@killarneyScott (alpine) believes I owe you an apology. Both he and
Marked it down provided the source for you comment that Mr. Hill was identified
as one of 15 to watch for the Heisman this year. So it seems those on cougar
board are not alone. In my defense - as a pre NFL draft activity I
watched the -13 BYU vs Utah football game again. Mr. Hill's stats: 18 of
48 passing with one interception and no touchdowns. Hardly the stats of someone
who would be considered a Heisman candidate the next year. And as I said, after
our game I really didn't follow BYU that closely. Here's
hoping both fan bases enjoy the 2014 season!
UtesBy5You obviously don't understand the argument - it
isn't about comparing BYU and Utah in 2003 and 2004, but about comparing
how BYU did in 2003 and 2004 against tough schedules verses how Utah did with
similarly tough schedules in 2012 and 2013.Utah's SOSs in 2003
and 2004 were over 60, while BYU's were 11th and 15th - BIG Difference,
regardless of the names. In 2004, Utah didn't play a single ranked, regular
season opponent and only three finished with winning records, none with better
than a 7-5 record.Playing Top 15 schedules, BYU finished 2003 and
2004 with nearly as good or better records than Utah did in 2012 and 2013
playing a Top 40 and a Top 5 schedule.
@skywalker "It'a interesting that Utah fans beat their
chests about their success on the field in 2003 and 2004, while completely
ignoring the fact that BYU played MUCH, MUCH tougher 2003 and 2004
schedules."It's also interesting that over 50% of BYU's 2003
and 2004 schedules was EXACTLY the same as Utah's. Utah finished 13-1 in
conference play while BYU finished 7-7 during the two seasons. Against common
opponents, Utah was 11-1 while BYU was 7-5. Head to head Utah was 2-0.I will agree that BYU's out of conference schedule was tougher but not
"MUCH, MUCH tougher". While BYU played Notre Dame, Stanford, USC, Boise
State and Georgia Tech, Utah played Texas A&M, North Carolina, California,
Oregon, Pittsburgh, Arizona and Southern Miss. BYU's non-conference record
was 2-7 while Utah finished 9-1.Utah was 22-2 during Urban
Meyer's two years. BYU was 9-14 during the same period of time. Yes, BYU
played a slightly harder schedule but Utah was a MUCH better team.
@Rockwell: "Steve Young would have been a certain 1st-round
draft pick, probably #1 overall, if he hadn't opted to sign one of the
biggest contracts in football history (up to that time) with the upstart USFL.
If I'm not mistaken, the contract was about $100 million. He just started
receiving $1 million-plus payments on a deferred annuity from that
contract."FYI, Steve Young was the #11 pick in the first round
of the USFL draft. He also settled with the USFL for a $1.4MM buyout on his
deferred annuity. Mike Rosier, the #1 USFL draft pick and Heisman Trophy winner,
would probably been the #1 NFL draft pick as well. I agree that
Young would have been a first rounder if he had played in the NFL.
@ royalbluewhy both Utah and BYU fan bases should be happy. We have
been "given the choice"! On November the 8th Utah fans can see #4
Oregon at RES and on November 22nd BYU fans can see Savannah State.
Given the choice, I'd much rather have a Top 10 team and Bottom 10
schedule, than a Top 10 schedule and Bottom 10 Team.Just sayin'
whoiamEnjoy your SOS trophy. It'a interesting that
Utah fans beat their chests about their success on the field in 2003 and 2004,
while completely ignoring the fact that BYU played MUCH, MUCH tougher 2003 and
2004 schedules.Now that the tables are reversed, Utah fans have
switched modes, from beating their chests about success on the field, to beating
their chests about playing tough opponents.The inconsistency is
laughable.Do a little research and you'll see that's not
@talkinsportsI appreciate your response. As a Utah fan
"on the outside looking in" here is what I saw. Two of the teams you
identified will in fact be playing in a stadium in Utah. Yes, number 4 Oregon
and number 16 USC will be at RES. (Try as I did I could not identify two
playing at LES.) In addition, a Utah team will be playing 7 games against the
listed teams this year. (Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona State, Michigan,
and Oregon State) But wait.... there's more. In 2015, Michigan, UCLA,
Arizona State will be playing games in Utah - at the same time many others will
be away games for a team from Utah. But wait.... there's more. In
2016....As Hot Rod said, 'Ya gotta love it, baby"!!
@ Who am IUnless you consider Athlon Sports a "Cougar
board", you owe killarny an apology, or at least an acknowledgement that you
were just spouting off your own personal biases.My personal opinion
is Taysom Hill is going to have a break-out season that will shock alot of
Who am I sir?Your jealousy is showing.Remind us the last
time a Utah player received a national individual award - Heisman, Doak Walker,
Outland, Sammy Baugh, Davey O'Brien.Hint: A Utah played has
never received such an award.You see, National Championship and
Heisman Trophies are something that BYU has "been there, done that".It's laughable that a fanbase whose team has never received any
such post-season accolades would be mocking a fanbase whose team and players
have been recipients of numerous such awards.
Steve Young would have been a certain 1st-round draft pick, probably #1 overall,
if he hadn't opted to sign one of the biggest contracts in football history
(up to that time) with the upstart USFL. If I'm not mistaken, the contract
was about $100 million. He just started receiving $1 million-plus payments on a
deferred annuity from that contract.
It's nice to see BYU getting a little pre-season love from the national
media. It would be even nicer to see BYU live up to some of that pre-season hype
in the coming season.Even with an undefeated season, it's
unlikely that BYU could crack the first major college football playoff, but a
great season in 2014 could be the springboard to an even greater season next
year.It was Steve Young's 1983 one-loss, #7-ranked team that
set the stage for Robbie Bosco's 1984 undefeated National Championship
Who am U"Now that Utah is a member of the PAC-12 I have not kept
up-to-date on BYU."In the immortal words of Westley: "We are
men of action, lies do not become us."I know it's tough
playing second fiddle when U think you're top brass, but here's how
things stack up in the real world: Athlon handicaps the 2014 Heisman
Trophy race with an early Top 25The Finalists (in order): Marcus Mariota, QB, OregonBraxton Miller, QB, Ohio StateBrett
Hundley, QB, UCLABryce Petty, QB, BaylorJameis Winston, QB, Florida
StateTodd Gurley, RB, GeorgiaMelvin Gordon, RB, WisconsinNext Tier:T.J. Yeldon, RB, AlabamaTaylor Kelly, QB, Arizona
StateNick Marshall, QB, AuburnJeremy Hill, RB, LSUAmeer
Abdullah, RB, NebraskaJeremy Langford, RB, Michigan StateMike Davis,
RB, South CarolinaTaysom Hill, QB, BYUA little quick math
shows that Taysom Hill is indeed listed in the Top 15 Heisman candidates.Mind you, CBS Sports and Athlon aren't BYU homers, they're
simply objective observers.
whoami"What a season BYU fans can look forward to at LES this
year."BYU plays three of these teams in 2014, two of them in
LES.CBS Sports Post-spring Top 251. Alabama4.
Oregon10. Stanford12. UCLA16. USC17. Arizona State19. Texas25. BYUJust outside the velvet rope: UCF, Florida,
Houston, Louisville, Marshall, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Northwestern,
Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Oregon State, Penn State, WashingtonOn the
outside looking in: UtahIt must be so exciting being a Utah fan and
being able to plan your bowl week parties without the distraction of actually
having to attend a bowl game.
Who Am IYou are right, and that's why BYU is huge coz our history
defines who we are. It is also our history that most Utes hate about us. We
are BYU. National Champs, MVP in the NFL, Heisman. What history does Utah
have? Oh wait....there isn't one.
@killarney "Taysom Hill is already being touted as one of the
Top 15 players (not just quarterbacks) in the country and might just prove to be
the next great quarterback from the BYU Quarterback Factory"WOW!
I had no idea. Now that Utah is a member of the PAC-12 I have not kept
up-to-date on BYU. If you can refer me to the site on Cougar board where I can
get informed as to who the other 14 players could possibly be and also how
heavily favored BYU is for the 2014 national championship. I have
heard that BYU is loaded next year. In fact, a BYU player is favored to be
first, second, or honorable mention "All-Independent" at every position!
I will try to follow Mr. Hill's progress this year. With
Bronco's proven ability to develop players and with the "BYU
Quarterback Factory" now in full operation (after having
"outsourced" production the past couple of decades) another Heisman is
almost assured.What a season BYU fans can look forward to at LES
whoamiTimes have changed, but after a brief loll, BYU is once again
sending more and more players to the NFL including the #5 pick overall just a
year ago.Taysom Hill is already being touted as one of the Top 15
players (not just quarterbacks) in the country and might just prove to be the
next great quarterback from the BYU Quarterback Factory.
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane! 75% of the players listed were drafted
in the 20 year reign from '71 to '90. Only 6 players listed in the 23
years since that time... And only two listed in the past 11 years. How times