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Published: Sunday, May 4 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Very little truth has ever accompanied Obamacare. It was conceived with lies, half truths and false promises! Obamacare is a mass deception and will ever be so!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Matt Sissel, the Iowa artist and hero of our story, is a fine example of why we need the ACA, and really why we need single payer health care. He has chosen not to have any health insurance, instead investing his resources into his business. Yet, should catastrophic illness come, with potential to wipe him out financially, where will he turn? He will seek to have us bail him out at the emergency room door. The ACA is by no means perfect, and it doesn't go far enough, but it is working and at least is an attempt at a solution. It is these things in spite of all the columns printed here.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

Hutterite:
"He will seek to have us bail him out at the emergency room door."

He would be at the emergency room door either way... and the government would be paying most of the expense either way... so 'what difference does it make?'

"The ACA is by no means perfect, and it doesn't go far enough, but it is working and at least is an attempt at a solution."

It's working alright... as another step of the government's goal of removing more freedom from the American people.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"In October 2009, the House passed a bill that would have modified a tax credit for members of the armed forces and some other federal employees who were first-time home buyers — a bill that had nothing to do with health care. Two months later, the Senate "amended" this bill by obliterating it. The Senate renamed it and completely erased its contents, replacing them with the ACA's contents."

In summary:

" . . .the House passed a bill . . . [and] . . . the Senate "amended" this bill . . ."

Thank you George Will for showing us how the procedure by which the ACA became law is in fact consistent with the Origination Clause in the US Constitution, and that the ACA is therefore completely Constitutional.

Hats off to the public-spirited Democrats in Congress for their hard work on behalf of the American people.

Thank you President Obama for the ACA.

Oh, and thank you George F Will for underscoring the Democratic dedication to good governance in their ceaseless drive to promote the General welfare and secure the blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and our posterity.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Those who ignore law to get what they want are commonly called "criminals". We are either a nation governed by law or we are lawless. The President's duty is to enforce the LAWS of the land. The Supreme Law of the Land is the Constitution. He is the Chief Executive Officer of this nation. If He won't uphold the law, he must be removed from office and replaced with a Chief Executive Officer who will abide by the Supreme Law of the Land.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"In October 2009, the House passed a bill that would have modified a tax credit for members of the armed forces and some other federal employees who were first-time home buyers — a bill that had nothing to do with health care. Two months later, the Senate "amended" this bill by obliterating it. The Senate renamed it and completely erased its contents, replacing them with the ACA's contents."

In summary:

" . . .the House passed a bill . . . [and] . . . the Senate "amended" this bill . . ."
Thank you George Will for showing us how the procedure by which the ACA became law is in fact consistent with the Origination Clause and the US Constitution, and that the ACA is therefore completely Constitutional.

Hats off to the public-spirited Democrats in Congress for their hard work on behalf of the American people.

And thank you George F Will for underscoring the Democratic dedication to good governance in their ceaseless drive to promote the General welfare and secure the blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and our posterity.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey Thid Barker -

"Obamacare is a mass deception . . ."

WRONG.

Obama is the Affordable Care Act, and a boon to America.

Many deceptive, misleading, and outright false words have been said about it by Right Wingers, but nevertheless, it is what is . . . The Law of the Land.

Get used to it.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Hey Gary O. "If you like your current plan you can keep it, period". " My healthcare plan will save the average American family $2500 per year in insurance premiums". These are Obama's and Democrat's lies, not the right wing! Go figure!

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@GaryO

You never answered this point:

"Case law establishes that for a Senate action to qualify as a genuine 'amendment' to a House-passed revenue bill, it must be 'germane to the subject matter of the [House] bill.' The Senate's shell game — gutting and replacing the House bill — created the ACA from scratch. The ACA obviously flunks the germaneness test, without which the House's constitutional power of originating revenue bills would be nullified."

Cheerleaders for Obamacare are caught in a dilemma. If it isn't a revenue bill, it doesn't fit the criteria by which the Supreme Court found it constitutional. If it is a revenue bill, it violates the origination clause.

Here's the gift John Roberts gave us: future mandates of the same nature will also be construed as taxes, and the bill will be required to originate in the legislative house most directly answerable to the people. This is a gift that will keep on giving.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

WTZ: The difference either way? If our artist in question purchased health care insurance, he could conceivably receive health care without a trip to the emergency room at all. On the other hand, if we had a proper single payer system, perhaps he would have been seeking regular medical attention which would have prevented his need to go to the emergency department entirely. Or, at least, he would have been paying into the system that supports the emergency ward since his arrival at adulthood, as would all of his contemporaries nation wide. Their perceived invulnerability aside, our hero and his contemporaries would be supporting users and potential users of the system, including themselves. As a result, it would be robust and functional. And such a system would be designed to deliver health care, not profits. That's the difference.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hi Thid -

Thanks for reaching out.

"If you like your current plan you can keep it, period [as long as it meets the minimum criteria]". " My healthcare plan will save the average American family up to $2500 per year in insurance premiums," which is true.

. . . Glad I could help.

Nate -

"Case law establishes . . . ?" So you say.

What "case law?" Let's see it.

The Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, trumps "case law" every time.

YOUR opinion does not supersede the Constitution.

Get used to it.

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