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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 8, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Our Anti-Conservatives keep jabbing people who are over 65 and accept social security (IF you are of the wrong Party).

    IMO Social Security is different than the "government dole". For one... Social Security isn't taking somebody else's money. It's getting your own money back (In theory).

    The SS theory is... you pay into your Social Security account your whole working life... so you can take that money back out when you retire. That's hardly living on the government dole... it's living on the money the government forced you to save while you were working... so they wouldn't have to support you when you retire.

    IMO it's not a problem for ANY person to accept their retirement benefits. Not benefits they established in a private pension plan, and not benefits they established by paying into SS their whole working life.

    SS is not "welfare" (IMO).

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    If I get anything back from SS great... if not... that's fine too.

    Since my youth I've saved some of every check in an IRA (just like my contributions to SS)... are you going to snark if I accept that money back when I retire too...?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 8, 2014 6:44 a.m.

    Last bit that I am sure no one will see... but for the record, three of the largest health insurance companies testified to a House Committee, and chastised the committee on publishing false data stating that enrollment numbers were only around 67% of the published numbers - based on the number people actually paying for their premiums.

    The insures stated that the real number was between 83 and 90 percent had paid their premium on time... in stark contrast to the claims made by the House GOP.

    What matters here is not that the number is far better than being stated by the GOP, but that the GOP intentionally tried to deceive the American public, the ones they were elected to serve. There is no way one have have a sensible conversation when the parties are more than glad to lie and warp the truth in their quest to influence public opinion.

    And amazingly, FoxNews didn't cover those meetings.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    May 7, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards -- I never expected anything different, believe me. As I said, of all the tea partiers I know (many of whom are over 65) only one has had the conviction of his principles and refused the government dole. No conservative ever thinks the dole is bad when they are the ones getting it.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 7, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    2 Bits.... I hear what you are saying.... but I don't see too many Republicans complaining about the fact that they get social security benefits when they retire - if anything - like Mike Richards, they complain that they might not get theres. Social Security is another one of those evil liberal programs thrust on the nation by socialist democrats, and yet I don't see too many states stepping up to replace the program, and I don't see too many conservatives turning down the checks on the moral ground it is bankrupting their grand children by doing so.

    The future of ACA is a bit a question mark. But the issue of providing solid health care for lower income people isn't going away anytime soon. We are not going back to the wild west, the family doctor, or house calls. Those days are gone. Best we can do is shape the best future we can.... and stop worrying about if it is a republican plan, or a democrat plan... but be more focused on crafting the best plan possible.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 7, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    The worst part (for the economy and for working people that get insurance through their employers) was put off till Obama is out of office.

    What will happen if more people begin to disprove AFTER Obama is out of office.... And Obama isn't there to defend it???

    Will Democrats be faithful and lay down their careers in politics to defend it? Some will. They will turn as a dog tho his vomit.... Others will bail on it IF it looks like supporting it will cost them re-election back home.

    But the problem is... there's not going back (whether most Americans like it or not).

    Going back would be seen as taking some people's insurance away.... and that will never fly (and shouldn't).

    So we are either stuck here... in a system that was intended to not work... or we move forward... to the single-payer system they really wanted in the beginning.

    It's inevitable. The only question is... how painful is the interim going to be for the people who try to cling to private insurance...

    It's intended to bankrupt private insurance. And it will. So what will take it's place?

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    May 7, 2014 5:59 a.m.

    We all knew that Obamacare was in trouble when we "passed it to see what was in it." And after we all found out what was in it, Obama had to change the law nearly forty times by himself to keep the American people from getting angrier.
    The Democrats intentions might have been good but the final results are not but then were the democrats intentions about healthcare or was it about control, you decide.
    As for the debate about social security and Medicare, we paid for it so we will use it. The democrats should have listened all those times when they were told that changes needed to be made but they instead said all is good. Oops!

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 7, 2014 4:29 a.m.

    The Invincible Republican worries not about the healthcare of others for theirs is perfect and that is all that matters. They care not about the insurance premiums because their plan is the best. The care not about employment because they are successful.........Then one day...It all falls apart. They lose their job, insurance and get diagnosed with a disease and then their child is denied coverage for preexisting condition. Now the Invincible Republican is losing his retirement and home because of healthcare cost but he has a plan......The Invincible Republican blames Obama and joins the Tea Party.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 7, 2014 1:58 a.m.

    I'm really looking forward to receiving Social Security and Medicare. Then I'll finally be able to "stick it" to the liberals who have nearly bankrupted my family by taking money that was not theirs and spending it on programs that had nothing to do with Social Security. Had that money been properly managed, as insurance companies are required to do, there would be enough for a real retirement. Instead, if I due the day before receiving that 1st check, the 15% that I had to pay in on all income will be returned to my family in a lump sum payment of $250 to "pay" for my funeral.

    Why do those who know that the government has spent all of the Social Security money think that ObamaCare funds will ever be used for healthcare? Has the leopard changed its spots? Do a little research and see where Obama bragged that he would balance the budget shortly after ObamaCare funds started rolling in. He's already spent over $6,000,000,000,000 more that he has received in tax revenues, now he considers ObamaCare to be general revenue funds.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 6, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    Ah, for our daily dose of anti-ACA propaganda from the DN.... what would life be like without it.

    I actually was up in Boston today participating on an industry panel on the Internet of Things - in particular how IoT will impact health care delivery. Dozens of companies in the industry were represented.

    Not a single one thought ACA was going away anytime in the near future, BTW.

    The one things they all agreed upon was that the side benefit of digitization of medical records will provide for much better health care delivery - something that is promoted in ACA. They commented that older practitioners are struggling with the change to digital, with some even retiring early because of the change. They had differing opinions on cost, but none thought it wouldn't ultimately lead to smarter delivery of health care services.

    It is human nature to resist change. And not all change is good change. But to this crowd, there were some very strong benefits to the new law from a delivery side.

    I now return you to your regular programming of Anti-ACA rhetoric daily delivered to you curtesy of the DN.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    May 6, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    So basically the writer is saying that health care for Americans just isn't worth it. Only the rich deserve health care, huh?

    The next few years are going to be interesting. The working class is headed on a head on collision with those who have waged and are winning class warfare. They've sucked our wealth away. They've bought off our judicial and legislative branches. Now they wish to suck our health care away.

    Will we continue to argue among ourselves as the rich take away our homes and final freedoms too as we are plunged into a gilded age slavery system?

    Or will we finally fight back and win our freedoms and rights back?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    May 6, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    You think tens of millions of dollars spent on misleading and factually inaccurate anti-ACA propaganda had maybe some small effect?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 6, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    Dnews moderator, GOP is an abbreviation for "Grand Old Party." That's why it's in caps.

    I thought repubs didn't trust polls?

    Now they do? Why?

    It's so hard to keep up with the GOP's flip flopping.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    May 6, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    ITS ALL IN HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS. THE INDIVIDUAL PROVISIONS POLL MUCH BETTER.

    Allowing children to stay on parents insurance until they are 26.

    Getting rid of pre exhisting conditions. (which gives freedom to an entrepreneurs to do what they do best)

    Expansion of medicaid

    Subsidies to help those who can't afford to buy insurance.

    Not allowing insurers to charge women more than men for insurance.

    Not allowing insurers to drop you if your healthcare exceeds a dollar amount.

    Allowing insurers to charge more to smokers.

    Establishing a maximum out of pocket expense.

    Encouraging preventive care.

    A "marketplace" where people can shop healthplans by cost and benefits without having to go through "underwriting" with the real fear of rejection or approval only on condition they can charge you 30% more for asthma etc.

    All of you who think the government shouldn't offer subsidies have more than likely been getting subsidies for years in the form of buying your health insurance with pre tax dollars which wasn't available to most in the individual marketplace. You will also likely enjoy subsidized medicaire someday. Have a heart.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    All editorials on this issue suspect for big money influence. Money buys poll results.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 6, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    Every thing we know, and every thing we think we know, we got from somebody else. And in this age of transmission of opinions by electronic means, the things we think are the things we're told to think. And, since the people who own and control the loudest voices are a tiny minority, America's thought process is controlled by a tiny minority.

    Opinion polls do not actually reflect what Americans think and believe, they only measure the effectiveness of the controllers.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 6, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    Its very surprising to me that the populace hasn't risen up AGAINST Obamacare before now. Hopefully they will rectify that situation in 2014.

    People have lost jobs, lost insurance, and/or had their working hours reduced. Wasn't it Obama who said he WANTED people to have jobs?

    Even people who have purchased Obamacare with "subsidies" (free money apparentally)find that they can't afford the premiums, much less the deductibles.

    Repeal Obamacare please. We're dumping billions of dollars into a program that won't work, except to have MORE people unemployed.

    Is that what democrats want?

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    May 6, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards -- Well then I hope you are principled enough that you never ever take Social Security or Medicare. Because unless you die relatively early, if you take it, you're going to get out of it much more than you paid in (particularly Medicare.) I've only known one person who truly followed their principles and refused Medicare. And he and his wife are not in their late 60's, so it will be interesting to see what they do when he is too old to work. Of course now they can get Obamacare, but prior to the ACA they would have been out of luck because the wife has horrible health. It's easy to feel like you're invincible...until you aren't anymore.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    The disapproval of Obamacare has been climbing and will continue to do so as more and more people are made aware of their loss of freedom and more of their money because of it.

    My brother was diagnosed with a life-threatening degenerative disease a little less than 3 years ago. The treatments are prohibitively expensive without the UTAH HIP plan that he was very fortunate to have found shortly after the diagnosis. Until the implementation of Obamacare he was very grateful to ve able to afford that "sub-standard" healthcare plan. Since it's cancellation the alternatives available under Obamacare are drastically more expensive and, consequently, completely UNaffordable. The increased stress he is now experiencing with no insurance is making his condition worse. From his support group he's found he is not alone in having the previous support pulled out **because** of Obamacare!

    Obamacare is a wretched fraud perpetrated, as are almost all socialistic frauds, using duplicitous and dictatorial tactics. It will only be remedied by removing the crooks who put it in place. That will only happen if enough voters wise up. I hope we're seeing that process now.

  • Billy Bob Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 6, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon (2:03 pm),

    That is not all the poll asked. It also asked why they disapprove. Of those that disapprove, the most important reasons cited are:

    1. too much government involvement (most important reason for 42%, a major reason for 80%)
    2. law is too expensive for the country (26% and 76%),
    3. law's requirement that all have health insurance (14% and 58%),
    4. own health care may suffer (12% and 57%).

    Please tell me where in these reasons for disapproving a desire for a single payer system falls. If what you want is a poll that asks "Do you want a single payer healthcare system" the results would be even worse than they are for Obamacare. I guarantee it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 6, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    people like unemployment and high insurance premiums and they also like the fact that they lost their doctor. What's not to like?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 6, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    Would have preferred single payer, so no, I'm not thrilled with the ACA. But, it is a heck of a lot better than nothing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 6, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    It's a baby-step. Get ready for a wild next 10 years...

    Google "The Fix Is In: From ObamaCare Set-Up To Single-Payer Solution" (Forbes Magazine)

    It says... "As a matter of record, President Obama is an avid long-time proponent of single payer system dating back at least to his time as an Illinois Senator"...

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    Google "Harry Reid Says Obamacare Just A First Step Toward Single Payer"...

    He said in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun, “What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever...

    a provision that was explicitly designed as a single-payer advance-scout, the government-run insurance plan usually referred to as the “public option” was removed from the final bill. The Obama administration was never particularly concerned with the public option anyway; it was floated mostly in order to be sacrificed so that President Obama could say he compromised on a big liberal goal".

    So we have about 10 years left before we will be where Progressives have us where they really want us...

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    I am a small business owner, one that would supposedly suffer if we had single-payer. What nonsense. If we had Canadian style medicare, I could offer the same health care as IBM. And all of my competitors would be paying the same as me. A level playing field. Uh, Mike the Supreme Court disagree's with you.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 6, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    Fine. Repubs win.

    Let the rich do whatever they want to this country.

    Take away the health care of millions. Let insurance companies cut people for pre conditions. Heck, get rid of Medicare and Medicaid! Get rid of it all and see the state of the country after all that.

    This is your baby repubs. You built this! Now own it!

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    May 6, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    Thanks to Barry and his conspirators in Congress, there will be a change in the Senate to Republican control. Not that anything will come of it....

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 6, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    If we accept the Constitution, we will automatically reject any "personal welfare" programs or policies from government. When we are so foolish that we would sell freedom to a politician who tells us that some "rich guy" will pay for our health care, we don't deserve freedom. Freedom comes with great responsibilities, one of which us that we will never ever ask others to pay our personal bills.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 6, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    It's a start. We could have, and should have, done better.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    Bear in mind that there is an ongoing well-funded media campaign against the ACA by wealthy ideologues of the right wing. Some of this criticism is getting interesting, attacking the ACA through the left as it were. Some of the campaign accuses the ACA of benefiting insurance companies too much! This comes as no surprise to those of us on the left who wanted more. But the campaign as run by the Kochs is disingenuous.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 6, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    "Americans are still not pleased with the Affordable Care Act"

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    Once again the study is flawed...

    I'M not pleased with the Affordable Car Act.
    It doesn go far enough.
    I want a Single-Payer option.

    Try wording a REAL survey with that in it,
    You'll be surprised by the result.