They are both exactly where they deserve to be.
It's too bad that with so few athletes from Utah universities in the pro
leagues that somehow they must be ranked as to their relative success. Sure,
Jimmer finished his 3rd year as a pro sitting on the bench...but on the roster.
Hard for anyone except a deep-in-the-bones cynic to not see Jimmer as a success.
So he didn't have the best year out of this small group. Am I to believe
that at least 2 pro basketball GMs have been fooled so far by his complete
unsuitability for the NBA? Hardly.
We're proud of all 4 of the players for their achievements in college. We
continue to take pride in 3 of the them for their performance in the NBA. Why
not just continue to follow the 3 and let Jimmer ride off in peace?
The backcourt of the Washington Wizards explains both why Andre Miller
wasn't needed much, and also (to some extent) why Jimmer didn't play
at all. Wall and Beal are both really, really good NBA guards, and if the Bulls
coach was crazy enough to put Jimmer out there, either one would abuse him,
scoring 80% of the time, or drawing help defense to provide a wide open
teammate.At the same time, anything the Wizards get out of Andre
Miller is gravy. Even in his late 30s he can be credible on the court and
sometimes actually make a difference.Lillard is just a pleasure to
watch, an elite guard at the game's highest level. The NBA players are so
good it's a completely different game, pretty much like the difference
between NCAA mens and womens basketball.
Re: From Ted's HeadWhat about the three coaches that have not
trusted Jimmer to play quality minutes? Nothing against Jimmer, but there are
so many articles written about him. He is the 12 man on his team and sees very
limited minutes.Lillard hits the biggest shot of the playoffs thus
far and the Utah media doesn't even say anything about it. Lillard was in
more all star events than anyone in history, he won rookie of the year, but Utah
media is obsessed with a guy who barely can make a roster.Write more
articles about Lillard. He may be the best player to ever to come out of a
school from the state of Utah.
Teach me how to Jimmer! 12th man of the year baby!
@ From Ted's HeadHe was a great success in collegeHe is a complete failure as a pro. One might say he is a "bust"
Our friends on the hill are obviously still smarting from the 47-point beat down
that Jimmer gave them in his final appearance in the HC.Nobody has
given more effort nor shown more class under difficult circumstances than
I for one am shocked Jimmer has been a lottery pick bust. I thought
for sure when we freed him from Sacramento he would go on to have a very good
careerI never saw any of this coming.
Well, I called this one didnt I?Told ya byu fans!
Hard for a player to prove his worth when he can't get on the court. Jimmer
a bust? Jimmer needs minutes. Is it because he's white?
Big 12 Call Yet? and2013 Ute Seniors Sweep by U-40Are the same person. One asks the question and the same guy answers back
2 minutes later from the same city. Jimmer is a talent and will have
a career similar to Travis (can't remember his last name) that spent a lot
of productive years in Europe.
IndeMak,Eminem(Travis Hansen) had a very successful career in Russia.
He's taller, more athletic and played defense.
Actually, I would have as much confidence in Jimmer taking that last second
winning shot against Houston as Lillard..... But, that is where any comparison
between Jimmer and Lillard ends. Lillard is destined to have a wonderful and
long NBA career while Jimmer must find a niche with some team in the bottom half
of the Eastern Conference. Classy guy though who still hold his head up and
roots hard for his team mates.
Desperate Utah fans are still trying to invalidate Jimmer's amazing college
career because he's had a less than stellar career in the NBA, so far.If Jimmer's college career is diminished because of his performance
in the NBA, what does that say about Utah's Sugar Bowl hero Brian Johnson
who didn't even make an NFL roster?The truth is, college and
pro careers are two entirely separate entities - you don't have to have one
in order to validate the other.Head-to-head, Jimmer schooled Damian
in college - nothing Damian or Jimmer does in the NBA is going to change that.
Blame the Kings for not giving Jimmer a chance, but sitting in Chicago is all on
Jimmer. He wasn't drafted to Chicago. Nobody made him go to Chicago.
Jimmer chose Chicago. If he moves on to another team, Jimmer should reflect on
how what sounded good versus what really happened. Learn from the sales job.
Otherwise, he'll end up warming another bench.
Jimmer was given minutes when he first arrived with the Bulls. He did a decent
job of scoring, but was then sent back to the bench for the same reason he rode
the bench in Sacramento. Defense!!! or lack of it. In the NBA, defense matters
and if you don't play your share of it, you don't play. The Jazz just
lost a coach due to the lack of defensive identity on his team. Jimmer has
always believed his ability to score with win out, but he has been proven wrong.
He either develops some defensive toughness or he will ride the bench.Lillard is a complete player. Well rounded in every respect of the game at
his position. As is Andre Miller (although his age is catching up with him).
His time will come, hope soon, every time Fredette had a chance to play had
scored, he needs somebody who is willing to give him a chance to prove he belong
in the NBA.
phoenix,No one is suggesting Jimmer's college career is
diminished because of his failure in the NBA. We're mocking the
fact that the best player from byu in 30 years can't even get off the bench
in the NBA.
Whether Jimmer makes a career in the NBA or in Europe, he had a superlative
college career and got a few million dollars as a lottery pick - and he married
a beautiful cheerleader. He has a good life for himself and can be very
satisfied. He is by no means a total failure, unless you consider a corporate VP
a failure solely because he did not make it to president. NBA is the top of the
line here. Not getting there does not make him less of a person.
Osgrath,Even the most obtuse detractors have never criticized his college
career or Jimmer a person. Jimmermania didn't translate to the NBA,
it's time to put it to rest.
SoonerUteI don't understand your criticism of Jimmer going to
Chicago. The Kings had already bought out his contract, so he basically had two
choices. Sit out the rest of the season and look for a new team next season, or
sign a short-term contract for the rest of the season, continue to learn and
grow as an NBA player.Despite not getting alot of playing time in
Chicago, he did gain valuable experience practicing and playing with another NBA
team for the remainder of the season.
Jimmer was a wonderful college player, and he was great in The Lord of the
Rings.That being said, he may not get many more minutes of playing
time in the NBA.I wish him the best, because he seems to be a very
nice young man. But as many have pointed out, his skills don't translate
well to the NBA.
@PhoenixLillard broke his foot and didn't play when Weber State
lost to BYU by six points at the Dee Events Center during Jimmer's senior
year. Other than that Lillard and Jimmer had the same point total when Jimmer
was junior and Lillard was a sophomore, I think it was 18, and Jimmer did get
more points when Jimmer was a sophomore because Lillard only played like 20
minutes as a freshman.Can't make up facts...sorry. Lillard is
by FAR a better player than Jimmer. He can pass and play defense. Hey, it was
cute that Jimmer racked up points and shot five feet past half-court in college,
but you knew it wouldn't cross over to the NBA. Good for
Jimmer on his success, and I hope he does well, but don't throw
non-sensical statements out and think they are truth. Here's another fun
fact--Lillard skipped his senior season at Weber State. If he stayed, he could
have won all type of awards. Jimmer better head-to-head than
Lillard? My head's starting to hurt from reading such nonsense.
Where's the Tylenol?
2013"We're mocking the fact that the best player from BYU
in 30 years can't even get off the bench in the NBA."LOL at
your inconsistency. Should we be mocking the fact the starting QB
and MVP of the greatest win in Utah football history wasn't even good
enough to sit on the bench of an NFL team?That doesn't make
Brian Johnson any less of a person, but if your definition of professional
"failure" is Jimmer, what does that make BJ?
Wildcat"Jimmer did get more points when Jimmer was a sophomore
because Lillard only played like 20 minutes as a freshman."Now
you're just making up whiny excuses. Jimmer's teams
dominated Damian's teams 92-62 in Ogden, 87-70 in Provo, and 72-66 in
Ogden. The only head-to-head meeting decided by less than 10 points, was the
game in which Damian didn't play.Overall, Jimmer was consensus
National Player of the Year in college; remind us what kind of accolades Damian
received.btw, did you know that Weber State has never beaten BYU in
any sport in Provo - football, men's/women's basketball, baseball,
softball, you name the sport - WSU is something like 0-90 lifetime in Provo.
@ Chris B:What is really hilarious is that even with a couple of
Utah players mentioned in this article, all you and other Ute fans can still
write about is Jimmer. He apparently still has your goat and has obviously made
you somewhat paranoid, just as BYU sports in general seems to have done... based
on your ongoing comments. One point of interest... of the stats
mentioned in the article, Jimmer has better stats per minute of playing time
than Miller does. BTW: You actually didn't predict anything
right, Chris. You predicted that Jimmer would be playing in Europe by now, and
he's not. The last laugh is actually on you as Jimmer currently continues
in the NBA and will continue in the immediate future to play in the NBA. And
he's already made more money than you and me put together over our entire
lifetimes. As such, you should probably aim a little lower with your rock
It's really something that even with Ute players in the NBA, almost all
that the Ute fans can write about is Jimmer. Even after several years since he
totally embarrassed the Utes in their game against BYU in SLC, Ute fans are
still obsessed with Jimmer. Love him or hate him, Jimmer enthralls
both his fans and his detractors and still dominates in the comment section like
no other local player. That is truly a tribute!
Love the way Jimmer carries himself.Love the way Jimmer plays when he gets
in the game.Love all the positives.In couple of years when he is
starting and lighting It up I would love to get apologies from all the Utah fans
who are also in love with the Jimmer. As for the rest of the Utah
related players, nicely done..... Especially Lillard.
@truth machineLillard played for the team to win. Jimmer played for
Jimmer. Jimmer got his stats, sure. I would rather be in Lillard's shoes
now. You missed the point about Lillard skipping his senior year...if he
stayed, he could have won all type of awards. Be that as it may, he was still
an All-American as a junior. Drafted higher than Jimmer as a junior, too. If
you want to use Lillard's freshman year, to make you fell better about
Jimmer...go for it!Lillard didn't have as good as talent around
him, so I don't know what point you are trying to make about the team
losses...wow, where is that Tylenol again? Football? Weber State is a
division below them. Breaking News: BYU gets home cooking! Ok great, Weber
State has yet to win at Provo. They still will keep playing there. Hey, I give
BYU credit for coming to Ogden, they suffer a loss now and then, but they are
willing to play. The U lost to in Ogden 80-51 and hasn't played Weber
State since. It's ok to admit Lillard is better.
Fools mock. Enough said!! How comfortable is your arm-chair? How fat is your
five-figure salary compared to Jimmer's seven-figure paycheck. Love to see
folks beat their chest and tear another human being down. It's all about
envy. Jimmer is among the classiest individuals to ever play in the Beehive
State. How many points did any of you drop in any post secondary contest? Do
you have the slightest clue how hard Fredette worked to get where he got?
@ RikitikitaviI think everybody agrees that Jimmer is classy and is
a hard worker. However, I think measuring people by their salary is inherently
flawed. I also don't think anybody is envious. I just think basketball
fans in this state (not just Utah fans) are tired of the hype and news coverage
that is directed towards a player who rides the bench in the NBA. Especially
when there are other local players who are big-time contributors on their
I believe that Lillard will probably be the best player to ever come out of Utah
to play for the NBA. People may debate it but in a few years this kid will be
really good. Jimmer is a good shooter but Lillard would easily beat Jimmer one
There are so many ways to measure "success" that they all seem
ultimately arbitrary in this Lillard vs. Jimmer argument. Just because you are a
fan of one doesn't mean you have to marginalize the other.Jimmer had a more celebrated college career than Lillard, but you could argue
that if Lillard played at a higher profile school, he could have had the same.
But then who knows what Lillard's future would be like if he hadn't
played at Weber State? In numerous interviews, it's obvious that Lillard
cherishes his underdog mentality and the chip on his shoulder that has come from
being overlooked throughout his life. Now he is an All-Star in the NBA.Both are - as far as we know - hard-working, great guys...who are getting NBA
minutes and being compensated for the degree to which NBA executives and coaches
have determined they are worth.(To the comment on Lillard not
getting media coverage: True..but it's understandable when you consider DN
has certain key audiences to reach, and Jimmer fits two minorities: "Mormon
Pro Athlete" and "NBA Player from Utah School." Anyway, Lillard gets
infinitely more national coverage.)
@tator:"One point of interest... of the stats mentioned in the
article, Jimmer has better stats per minute of playing time than Miller
does."The stats mentioned for Andre Miller were from the Bulls
vs. Wizards series while Jimmer's were from the 56 minutes he played for
the Bulls during the regular season. As the article mentioned, Jimmer
didn't play a single second during the playoff series against Miller.Dave Rose allowed Jimmer to lead the nation in shot attempts per game,
it was the perfect system for Jimmer. JC Carroll would have been incredible if
he had played for Rose as would have Lillard. What offensive minded player
wouldn't want to play for Dave Rose?Imagine Jimmer playing for
Majerus. It might have been good for his overall game because he would have
learned to be more defensive minded while still being lights out on offense.
National POY under Majerus? More than likely not.Good luck to all
four players going forward.
Tator,Jimmer score more per minute than Andre Miller?LOL
- as if that proves anything.What if I could find a player that
scored more points per minute in his time in the NBA than Michael Jordan?LOL, see doesn't prove much.Besides, we're still
waiting for your explanation on why you told us byu beat the team in football
this year that won the big 12 title and played in a bcs bowl?You
lost credibility on that one.No NBA team wants Jimmer on the
floor.Deal with it
Pujols4mvp"Hard for a player to prove his worth when he
can't get on the court. Jimmer a bust? Jimmer needs minutes. Is it because
he's white?"Did you seriously throw the race card out
there? WOW!Maybe there is a reason he "can't get on the
court" that has nothing to do with his skin color.I wish no ill
will for Jimmer, he has certainly had greater athletic success than I will ever
have, but come on people - it not a shame to admit that maybe he just isn't
NBA material. He has made a lot of money, and maybe he will still find success
in the NBA. But if not, he will certainly have a great career in Europe and
still make lots of money. Nothing shameful about that.