diego - winners of the Cup in each of the last five years.

    Sure, it's not the PAC 12, but it's still better than winning the PAC 12's perennial bottom feeder award.

    And in the National Directors Cup standings (which rank overall accomplishment in all Men's and Women's sports), BYU once again leads Utah by a huge margin, just like BYU has every year for the last 20 years:

    29. BYU 444.50
    50. Utah 298.25

    The gap will widen even more when results from Men's Volleyball and Men's and Women's Track & Field are added.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 7, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Utah fans still looking at Deseret duel? Lol

    The rest of the country looks at the Governors Cup. BYU owns Utah in what counts, end if season rankings.

    B12, ie Chris:
    No one in the PAC12 is your rival either. No one has Utah circled on their calendar. I also love your pipe dreams, always provides a good laugh when I need one. Legend in your own mind much?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 7, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    It's a non-comparison in baseball-prowess between PAC-12/wcc....Research the history of each and it's a laughable thought....This is in reference to those viewing/commenting on each school's conference record to date this season....The disparity in competition is utterly enormous.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 7, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    skywalker--

    "Since both teams are involved in weekend conference games, when would you suggest they play a weekend series?"

    I realize byu most likely just had 10 days off for final exams/graduation, yet we had an OOC weekend series w/UNR scheduled....This is one possibility.

    My second proposal would be earlier during the season down here in Phx Metro when byu had a 4-game series w/KU and we were in a tournament.

    It requires very little, in order to make it happen a would be more representative of reality in a more meaningful/competitive environment.

    These mid-week games can range wildly due to needing to reach deep into one's bullpen w/less seasoned pitchers, resulting in a less accurate representation of where each school stands, respectively.

    I immediately think back a couple of years ago when NMSU whooped eventual NC, Arizona, in a 2-game mid-week series in Tucson, the disparity w/their weekend-rotation was so great.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 7, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    One note, and this is not an excuse, but rather a fact, our margin of loss this year from last against our conference's elite programs is due to an extreme number of key-injuries....In general, both U/y are inherently disadvantaged in recruiting/performance due to weather, although in time our conference-affiliation will enhance our overall talent-level....Even then, The PAC-12 is overall College Baseball's toughest, which will typically keep us relegated to the bottom half in the standings....I grew-up on ASU Baseball, so I'm well-versed in it.

    We just simply can't compete against traditional powerhouses such as ASU/Arizona, etc. and not even w/recently upgraded programs such as OSU/UW and now a recently revived program in UO, particularly w/their backing of Nike.

    We do possess a H.C. however, who's highly-respected w/in coaching-circles....Yet, we're buried in snow and can't even start playing home games 'til mid-March!

  • tom2 Jerome, ID
    May 7, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    @Rockarolla "This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and basketball, but that's about it."

    As UU says the score is 41-6, and there are only 3 points left to be awarded. I get being a BYU fan, but please look up your information before spouting off and giving the trolls pretending to be Ute fans more to feed on. Men's basketball and football only count for 20 points total, so the Utes have earned more than half of their points in other sports.

    BYU has won 4 of the 7 Deseret Duels, but Utah has won the last two (2013 and 2014).

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    May 7, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    We really need to stop playing byu and usu.

    We aren't rivals with them - power conference teams are not rivals with non-power conference teams.

    San Diego State may think USC and UCLA are their rivals, but its a one way rivalry.

    We've risen up above the WAC schools in the state and its time to go our separate ways for good.

    Us to even better days in the prestigious pac 12, competing for rose bowls and Pac 12 titles

    And byu and usu who wherever, we don't care, wac titles or something.

  • SI SANDY, UT
    May 7, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    DeepBlue :

    Really - both teams are mediocre? And you know this living in Anaheim? Why don't you tell us all about yourself and how un-mediocre you are.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 7, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    @Rockarolla "This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and basketball, but that's about it."

    The Utes own a 41-6 edge in the Deseret Duel. They didn't achieve that by simply winning one football game and one basketball game.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    @ Rockarolla

    "This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and basketball, but that's about it."

    So far this year the Utes have bragging rights in Football, Basketball, Women's basketball, Gymnastics, Men's Swim & Dive, Women's Swim & Dive, Women's Tennis, Men's Tennis, AND Women's softball. There is still one game left in the baseball series, @ Utah on May 13th.

    BYU won in Women's Volleyball, and Women's Soccer.

    We're not in the MWC anymore....

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    May 7, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    perspective,

    Fail! Epic fail!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Rockarolla
    West Jordan, UT

    "And as far as the utes being superior in the lesser sports, you better think again."

    Really? LOL! Conference championships are no longer important at byu-provo. Please try to keep up. How's that indy / wcc life treating you?

    Go Utes and the Pac-12!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    DeepBlue
    Anaheim, CA

    "What's PAC 12 Utah's excuse for such mediocrity?"

    Injuries. Please keep up.

    That said, I will note that excuses are just that...excuses. The Utes and their fans will leave the excuses to byu-provo and their fans. That's what byu-provo is famous for.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    May 7, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    I think the Cougars took 2 of three from the Utes this year. But the reality is that both teams are poor. Just look at their conference records. And as far as the utes being superior in the lesser sports, you better think again. During both teams tenure in the MWC, the Cougars won a total of 139 conference championships and the Utes only 39. And when they were in the WAC conference the numbers are even more staggering. This year the Utes have the bragging rights in Football and basketball, but that's about it. The football team has had a great run against the Cougars, but lately it seems like that it is thy only team they can get up to play. I would certainly think that one win in baseball isn't much to shout about but, then again maybe it is!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 7, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "When will these two schools schedule a weekend series, instead, where each has their best pitching available?"

    Since both teams are involved in weekend conference games, when would you suggest they play a weekend series?

    It can't be done early in the baseball season. Because of the unpredictability of weather in Utah in late winter/early spring, you would risk losing the entire series if it snowed that weekend.

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    May 7, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    Nice job Utes! Cougar fan here, but what a swing! Nice win... hats off to you.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 7, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    Y hater

    "It was also great to see us get some big hits, steal some bases, and run like athletes should. BYU obvioulsy lacks speed in baseball."

    You obviously didn't watch the 20-3 beatdown BYU laid on Utah in the first game of the series.

    The truth is both teams are very mediocre.

    BYU's excuse is they lost half of last year's team to graduation, injuries, or the pros, and because of the change in missionary age, the majority of BYU's last three recruiting classes are now serving missions.

    What's PAC 12 Utah's excuse for such mediocrity?

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    May 7, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Just like Football!

    Just like basketball!

    Go Utes

    Continued domination of lesser programs in the state.

    I almost wish we'd stop playing them in any sport.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 7, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    YH8R,

    Really? I can understand a good rivalry. But "hating"?? A lot of my best friends and family are Ute fans. Please explain that hate part...

    PS - many of the above-mentioned Ute fans in my circle have kids at the Y. Kind of hard to really hate it. Really.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 6:43 a.m.

    So, I guess we can say that the better team lost in the first match up?? Lol!

    Congratulations, Utes...well done Konnor. Well done, indeed!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 7, 2014 5:45 a.m.

    Sounds just like football...you could be excited for Utah beating BYU in yet another sport until the last line. Then you realize both teams are just mediocre.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 7, 2014 2:33 a.m.

    Nice win Utes! And Congrats to Konnor. He's a great guy.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 6, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    When will these two schools schedule a weekend series, instead, where each has their best pitching available? These mid-week games might entertain some fans, yet they don't pit best against best where it counts most, on the mound!

  • YH8R Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 11:30 p.m.

    That was fun to watch...worth being cold. Since I moved to Utah County, the last Utah game I made it to was Utah Valley. Utah needs to find a new left fielder. In this game and the Utah Valley game the left fielder was horrible. However, the outfiled play in general was much better this game than Utah Valley.

    It was also great to see us get some big hits, steal some bases, and run like athletes should.BYU obvioulsy lacks speed in baseball just like basketball and football.

    Go Utes!